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57. What's the outrage about?
Edited on Wed Jan-07-09 08:38 PM by Beacool
It's tradition and it's usually paid with private funds. The Clinton service was the most current one prior to this one. Sometimes, depending on the number of guests, several services are combined and used at the same time.

The Clinton Service

The Clinton service is remarkable not only for its revolutionary design but also for its significance to the history of the American presidency. The Clinton administration coincided with the bicentennial of the White House as home to America's first families, a role it had played since John Adams, the second president, took up residence there on November 1, 1800. To commemorate this event, and also replenish the stock of official state china for the first time in nearly two decades, President William Clinton and his wife, Hillary, commissioned Lenox to create 300 12-piece placesettings in 2000. In a dramatic departure from previous White House services, the Clinton china features a border of pale creamy yellow, instead of a bright primary color, and images of the White House facades, in place of the customary presidential seal. Each piece in the placesetting is decorated with a different pattern, the motifs derived from outstanding architectural elements found in the State Dining Room, East Room, and Diplomatic Reception Room. Fittingly, the china was used for the first time at a dinner attended by former Presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and George Bush, their wives, and Lady Bird Johnson, former first lady.

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  -Laura Bush orders a $485,000 White House China Set TWiley  Jan-07-09 06:53 PM   #0 
  - It should be returned...get paper plates  opihimoimoi   Jan-07-09 06:54 PM   #1 
  - Why? We didn't pay for it.  emilyg   Jan-07-09 10:52 PM   #108 
  - It's still wasteful  RGBolen   Jan-08-09 11:00 PM   #157 
  - Yeah. Wouldn't paper plates and Dixie cups have fit in better with the redneck barbecue aesthetic  Aristus   Jan-07-09 11:45 PM   #114 
  - SICK, these silver spoon FUCKS! make me SICK.  sarcasmo   Jan-07-09 06:56 PM   #2 
  - Wonder how many dishes drunky Chimpy and his skanky daughters broke?  Donnachaidh   Jan-07-09 06:57 PM   #3 
  - I hope Mrs. Obama puts it in the attic and orders her own choice.  BrklynLiberal   Jan-07-09 06:58 PM   #4 
  - uhh no. Send it back for a refund and THEN order what she wants  Donnachaidh   Jan-07-09 07:03 PM   #10 
     - It's paid for by private donors  Tangerine LaBamba   Jan-07-09 07:57 PM   #46 
        - Dick Cheney's pocket change?  Generator   Jan-07-09 08:10 PM   #53 
        - That slime........  Tangerine LaBamba   Jan-07-09 08:35 PM   #74 
        - Why read the article and actually understand what's going on?  Zywiec   Jan-07-09 08:34 PM   #73 
           - Silly me.  Tangerine LaBamba   Jan-07-09 08:36 PM   #75 
  - I don't suppose we can return it for cash?  aquart   Jan-07-09 06:58 PM   #5 
  - I read about that today in the Post  Tangerine LaBamba   Jan-07-09 06:59 PM   #6 
  - I knew they'd be butt ugly  AZDemDist6   Jan-07-09 07:02 PM   #8 
  - I don't think they're horrible.  MADem   Jan-07-09 07:07 PM   #15 
  - I think they're gorgeous  fed_up_mother   Jan-07-09 07:25 PM   #30 
  - The bottom pattern seems Sadam inspired. Lot's of gold leif military BS  thunder rising   Jan-07-09 07:08 PM   #19 
  - Check out the Clintons. It's much heavier gold lief.  fed_up_mother   Jan-07-09 08:32 PM   #68 
  - standard style for WH china  onenote   Jan-08-09 11:17 AM   #129 
  - thanks for sharing that  barbtries   Jan-07-09 07:14 PM   #24 
  - I checked it out, and it goes 'way back........  Tangerine LaBamba   Jan-07-09 07:16 PM   #26 
  - Gold flatware?  Retrograde   Jan-07-09 07:46 PM   #40 
  - I agree--gold flatware is so opulent that it's vulgar.  janx   Jan-07-09 11:03 PM   #111 
  - Good gawd man, we could melt that crap down and pay off the national debt  nolabels   Jan-08-09 02:36 AM   #119 
     - Not as gold as Clinton's china choice, and tax dollars didn't pay for it anyway. n/t  greguganus   Jan-08-09 11:26 AM   #135 
  - i absolutely DETEST gold flatware. ditto for bathroom fixtures.  QuestionAll   Jan-08-09 11:25 AM   #133 
  - the flower overpowers the plate and the food  madrchsod   Jan-07-09 07:46 PM   #41 
  - Yeah, I'd be tempted to "keep eating" once I reached the flower...  KansDem   Jan-08-09 11:41 AM   #145 
  - Those are hideous. I'm terrible at that stuff and still find her taste laughable. nt  LeftyMom   Jan-07-09 07:48 PM   #43 
  - Nancy Reagan was the exception...  Baby Snooks   Jan-07-09 08:23 PM   #62 
  - That Reagan stuff is awful,  Tangerine LaBamba   Jan-07-09 08:33 PM   #69 
  - at Buckingham Palace they use china and crystal from her predecessors' reigns  renate   Jan-07-09 08:37 PM   #77 
  - I love it  Tangerine LaBamba   Jan-07-09 10:54 PM   #109 
     - Did you ever see the PBS series "Winsdor Castle"  tammywammy   Jan-07-09 11:19 PM   #112 
        - Of course  Tangerine LaBamba   Jan-07-09 11:43 PM   #113 
  - I think the British invented Shabby Chic :)  fed_up_mother   Jan-07-09 10:15 PM   #103 
  - Here's another variation of the magnolia informal china.  janx   Jan-07-09 10:04 PM   #102 
  - I'm lookin' and lookin' and  Tangerine LaBamba   Jan-07-09 10:40 PM   #105 
  - YES.  janx   Jan-07-09 10:51 PM   #107 
  - my wife and I chose a pattern with "bugs" on it when we got married  onenote   Jan-08-09 11:22 AM   #131 
  - Ahhhh - first style reminiscent of the Octopus, n'est ce pas?  eowyn_of_rohan   Jan-08-09 11:55 AM   #147 
  - Think of how many homeless starved to death today in the USA...  New Dawn   Jan-07-09 06:59 PM   #7 
  - Read the article  Tangerine LaBamba   Jan-07-09 08:00 PM   #48 
  - Made possible by billions of dollars in tax breaks for the most privileged in our society  nolabels   Jan-08-09 12:32 PM   #148 
  - dupe - accident  Tangerine LaBamba   Jan-07-09 08:00 PM   #49 
  - Does she get to take it home?  dmordue   Jan-07-09 07:03 PM   #9 
  - No.  MADem   Jan-07-09 07:05 PM   #13 
  - It's custom and tradition in recent presidencies. And the taxpayers aren't paying for it.  MADem   Jan-07-09 07:04 PM   #11 
  - I say the taxpayers pay for it, maybe indirectly, but we pay for it. nm  rhett o rick   Jan-07-09 07:33 PM   #35 
  - No. not true.  MADem   Jan-07-09 07:38 PM   #36 
  - Yeah I know. And those rich bastards earned their money fair and square and didn't get massive tax  rhett o rick   Jan-07-09 10:48 PM   #106 
     - What does that have to do with anything? Good grief. There is no  MADem   Jan-08-09 11:06 AM   #126 
        - Yes I hear you. And I accept your good grief comment, but....  rhett o rick   Jan-08-09 03:42 PM   #152 
           - Hillary Clinton did it, too. If Obama gets a second term, Michelle Obama will do it.  MADem   Jan-08-09 07:04 PM   #154 
              - I recognize your points. I just have a hard time accepting the opulence of the ruling class in  rhett o rick   Jan-08-09 10:55 PM   #155 
                 - In the big scheme, they're not terribly opulent, actually.  MADem   Jan-09-09 09:21 AM   #158 
  - No.  emilyg   Jan-07-09 10:56 PM   #110 
  - Couldn't someone spend that money on feeding the homeless?  originalpckelly   Jan-07-09 07:44 PM   #38 
  - Fantasy....  tpsbmam   Jan-07-09 08:08 PM   #51 
  - It's not the family china. It's the china to be used for state dinners,  MADem   Jan-08-09 11:15 AM   #128 
  - I liked FDR's best  Tangerine LaBamba   Jan-07-09 08:01 PM   #50 
  - China will buy the White House for that amount someday.  Lastlaughin08   Jan-07-09 07:04 PM   #12 
  - It's probably service for 100, at least  Warpy   Jan-07-09 07:05 PM   #14 
  - It's for those big state dinners. Michelle will get to design some too, if her husband  MADem   Jan-07-09 07:08 PM   #20 
  - I think it's a 14 piece place setting. Imagine how much that cost!  fed_up_mother   Jan-07-09 07:26 PM   #32 
  - No kidding. There were pictures in the Cooking & Baking Group  Warpy   Jan-07-09 07:47 PM   #42 
  - I like the magnolia blossom  fed_up_mother   Jan-07-09 08:44 PM   #81 
     - They'd be fine for that  Warpy   Jan-07-09 09:11 PM   #92 
        - Conned? LOL Anyway, the magnolia plates are to go with the magnolia trees around WH  fed_up_mother   Jan-07-09 09:23 PM   #96 
  - It's 320 fourteen piece place settings.  MADem   Jan-08-09 11:21 AM   #130 
  - Lol! I actually expected something awful, but it's nice enough. nt  glitch   Jan-07-09 07:45 PM   #39 
  - ok, then, $1000/setting for 100 people = $100,000. But this cost 1/2 million freaking dollars.  Hannah Bell   Jan-08-09 01:56 AM   #117 
  - its a 14 piece service for 320 -- a lot of dishes  onenote   Jan-08-09 11:23 AM   #132 
  - Let's tar and feather this bird!  Jesuswasntafascist   Jan-07-09 07:07 PM   #16 
  - Marie Antoinette, Jr.  DemoTex   Jan-07-09 07:08 PM   #17 
  - My thoughts exactly.  Kristi1696   Jan-07-09 07:10 PM   #21 
  - Daggone it, now I gotta find what the various utensils and fine crystal are used for...  nc4bo   Jan-07-09 07:08 PM   #18 
  - OMG, what a waste!  Trailrider1951   Jan-07-09 07:14 PM   #23 
  - what's the point  barbtries   Jan-07-09 07:12 PM   #22 
  - Tradition  hack89   Jan-07-09 09:09 PM   #90 
  - How would you think the Obama's will feel if they use bush plates?  TWiley   Jan-07-09 07:15 PM   #25 
  - here's a look at some of the past patterns  barbtries   Jan-07-09 07:17 PM   #27 
  - I LIKE THE HAYES CHINA! I WANT IT!  janx   Jan-07-09 09:12 PM   #93 
     - Yes, Haviland ROCKS!!!  Perragrande   Jan-08-09 04:20 AM   #122 
  - Why the hell would she pick out the dishes for Michelle??  az chela   Jan-07-09 07:20 PM   #28 
  - Get some info. The Bushes have used the Clinton china, among others  fed_up_mother   Jan-07-09 07:29 PM   #33 
     - This sounds way to aristocratic for my president to be involved with. nm  rhett o rick   Jan-07-09 07:32 PM   #34 
        - Wow, have you been fooled!! n/t  greguganus   Jan-08-09 11:31 AM   #137 
           - It can happen. nm  rhett o rick   Jan-08-09 10:57 PM   #156 
  - Why not Martha Stewart china?  AlinPA   Jan-07-09 07:24 PM   #29 
  - Maybe a nice Martha Stewart prison pattern. n/t  greguganus   Jan-08-09 11:32 AM   #140 
  - Jebus H. Christ....  Hepburn   Jan-07-09 07:26 PM   #31 
  - What would it cost to  AsahinaKimi   Jan-07-09 07:39 PM   #37 
  - Why wasn't this left for the Obama's to order? They are going to be using it.  1776Forever   Jan-07-09 07:54 PM   #44 
  - It was ordered years ago  Tangerine LaBamba   Jan-07-09 07:58 PM   #47 
     - What article? This report was a video from ABC News & they were saying 2 weeks ago.  1776Forever   Jan-07-09 08:09 PM   #52 
        - Here's an article  tammywammy   Jan-07-09 08:15 PM   #58 
           - Thank you - this is why print media shouldn't go out of business - appreciate it.  1776Forever   Jan-07-09 08:59 PM   #88 
  - Too incomprehensible to even comment on.  liberalmuse   Jan-07-09 07:54 PM   #45 
  - Her way of saying "FU" to Michelle? What if Michelle hates the pattern?  sparosnare   Jan-07-09 08:12 PM   #54 
  - Sigh, no not at all  tammywammy   Jan-07-09 08:25 PM   #64 
  - It's OK.  sparosnare   Jan-07-09 08:28 PM   #66 
  - It's tradition. (for the 100th time) n/t  greguganus   Jan-08-09 11:33 AM   #141 
  - Was the china made in America?  Riley18   Jan-07-09 08:12 PM   #55 
  - Lenox, Inc and Pickard China  tammywammy   Jan-07-09 08:17 PM   #59 
  - Please take whatever you like and leave  jaysunb   Jan-07-09 08:12 PM   #56 
  - What's the outrage about?  Beacool   Jan-07-09 08:15 PM   #57 
  - From what I read  tammywammy   Jan-07-09 08:19 PM   #60 
  - Does the image appear?  Beacool   Jan-07-09 08:25 PM   #63 
     - No, it doesn't  tammywammy   Jan-07-09 08:26 PM   #65 
        - Let me try again.  Beacool   Jan-07-09 08:30 PM   #67 
           - closer look at Clinton china  Olney Blue   Jan-07-09 08:33 PM   #71 
           - Thanks!!  Beacool   Jan-07-09 08:38 PM   #78 
           - I love the silverware. It's simple and elegant. I'd like to use  janx   Jan-07-09 09:14 PM   #94 
           - I like the Clinton china very much n/t  tammywammy   Jan-07-09 08:34 PM   #72 
           - Great pic, thanks.  Beacool   Jan-07-09 08:42 PM   #80 
           - Maybe this is why Laura waited so long to order a set of her own.  Beacool   Jan-07-09 08:36 PM   #76 
  - The 'outrage'  elleng   Jan-07-09 08:55 PM   #87 
  - Exactly.  Beacool   Jan-07-09 09:08 PM   #89 
  - great, another republican apoligist  TWiley   Jan-08-09 10:40 AM   #125 
     - great another poster who didn't read (or didn't comprehend) the article  onenote   Jan-08-09 11:29 AM   #136 
     - Hey B-Flat, the O.P. does NOT have an article to read  TWiley   Jan-08-09 12:39 PM   #149 
        - Hey TooLazy  onenote   Jan-08-09 12:45 PM   #150 
           - Hey concise reader ..... this is fun  TWiley   Jan-08-09 01:26 PM   #151 
     - At least they didn't put their faces on the plates. n/t  greguganus   Jan-08-09 11:36 AM   #143 
     - That would be 'apologist,'  elleng   Jan-08-09 06:51 PM   #153 
  - Maybe the 32% approval rating? Shrub is not well liked.  TWiley   Jan-08-09 04:15 AM   #121 
  - I'd sure have it tested for lead before I let anyone use it.  TahitiNut   Jan-07-09 08:22 PM   #61 
  - Is this the dreaded Reagan stuff?  JeffreyWilliamson   Jan-07-09 08:33 PM   #70 
  - It's hard to match with the flowers and decor.  Beacool   Jan-07-09 08:45 PM   #82 
  - I saw a picture of a table set with those plates  fed_up_mother   Jan-07-09 08:52 PM   #84 
  - I think we should send the shit back for a refund in 1 week and 6 days. Son of a bitch!  lonestarnot   Jan-07-09 08:38 PM   #79 
  - Are the private donors asking for their money back?  tammywammy   Jan-07-09 08:48 PM   #83 
     - I wasn't about to watch that crap. Did it say private donors paid for the pickle jars?  lonestarnot   Jan-07-09 08:53 PM   #85 
        - Well, you could have read the thread  tammywammy   Jan-07-09 09:31 PM   #99 
           - Thanks for the link. Looks like she's drown the whole place in yellow pissy rugs.  lonestarnot   Jan-07-09 09:34 PM   #101 
  - The formal china is kind of pretty  LibertyLover   Jan-07-09 08:53 PM   #86 
  - I think this would of really been in good taste...had Laura  samplegirl   Jan-07-09 09:10 PM   #91 
  - If the Obamas are in the WH for 8 years  tammywammy   Jan-07-09 09:24 PM   #97 
  - I hope the Obamas choose 'Made in the USA'  alittlelark   Jan-07-09 09:17 PM   #95 
  - The Bush china was made by Lenox and Pickard n/t  tammywammy   Jan-07-09 09:28 PM   #98 
  - Lenox is the official company that has been used for many years  Beacool   Jan-08-09 01:07 AM   #116 
  - Good God, think what that money could do  liberalhistorian   Jan-07-09 09:34 PM   #100 
  - She didn't pay for the shit. Private investors did. Maybe we can get the investors' names  greguganus   Jan-08-09 11:38 AM   #144 
  - But did anyone notice that odd blue rufflely dress Pickles was wearing  Ilsa   Jan-07-09 10:24 PM   #104 
  - And they're ugly.  Lugnut   Jan-08-09 12:00 AM   #115 
  - *sings* all my clothes come from the top designers...  jtrockville   Jan-08-09 02:23 AM   #118 
  - Just a guess: Sounds like a money-laundering operation.  SimpleTrend   Jan-08-09 04:04 AM   #120 
  - That's 320 place settings, with something like 14 pieces per place setting  fed_up_mother   Jan-08-09 10:38 AM   #124 
  - Probably complete with CIA microphones and transmitters. /nt  Festivito   Jan-08-09 05:59 AM   #123 
  - she should get the bill for it.  spanone   Jan-08-09 11:07 AM   #127 
  - did it occur to you to actually read any of the posts in the thread?  onenote   Jan-08-09 11:32 AM   #138 
     - But then how could they be sufficiently outraged? n/t  kiva   Jan-08-09 11:35 AM   #142 
  - I wonder if it's a common occurence...  D__S   Jan-08-09 11:26 AM   #134 
  - apparently it was, so that now they are more careful to account for every piece  onenote   Jan-08-09 11:32 AM   #139 
  - What happened- did they BREAK it all during their drunken tantrums?  eowyn_of_rohan   Jan-08-09 11:47 AM   #146 

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