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101. Assigning blame does no good and is not the way to peaceful resolution.
The killing of innocent civilians on either side is unacceptable and must stop. But does either side want peace? If an agreement was reached, there would be no need for Hamas to exist and the Likud party would no longer have a purpose.

Right now, I am furious our government - and that includes prominent Democrats - are not condemning the actions of both sides and urging a cease fire without sounding like a 5 year old demanding Hamas stop first.
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  -Why does anyone have to take sides in this conflict? dem629  Jan-03-09 03:31 PM   #0 
  - The part we need to look at is the U.S. contribution - our hands are not clean.  polichick   Jan-03-09 03:33 PM   #1 
  - It's too bad we don't just detatch ourselves entirely and let them have their fight.  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:34 PM   #5 
  - They're using weapons provided by us - just as Saddam did. It's sick.  polichick   Jan-03-09 03:36 PM   #8 
     - Right. And we should never get involved in their petty cultural/religious nonsense.  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:37 PM   #9 
        - We only do because we want something. Green energy will save us...  polichick   Jan-03-09 03:39 PM   #11 
  - Agreed  OCAtheist   Jan-03-09 03:39 PM   #12 
  - And therein lies the problem and why the U.S. is treated with  Fire1   Jan-03-09 10:39 PM   #82 
  - the only side I am on is the dead and dying. what their nationality  roguevalley   Jan-04-09 12:24 AM   #88 
  - You nailed that one. nt  LWolf   Jan-04-09 01:15 PM   #110 
  - Bingo.  roamer65   Jan-03-09 03:33 PM   #2 
  - You bet. Take the money away and watch all fighting stop.  Fire1   Jan-03-09 10:41 PM   #83 
  - Actually, like in so many other matters- those types don't actually represent the parties...  Poll_Blind   Jan-03-09 03:34 PM   #3 
  - Because all Palestinians and all Israelis are the same?  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:34 PM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-09 03:35 PM   #7 
     - "Screw all of them" is pretty clear.  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:39 PM   #10 
        - Let them have their fight.  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:41 PM   #15 
        - Maybe because the West has had its dirty fingers in that pie...  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:45 PM   #18 
           - Ah, so one ill-conceived policy justifies another.  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:46 PM   #19 
              - The obligation to remedy damage you've caused is ill-conceived?  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:49 PM   #24 
                 - Actually, you have it backwards.  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:51 PM   #26 
                    - There's a big difference between pursuing the same failed policy over and over....  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:55 PM   #31 
                       - How many American lives is it worth?  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:58 PM   #33 
                          - Are American lives more precious than Palestinian or Israeli ones?  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 04:04 PM   #38 
                             - So you're willing to risk American blood and treasure over this  dem629   Jan-03-09 04:09 PM   #43 
        - Oh, and funny you should mock the phrase  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:44 PM   #17 
        - I never said I support US involvement "on one side or the other."  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 04:02 PM   #37 
           - "ensure a just and stable peace is brought to the region"  dem629   Jan-03-09 04:06 PM   #40 
              - If you think keeping the Israelis and Palestinians at each other's throats...  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 04:37 PM   #53 
                 - Does that involve black helicopters, and an ancient scroll?  dem629   Jan-03-09 08:22 PM   #70 
                    - No, just a basic familiarity with the history of the region.  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 09:49 PM   #78 
        - Really. Screw all the dead children getting in the way of "modernity"  kenzee13   Jan-04-09 10:01 AM   #102 
  - THANK YOU. No real 'good guys' in this one. Kinda like Georgia-Ossetia-Russia.nt  MookieWilson   Jan-03-09 03:35 PM   #6 
  - Nope, no good guys. Not even the innocent victims.  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:41 PM   #14 
  - That's their problem. Why is it ours?  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:41 PM   #16 
     - Because we were instrumental in starting it.  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:47 PM   #21 
        - You're making a great neocon-Bush argument  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:49 PM   #23 
           - I don't recall advocating any particular policy, so I'm not sure...  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:54 PM   #29 
              - Any further involvement in that region  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:57 PM   #32 
              - That's nice and convenient, isn't it?  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 04:09 PM   #44 
              - Yep.  dem629   Jan-03-09 04:11 PM   #46 
                 - Most atrocities have been justified in the name of pragmatism.  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 04:35 PM   #51 
              - About further involvement.  Ani Yun Wiya   Jan-04-09 03:14 AM   #92 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-09 05:37 PM   #58 
                 - It always troubles me how easily many are able to objectify...  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 05:49 PM   #60 
  - Poverty & deprivation drives conflict  SoCalDem   Jan-03-09 03:52 PM   #28 
  - There are no sides in this, as they are both wrong.  FrenchieCat   Jan-03-09 03:41 PM   #13 
  - "Screw all of them" isn't a position that people interested in social justice normally take.  sfexpat2000   Jan-03-09 03:47 PM   #20 
  - OK.  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:50 PM   #25 
  - Alas, it is a traditional isolationist possition going back  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-03-09 03:54 PM   #30 
  - I agree and I support a more isolationist US foreign policy.  roamer65   Jan-03-09 03:59 PM   #34 
  - What I've learned is that it's not so much a problem of trying to solve  sfexpat2000   Jan-03-09 04:01 PM   #36 
  - You are correct.  roamer65   Jan-03-09 04:07 PM   #41 
  - that means abandoning the Empire,  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-03-09 04:41 PM   #54 
  - nadin -- Studs Terkel's memorial at Cooper Hall was on CSPAN today  sfexpat2000   Jan-03-09 03:59 PM   #35 
  - I agree  LeftishBrit   Jan-03-09 04:06 PM   #39 
     - I think America has now outdone the British in enabling this violence  sfexpat2000   Jan-03-09 04:12 PM   #47 
  - The corporate empires partner the U.S. and Israel in regional control.  balantz   Jan-03-09 03:49 PM   #22 
  - It goes beyond religious squabling  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-03-09 03:52 PM   #27 
  - Agreed; there is remarkable continuity in the propaganda on both sides.  LeftishBrit   Jan-03-09 04:08 PM   #42 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-09 04:18 PM   #49 
     - And religion is the patina...of current use  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-03-09 04:32 PM   #50 
        - Trade routes?  MajorChode   Jan-03-09 05:58 PM   #61 
           - Read again, the OTHER TRADE ROUTE, the one we are currently involved  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-04-09 09:28 PM   #114 
  - I think both sides suck  DS1   Jan-03-09 04:10 PM   #45 
  - i'm pro Palestinian, they got Robbed.. but there's fault all around, if th terror element of Hamas  sam sarrha   Jan-03-09 04:16 PM   #48 
  - Hamas = Red Cross?  MajorChode   Jan-03-09 06:19 PM   #65 
     - you are chery picking.. i simply illustrated a situation.. bad situation, but they do have an infras...  sam sarrha   Jan-03-09 09:30 PM   #75 
        - You are too easily disappointed  MajorChode   Jan-04-09 07:13 AM   #98 
           - look dick weed... i made a comparison to gangs taking over essential infrastructure...you twisted it  sam sarrha   Jan-04-09 09:28 AM   #99 
              - How rich of you.  MajorChode   Jan-04-09 02:45 PM   #112 
  - How can you not take sides when watching the mindless killing of innocent people?  MartyL   Jan-03-09 04:37 PM   #52 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-09 05:13 PM   #57 
  - I think you're putting aside the fact that those Palestinians elected  JerseygirlCT   Jan-03-09 07:18 PM   #67 
  - kinda like we 'elected' Bush?  MartyL   Jan-03-09 07:32 PM   #68 
     - Well, I'd dispute that we actually did elect him  JerseygirlCT   Jan-03-09 08:04 PM   #69 
        - I don't think we elected Bush either  MartyL   Jan-04-09 12:17 AM   #86 
  - By the same token....  dem629   Jan-03-09 08:23 PM   #71 
     - I'm not advocating involvement in anything  MartyL   Jan-04-09 12:16 AM   #85 
  - I'm on the side of the people killed and maimed by "leaders" who always have rationales for killing.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-03-09 05:02 PM   #55 
  - exactly!  MartyL   Jan-03-09 05:12 PM   #56 
  - Ditto.  TahitiNut   Jan-03-09 06:08 PM   #62 
  - And what are you doing about it?  dem629   Jan-03-09 08:24 PM   #72 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-09 05:46 PM   #59 
  - Umm...  BuyingThyme   Jan-03-09 06:12 PM   #63 
  - A pox on both their houses.  alarimer   Jan-03-09 06:18 PM   #64 
  - I mostly agree  JerseygirlCT   Jan-03-09 07:16 PM   #66 
  - It's not about religion. It's about LAND n/t  Charlie16   Jan-03-09 08:53 PM   #74 
     - Yes  JerseygirlCT   Jan-04-09 06:56 AM   #97 
  - Only morons...  sendero   Jan-03-09 08:26 PM   #73 
  - the Genesis of a problem has absolutely nothing to do with its Resolution. till they figure that out  sam sarrha   Jan-03-09 09:38 PM   #77 
  - people take sides because they want to avoid an "Over View" that could resolve the situation  sam sarrha   Jan-03-09 09:33 PM   #76 
  - I agree, though I would add the media never gives the Palestinian side  treestar   Jan-03-09 10:25 PM   #79 
  - I agree  Skittles   Jan-03-09 10:35 PM   #80 
  - Bingo, No one is special here.  Pavulon   Jan-03-09 10:36 PM   #81 
  - holy shit I'm shocked this hasn't gotten shoved down into the I/P dungeon  FarceOfNature   Jan-03-09 11:20 PM   #84 
  - Me neither. It seems to stifle honest discussion of a very important topic that may bring about WW3  IsItJustMe   Jan-04-09 09:47 AM   #100 
  - It is not about religion and it is not supported by the people  MartyL   Jan-04-09 12:21 AM   #87 
  - I would like it if we could sit back and watch. Unfortunately, America is already involved.  anonymous171   Jan-04-09 12:29 AM   #89 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-04-09 12:36 AM   #90 
  - Western ideals...  Chulanowa   Jan-04-09 04:54 AM   #94 
     - I could care less about 'progressive thought'.  Eryemil   Jan-04-09 06:00 AM   #96 
        - Within the context of the question asked, yes, you did  Chulanowa   Jan-04-09 11:56 AM   #104 
           - It isn't the religion itself. It's the cultural differences that people are really referring to.  Gwendolyn   Jan-04-09 12:08 PM   #107 
              - It's not, really  Chulanowa   Jan-04-09 12:35 PM   #108 
                 - Yes, it's the legal differences, and the fact that it's condoned by larger society.  Gwendolyn   Jan-04-09 01:31 PM   #111 
  - I'm on the side of not slaughtering innocent human beings.  Hissyspit   Jan-04-09 12:39 AM   #91 
  - For what it's worth, I blame the British  Chulanowa   Jan-04-09 04:46 AM   #93 
  - this is not ancient this is modern day apartheid, and i choose to support the oppressed  StudsT   Jan-04-09 04:55 AM   #95 
  - Assigning blame does no good and is not the way to peaceful resolution.  sparosnare   Jan-04-09 10:00 AM   #101 
  - People take sides when they read the history. There is no equivalency here. This is not  Malikshah   Jan-04-09 10:02 AM   #103 
  - Because being reasonable is hard.  yibbehobba   Jan-04-09 11:58 AM   #105 
  - I agree with you.  Marr   Jan-04-09 12:02 PM   #106 
  - Money. American foreign policy is based on killing for money.  mmonk   Jan-04-09 01:13 PM   #109 
  - There is no easy solution, but I completely agree side-taking makes peace-brokering impossible. nt  AtomicKitten   Jan-04-09 02:51 PM   #113 
 

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