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82. And therein lies the problem and why the U.S. is treated with
such disdain.
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  -Why does anyone have to take sides in this conflict? dem629  Jan-03-09 03:31 PM   #0 
  - The part we need to look at is the U.S. contribution - our hands are not clean.  polichick   Jan-03-09 03:33 PM   #1 
  - It's too bad we don't just detatch ourselves entirely and let them have their fight.  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:34 PM   #5 
  - They're using weapons provided by us - just as Saddam did. It's sick.  polichick   Jan-03-09 03:36 PM   #8 
     - Right. And we should never get involved in their petty cultural/religious nonsense.  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:37 PM   #9 
        - We only do because we want something. Green energy will save us...  polichick   Jan-03-09 03:39 PM   #11 
  - Agreed  OCAtheist   Jan-03-09 03:39 PM   #12 
  - And therein lies the problem and why the U.S. is treated with  Fire1   Jan-03-09 10:39 PM   #82 
  - the only side I am on is the dead and dying. what their nationality  roguevalley   Jan-04-09 12:24 AM   #88 
  - You nailed that one. nt  LWolf   Jan-04-09 01:15 PM   #110 
  - Bingo.  roamer65   Jan-03-09 03:33 PM   #2 
  - You bet. Take the money away and watch all fighting stop.  Fire1   Jan-03-09 10:41 PM   #83 
  - Actually, like in so many other matters- those types don't actually represent the parties...  Poll_Blind   Jan-03-09 03:34 PM   #3 
  - Because all Palestinians and all Israelis are the same?  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:34 PM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-09 03:35 PM   #7 
     - "Screw all of them" is pretty clear.  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:39 PM   #10 
        - Let them have their fight.  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:41 PM   #15 
        - Maybe because the West has had its dirty fingers in that pie...  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:45 PM   #18 
           - Ah, so one ill-conceived policy justifies another.  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:46 PM   #19 
              - The obligation to remedy damage you've caused is ill-conceived?  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:49 PM   #24 
                 - Actually, you have it backwards.  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:51 PM   #26 
                    - There's a big difference between pursuing the same failed policy over and over....  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:55 PM   #31 
                       - How many American lives is it worth?  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:58 PM   #33 
                          - Are American lives more precious than Palestinian or Israeli ones?  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 04:04 PM   #38 
                             - So you're willing to risk American blood and treasure over this  dem629   Jan-03-09 04:09 PM   #43 
        - Oh, and funny you should mock the phrase  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:44 PM   #17 
        - I never said I support US involvement "on one side or the other."  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 04:02 PM   #37 
           - "ensure a just and stable peace is brought to the region"  dem629   Jan-03-09 04:06 PM   #40 
              - If you think keeping the Israelis and Palestinians at each other's throats...  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 04:37 PM   #53 
                 - Does that involve black helicopters, and an ancient scroll?  dem629   Jan-03-09 08:22 PM   #70 
                    - No, just a basic familiarity with the history of the region.  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 09:49 PM   #78 
        - Really. Screw all the dead children getting in the way of "modernity"  kenzee13   Jan-04-09 10:01 AM   #102 
  - THANK YOU. No real 'good guys' in this one. Kinda like Georgia-Ossetia-Russia.nt  MookieWilson   Jan-03-09 03:35 PM   #6 
  - Nope, no good guys. Not even the innocent victims.  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:41 PM   #14 
  - That's their problem. Why is it ours?  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:41 PM   #16 
     - Because we were instrumental in starting it.  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:47 PM   #21 
        - You're making a great neocon-Bush argument  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:49 PM   #23 
           - I don't recall advocating any particular policy, so I'm not sure...  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 03:54 PM   #29 
              - Any further involvement in that region  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:57 PM   #32 
              - That's nice and convenient, isn't it?  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 04:09 PM   #44 
              - Yep.  dem629   Jan-03-09 04:11 PM   #46 
                 - Most atrocities have been justified in the name of pragmatism.  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 04:35 PM   #51 
              - About further involvement.  Ani Yun Wiya   Jan-04-09 03:14 AM   #92 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-09 05:37 PM   #58 
                 - It always troubles me how easily many are able to objectify...  Kutjara   Jan-03-09 05:49 PM   #60 
  - Poverty & deprivation drives conflict  SoCalDem   Jan-03-09 03:52 PM   #28 
  - There are no sides in this, as they are both wrong.  FrenchieCat   Jan-03-09 03:41 PM   #13 
  - "Screw all of them" isn't a position that people interested in social justice normally take.  sfexpat2000   Jan-03-09 03:47 PM   #20 
  - OK.  dem629   Jan-03-09 03:50 PM   #25 
  - Alas, it is a traditional isolationist possition going back  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-03-09 03:54 PM   #30 
  - I agree and I support a more isolationist US foreign policy.  roamer65   Jan-03-09 03:59 PM   #34 
  - What I've learned is that it's not so much a problem of trying to solve  sfexpat2000   Jan-03-09 04:01 PM   #36 
  - You are correct.  roamer65   Jan-03-09 04:07 PM   #41 
  - that means abandoning the Empire,  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-03-09 04:41 PM   #54 
  - nadin -- Studs Terkel's memorial at Cooper Hall was on CSPAN today  sfexpat2000   Jan-03-09 03:59 PM   #35 
  - I agree  LeftishBrit   Jan-03-09 04:06 PM   #39 
     - I think America has now outdone the British in enabling this violence  sfexpat2000   Jan-03-09 04:12 PM   #47 
  - The corporate empires partner the U.S. and Israel in regional control.  balantz   Jan-03-09 03:49 PM   #22 
  - It goes beyond religious squabling  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-03-09 03:52 PM   #27 
  - Agreed; there is remarkable continuity in the propaganda on both sides.  LeftishBrit   Jan-03-09 04:08 PM   #42 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-09 04:18 PM   #49 
     - And religion is the patina...of current use  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-03-09 04:32 PM   #50 
        - Trade routes?  MajorChode   Jan-03-09 05:58 PM   #61 
           - Read again, the OTHER TRADE ROUTE, the one we are currently involved  nadinbrzezinski   Jan-04-09 09:28 PM   #114 
  - I think both sides suck  DS1   Jan-03-09 04:10 PM   #45 
  - i'm pro Palestinian, they got Robbed.. but there's fault all around, if th terror element of Hamas  sam sarrha   Jan-03-09 04:16 PM   #48 
  - Hamas = Red Cross?  MajorChode   Jan-03-09 06:19 PM   #65 
     - you are chery picking.. i simply illustrated a situation.. bad situation, but they do have an infras...  sam sarrha   Jan-03-09 09:30 PM   #75 
        - You are too easily disappointed  MajorChode   Jan-04-09 07:13 AM   #98 
           - look dick weed... i made a comparison to gangs taking over essential twisted it  sam sarrha   Jan-04-09 09:28 AM   #99 
              - How rich of you.  MajorChode   Jan-04-09 02:45 PM   #112 
  - How can you not take sides when watching the mindless killing of innocent people?  MartyL   Jan-03-09 04:37 PM   #52 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-09 05:13 PM   #57 
  - I think you're putting aside the fact that those Palestinians elected  JerseygirlCT   Jan-03-09 07:18 PM   #67 
  - kinda like we 'elected' Bush?  MartyL   Jan-03-09 07:32 PM   #68 
     - Well, I'd dispute that we actually did elect him  JerseygirlCT   Jan-03-09 08:04 PM   #69 
        - I don't think we elected Bush either  MartyL   Jan-04-09 12:17 AM   #86 
  - By the same token....  dem629   Jan-03-09 08:23 PM   #71 
     - I'm not advocating involvement in anything  MartyL   Jan-04-09 12:16 AM   #85 
  - I'm on the side of the people killed and maimed by "leaders" who always have rationales for killing.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-03-09 05:02 PM   #55 
  - exactly!  MartyL   Jan-03-09 05:12 PM   #56 
  - Ditto.  TahitiNut   Jan-03-09 06:08 PM   #62 
  - And what are you doing about it?  dem629   Jan-03-09 08:24 PM   #72 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-03-09 05:46 PM   #59 
  - Umm...  BuyingThyme   Jan-03-09 06:12 PM   #63 
  - A pox on both their houses.  alarimer   Jan-03-09 06:18 PM   #64 
  - I mostly agree  JerseygirlCT   Jan-03-09 07:16 PM   #66 
  - It's not about religion. It's about LAND n/t  Charlie16   Jan-03-09 08:53 PM   #74 
     - Yes  JerseygirlCT   Jan-04-09 06:56 AM   #97 
  - Only morons...  sendero   Jan-03-09 08:26 PM   #73 
  - the Genesis of a problem has absolutely nothing to do with its Resolution. till they figure that out  sam sarrha   Jan-03-09 09:38 PM   #77 
  - people take sides because they want to avoid an "Over View" that could resolve the situation  sam sarrha   Jan-03-09 09:33 PM   #76 
  - I agree, though I would add the media never gives the Palestinian side  treestar   Jan-03-09 10:25 PM   #79 
  - I agree  Skittles   Jan-03-09 10:35 PM   #80 
  - Bingo, No one is special here.  Pavulon   Jan-03-09 10:36 PM   #81 
  - holy shit I'm shocked this hasn't gotten shoved down into the I/P dungeon  FarceOfNature   Jan-03-09 11:20 PM   #84 
  - Me neither. It seems to stifle honest discussion of a very important topic that may bring about WW3  IsItJustMe   Jan-04-09 09:47 AM   #100 
  - It is not about religion and it is not supported by the people  MartyL   Jan-04-09 12:21 AM   #87 
  - I would like it if we could sit back and watch. Unfortunately, America is already involved.  anonymous171   Jan-04-09 12:29 AM   #89 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-04-09 12:36 AM   #90 
  - Western ideals...  Chulanowa   Jan-04-09 04:54 AM   #94 
     - I could care less about 'progressive thought'.  Eryemil   Jan-04-09 06:00 AM   #96 
        - Within the context of the question asked, yes, you did  Chulanowa   Jan-04-09 11:56 AM   #104 
           - It isn't the religion itself. It's the cultural differences that people are really referring to.  Gwendolyn   Jan-04-09 12:08 PM   #107 
              - It's not, really  Chulanowa   Jan-04-09 12:35 PM   #108 
                 - Yes, it's the legal differences, and the fact that it's condoned by larger society.  Gwendolyn   Jan-04-09 01:31 PM   #111 
  - I'm on the side of not slaughtering innocent human beings.  Hissyspit   Jan-04-09 12:39 AM   #91 
  - For what it's worth, I blame the British  Chulanowa   Jan-04-09 04:46 AM   #93 
  - this is not ancient this is modern day apartheid, and i choose to support the oppressed  StudsT   Jan-04-09 04:55 AM   #95 
  - Assigning blame does no good and is not the way to peaceful resolution.  sparosnare   Jan-04-09 10:00 AM   #101 
  - People take sides when they read the history. There is no equivalency here. This is not  Malikshah   Jan-04-09 10:02 AM   #103 
  - Because being reasonable is hard.  yibbehobba   Jan-04-09 11:58 AM   #105 
  - I agree with you.  Marr   Jan-04-09 12:02 PM   #106 
  - Money. American foreign policy is based on killing for money.  mmonk   Jan-04-09 01:13 PM   #109 
  - There is no easy solution, but I completely agree side-taking makes peace-brokering impossible. nt  AtomicKitten   Jan-04-09 02:51 PM   #113 

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