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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 09:33 PM
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76. Exactly ...

*Linux*, even if we include the desktop manager and X, is still quite small. Most of that 700MB, as you say, is consumed by other software, and most of the time involved in a Linux install involves installing that software.

SuSE, for example, is often cited as a Linux distro that takes forever to install and is huge. Well, yes it is. You get pretty much every damn thing you can get (in its OSS version) with the distro itself (OpenOffice, four or five web browsers, many e-mail clients, dozens of multimedia programs, what is needed for a LAMP server, etc., and you can have it all installed in the beginning.

I would really like someone to compare, honestly, the amount of time installing all this from a Linux distro and on a Windows machine actually takes. I've spent entire days installing software on Windows to make it work the way people want. I can do a Linux install, including getting the non-OSS and proprietary media crap installed, in an afternoon.

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  -Windows 7 Beta now available for download (not for novices) DainBramaged  Jan-10-09 01:40 PM   #0 
  - More BLOATWARE from the same morons that screwed up the last 6.  dkofos   Jan-10-09 01:43 PM   #1 
  - AN assumption without even trying it? How DU of you.  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 02:32 PM   #12 
     - 2.44GB That says it all.  dkofos   Jan-10-09 02:37 PM   #14 
        - Again, I'll reserve judgement till it's installed  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 02:51 PM   #17 
        - Get back to me next week when it's done downloading.  dkofos   Jan-10-09 02:58 PM   #19 
           - Is there anything DU as a whole doesn't hate? Microsoft, Hummers, Olive Garden, Pizza Hut  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 03:01 PM   #20 
           - Puppies  dkofos   Jan-10-09 03:03 PM   #21 
           - .............  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 03:13 PM   #24 
           - Yes but only with a nice Chianti and fava beans  Phred42   Jan-10-09 05:28 PM   #54 
           - There are DUers looking into hating this, I'm sure.  Political Heretic   Jan-11-09 03:37 AM   #93 
           - Kittens. If they have called it Windows Kitten I'd be downloading it right now.  Lochloosa   Jan-10-09 03:10 PM   #22 
           - 2.4gb operating system is "bloatware?"  high density   Jan-10-09 04:43 PM   #39 
           - The 2.2 GB compressed does not contain anything useful  Lithos   Jan-11-09 03:16 AM   #91 
           - Took 20 minutes to download, 20 to install totally...  Rosco T.   Jan-13-09 01:13 AM   #101 
        - Bingo! Two and a half GB of compressed data for an OS?  greyhound1966   Jan-10-09 03:21 PM   #26 
        - Uses 16 GB of disk space  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 03:39 PM   #29 
        - I thought you used Linux?  TheHeathen   Jan-10-09 03:31 PM   #27 
        - I do. So 3GB for Linux is half of the 6GB for Mac OS. and 16GB for Win 7  dkofos   Jan-10-09 04:03 PM   #34 
           - The DVD disc size  TheHeathen   Jan-10-09 04:14 PM   #35 
              - True, but that's ok. Download done, cya's later.  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 04:19 PM   #36 
              - First af all most Linux Distros contain ALL available software for the given  dkofos   Jan-10-09 04:31 PM   #38 
              - Whining about disk space is ridiculous  high density   Jan-10-09 04:46 PM   #40 
              - It's not the norm in my world.  dkofos   Jan-10-09 04:53 PM   #41 
                 - Well, welcome to 2009  high density   Jan-10-09 05:01 PM   #45 
              - Linux works flawlessly?  TheHeathen   Jan-10-09 05:01 PM   #46 
                 - Don't knock it till you try it.  dkofos   Jan-10-09 05:09 PM   #47 
                 - You should change your  TheHeathen   Jan-10-09 05:21 PM   #50 
                    - still haven't figured it out yet.  dkofos   Jan-10-09 05:25 PM   #52 
                       - Is that the best you can do?  TheHeathen   Jan-10-09 05:39 PM   #56 
                 - Because people don't know about it. Americans have also been conditioned to be suspicious  greyhound1966   Jan-10-09 05:15 PM   #48 
                 - Our software on our server is Linux, no way I would have installed Windows Server.  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 07:13 PM   #62 
                 - Here's the fun thing, though ...  RoyGBiv   Jan-10-09 09:26 PM   #75 
                 - As flawlessly as any technology ...  RoyGBiv   Jan-10-09 09:13 PM   #73 
                 - Cause people are stupid and eat the shit they get fed on their televisions  cliffordu   Jan-10-09 09:56 PM   #82 
              - Actually, most Linux distros are still distributed on 700MB ISOs for CDs...  Solon   Jan-10-09 07:27 PM   #65 
              - Exactly ...  RoyGBiv   Jan-10-09 09:33 PM   #76 
                 - The OS is EXACTLY 16GB, but I am sure (because it is the ULTIMATE version)  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 09:38 PM   #77 
                    - Really?  RoyGBiv   Jan-10-09 09:48 PM   #79 
                       - It's different, it's not as "clunky" and it is using way less memory than my Vista laptop  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 09:51 PM   #80 
                          - Well, that's an improvement ...  RoyGBiv   Jan-10-09 10:03 PM   #85 
              - Most?  RoyGBiv   Jan-11-09 02:27 AM   #87 
        - Not really  anigbrowl   Jan-10-09 04:55 PM   #42 
        - Honestly why should the space it takes up be an issue?  CRF450   Jan-10-09 05:24 PM   #51 
           - It's not space consumption ...  RoyGBiv   Jan-10-09 10:01 PM   #83 
  - Here's a walkthrough of the Windows 7 experience  jgraz   Jan-10-09 01:45 PM   #2 
  - "It's better than Vista"  lumberjack_jeff   Jan-10-09 01:54 PM   #7 
     - I use Debian myself.  dkofos   Jan-10-09 02:42 PM   #15 
        - FreeBSD here.  L0oniX   Jan-10-09 05:47 PM   #58 
  - Faster blue screen of death? just kidding  Duckhunter935   Jan-10-09 01:47 PM   #3 
  - I heard they are changing to red.  dkofos   Jan-10-09 02:43 PM   #16 
  - for the past 8 months  Zech Marquis The 2nd   Jan-10-09 01:50 PM   #4 
  - I've used Vista for a year and half. Not a single problem,  JeanGrey   Jan-10-09 01:53 PM   #6 
     - If you're not a power user and have plenty of RAM...and don't mind the handholding  MercutioATC   Jan-10-09 02:32 PM   #13 
        - My computer performs just fine and I run tons of programs,  JeanGrey   Jan-10-09 08:59 PM   #72 
           - Such as?  Angleae   Jan-11-09 05:03 AM   #95 
  - I might try it on an old machine of mine.  pabsungenis   Jan-10-09 01:51 PM   #5 
  - Just a guess  lapfog_1   Jan-10-09 01:54 PM   #8 
     - Yeah, Windows 7 is definately not for old machines...  Solon   Jan-10-09 01:58 PM   #9 
     - With new computers that shouldn't be a problem  CRF450   Jan-10-09 05:30 PM   #55 
     - They said it is supposed to run well on older machines  pabsungenis   Jan-10-09 02:11 PM   #11 
  - If they are not paying people to use (and test) a Beta ... fuck 'em  thunder rising   Jan-10-09 02:03 PM   #10 
  - Idiots should've distributed via bt. Thankfully I've got msdn premiuim.  BlooInBloo   Jan-10-09 02:57 PM   #18 
  - Tech-net  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 03:12 PM   #23 
  - Jesus H. Christ! Why do they have a warning label on it saying it isn't complete?  Kansas Wyatt   Jan-10-09 03:14 PM   #25 
  - It's on the installation instructions page  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 03:31 PM   #28 
     - If it is suppose to be an improvement over Vista, then why the warning?  Kansas Wyatt   Jan-10-09 03:44 PM   #31 
        - Because it's a BETA it's in the testing phase.  walldude   Jan-10-09 04:29 PM   #37 
           - Which, in microsoftese, means alpha. The first release will be the beta,  greyhound1966   Jan-10-09 05:18 PM   #49 
           - Hahaha!  tabasco   Jan-10-09 07:15 PM   #64 
           - Which is why I don't upgrade to any Microsoft OS's till the second  walldude   Jan-11-09 11:01 AM   #96 
           - So instead of pre-maturely releasing it, like they did with Vista...  Kansas Wyatt   Jan-10-09 07:13 PM   #63 
              - Microsoft has released Beta versions of Windows for several iterations  csziggy   Jan-10-09 08:16 PM   #69 
  - I'll give it a whirl.  KillCapitalism   Jan-10-09 03:42 PM   #30 
  - I JUST put a 9500GT in this system the other day  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 03:51 PM   #33 
  - Theirs a video I saw on youtube of windows 7 a guy upgraded to....  CRF450   Jan-10-09 08:07 PM   #68 
     - True, but MUCH faster and the install took FIFTY MINUTES  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 08:29 PM   #70 
        - I'm gonna try it out too. So far its at near 50% downloaded  CRF450   Jan-10-09 08:39 PM   #71 
           - Get an ISO burner software from download.com  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 09:15 PM   #74 
              - Already did, Nero 7!  CRF450   Jan-10-09 09:41 PM   #78 
  - System's done  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 03:49 PM   #32 
  - Keep us posted, my system is fairly similar to yours so I'm interested in the outcome.  anigbrowl   Jan-10-09 04:57 PM   #44 
     - ISO is burned I am beginning install. I installed Win XP Pro first as a baseline  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 06:37 PM   #60 
  - How long did it take to download? I'm still loading  Ichingcarpenter   Jan-10-09 04:57 PM   #43 
  - Really??  Lost-in-FL   Jan-10-09 05:44 PM   #57 
     - It is still downloading as far as I can tell but I'm hopeful.  Ichingcarpenter   Jan-10-09 05:50 PM   #59 
  - You First  Phred42   Jan-10-09 05:26 PM   #53 
  - Install update  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 06:49 PM   #61 
  - Install complete, 50 minutes start to finish  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 07:28 PM   #66 
  - I am now on Windows 7  DainBramaged   Jan-10-09 07:45 PM   #67 
  - I'll be downloading it tonight  madokie   Jan-10-09 10:02 PM   #84 
  - My penguin craps on their download.  cliffordu   Jan-10-09 09:54 PM   #81 
  - Long Live the Penguin ...  RoyGBiv   Jan-11-09 03:10 AM   #89 
  - I have it on my laptop now.  CRF450   Jan-10-09 11:43 PM   #86 
  - I like Vista just fine, so does everyone in my house -- all engineers and geeks.  Political Heretic   Jan-11-09 02:37 AM   #88 
  - This is so weird  The Traveler   Jan-11-09 03:16 AM   #90 
  - I've got Ubuntu on my laptop - cause I needed all the performance I could get on that  Political Heretic   Jan-11-09 03:36 AM   #92 
  - Agreed. I've been using Vista for a bit over a year now and...  varkam   Jan-11-09 04:00 AM   #94 
  - Winblows 7?  L0oniX   Jan-11-09 11:22 AM   #97 
  - I thought I'd kick this for the folks who missed it.  DainBramaged   Jan-12-09 09:42 PM   #98 
  - also not for anyone with any sense  mkultra   Jan-12-09 10:41 PM   #99 
  - Little update...  CRF450   Jan-13-09 12:17 AM   #100 
 

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