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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-09 01:07 PM
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44. There are plenty of religions that won't let you participate if you don't pay.
And again, even if your point is valid, how exactly does that disqualify Scientology from being a religion? Where is that distinction defined?

"people who don't equate them with mainstream religions" - ok now that is just moving the goalposts. But again this is an irrelevant argument. The constitution does not make a distinction between 'mainstream religions' and 'non-mainstream religions'. It grants everyone 'Freedom of Religion' and demands 'Separation of Church and State' through the establishment clause. Scientologists have the same right to their religion and its practices as you do to yours, regardless of your opinion of their religion. That is sort of the point of Freedom of Religion. The state really cannot pick and choose among religions, elevating some to a higher 'mainstream' status either, that would be a violation of the establishment clause.
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  -Let me show you something, and it shows why I'm suspicious of Scientology in re Jett Travolta: originalpckelly  Jan-03-09 11:18 AM   #0 
  - Yeah, but that doesn't  pabsungenis   Jan-03-09 11:19 AM   #1 
  - No, you're right, it does not.  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 11:22 AM   #3 
  - If they follow the tenets of the cult, that child was denied basic care.  MADem   Jan-03-09 11:22 AM   #4 
  - Nope.  jeff30997   Jan-03-09 11:22 AM   #2 
  - To this day, I believe it's in Israel...  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 11:23 AM   #6 
     - I think for the famous or wanna be it starts out  Lifetimedem   Jan-03-09 11:28 AM   #10 
     - It's really pretty fucked up, they "audit" you for all the shit you've in your past...  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 11:30 AM   #11 
        - which might be why they stay AND PAY  Lifetimedem   Jan-03-09 03:09 PM   #54 
     - I've known one member  Pithlet   Jan-04-09 12:28 AM   #106 
  - He suffered the chronic effects of Kawasaki Syndrome...  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 11:23 AM   #5 
  - Kawasaki's Disease/Syndrome is not common in children over the age of 8.  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 11:24 AM   #7 
  - In addition, when children to die from it...  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 11:27 AM   #8 
  - Arrhythimas are a common sequelae. Death from arrhythmias  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 12:30 PM   #24 
  - It is most common in males under 5 the chrobnic effects are lifetime  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 12:28 PM   #23 
  - His death would not be unexpected?  redqueen   Jan-03-09 11:27 AM   #9 
  - Scientology.  Liberal_Lurker   Jan-03-09 11:30 AM   #12 
  - Complications of Kawasaki include cornary artery dilitations  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 12:36 PM   #26 
     - 1%  redqueen   Jan-03-09 12:39 PM   #28 
        - not totally unexpected.  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 12:43 PM   #30 
           - IMO your comments have been extremely misleading. (nt)  redqueen   Jan-03-09 12:51 PM   #33 
              - I work and publish in the field  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 12:54 PM   #36 
                 - deleted  redqueen   Jan-03-09 01:02 PM   #39 
                 - Check your PMs. (nt)  redqueen   Jan-03-09 01:18 PM   #46 
                 - thank you...  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 01:26 PM   #47 
                 - You may do work in the field, but ...  ColbertWatcher   Jan-03-09 04:08 PM   #60 
                 - the autopsy should (hopefully) provide the answers...  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 06:32 PM   #82 
                 - Thank  mzmolly   Jan-03-09 04:29 PM   #67 
                    - ...  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 06:41 PM   # 
                       - .  mzmolly   Jan-03-09 07:18 PM   #86 
  - There are drugs to prevent the seizures.  Lint Head   Jan-03-09 12:11 PM   #18 
  - and you know that he wasn't on these drugs?  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 12:27 PM   #22 
  - John Travolta's Son: Meds Ultimately Did Harm  mountainvue   Jan-04-09 12:44 PM   #127 
  - Acute death years later is not that uncommon from Kawasaki  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 12:38 PM   #27 
  - Please state the reason you use the phrase "not that uncommon".  redqueen   Jan-03-09 12:40 PM   #29 
     - Depends on your perspective...  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 12:45 PM   #31 
     - Yes...  redqueen   Jan-03-09 12:52 PM   #35 
        - I have backed my assertions up with published links  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 12:59 PM   #38 
           - For me this isn't about the Travoltas.  redqueen   Jan-03-09 01:04 PM   #40 
              - Death is quite rare among all children affected with Kawasaki's  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 01:30 PM   #49 
     - I already did in my previous response. eom  hlthe2b   Jan-03-09 12:47 PM   #32 
  - Which don't work 100% of the time  proud2Blib   Jan-03-09 04:30 PM   #68 
  - no way, not at his age and not the way he died  Hamlette   Jan-03-09 04:18 PM   #64 
  - Most medical professionals  babythunder   Jan-04-09 12:21 PM   #125 
  - Maybe.  ColbertWatcher   Jan-04-09 03:50 PM   #134 
  - Minister, Reverend, Doctor: "we" are way toooo loose in "our" use of these words.  patrice   Jan-03-09 11:36 AM   #13 
  - Boy, do you have that right!!!  Delphinus   Jan-03-09 11:43 AM   #14 
  - Indeed.  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 11:52 AM   #15 
  - My experience of Minister and Reverand is that these are people who have decided  patrice   Jan-03-09 11:57 AM   #16 
  - BTW, my comments in this thread may become quite relevant when we turn our attention to  patrice   Jan-03-09 12:12 PM   #19 
     - And the word Doctor is going to come under scrutiny if/when we get to include  patrice   Jan-03-09 12:19 PM   #20 
        - This better not happen  alarimer   Jan-03-09 03:14 PM   #57 
           - Well, with the GOP's injection of their "right of conscience" rules ...  ColbertWatcher   Jan-03-09 04:54 PM   #76 
  - I agree  babythunder   Jan-04-09 01:19 PM   #129 
  - Scientology is totally bogus. That is a fact easily provable.  Lint Head   Jan-03-09 12:10 PM   #17 
  - What religion isn't?  Beaverhausen   Jan-03-09 01:06 PM   #43 
  - yes, but...  druidity33   Jan-03-09 05:15 PM   #81 
  - It's like Amway, they make their money off the training materials.  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 10:46 PM   #102 
  - What makes Scientology different  Pithlet   Jan-04-09 12:58 AM   #112 
  - WAY BACK, My dad was in Jail with Hubbard... He has told me some stories  Ioo   Jan-04-09 12:46 AM   #108 
  - Basically if they say it is a religion it is a religion.  Warren Stupidity   Jan-03-09 12:21 PM   #21 
  - There are some key differences, though.  Pithlet   Jan-03-09 12:52 PM   #34 
  - There are plenty of religions that won't let you participate if you don't pay.  Warren Stupidity   Jan-03-09 01:07 PM   #44 
  - I didn't say it completely disqualifies it from being a religion.  Pithlet   Jan-03-09 03:53 PM   #59 
     - You don't have to pay?  Warren Stupidity   Jan-03-09 07:50 PM   #88 
        - No. You don't.  Pithlet   Jan-03-09 11:46 PM   #105 
           - That is an awful argument.  Warren Stupidity   Jan-04-09 09:58 AM   #118 
  - "I do not agree with smearing the Travoltas right now"  ColbertWatcher   Jan-04-09 12:49 AM   #109 
     - What I meant was I don't think there's enough information, yet.  Pithlet   Jan-04-09 01:25 AM   #113 
        - The problem is that the cult is very secretive.  ColbertWatcher   Jan-04-09 01:33 AM   #114 
           - No doubt, Scientology as an organization is a secretive cult.  Pithlet   Jan-04-09 01:42 AM   #115 
              - I hope you're correct.  ColbertWatcher   Jan-04-09 02:17 AM   #116 
  - They call themselves a science in Israel. What religion does that?  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 02:42 PM   #51 
  - Scientology?  Warren Stupidity   Jan-03-09 03:24 PM   #58 
  - I think Confession probably served more of a purpose before  dflprincess   Jan-03-09 09:50 PM   #93 
  - Hmm. Where to start?  ColbertWatcher   Jan-04-09 12:41 AM   #107 
     - it really doesn't matter if confession is free or not  Warren Stupidity   Jan-04-09 01:23 PM   #130 
  - Sure it's a religion  DavidD   Jan-03-09 12:31 PM   #25 
  - Yeah like rattle snakes in your mailbox.  Lint Head   Jan-03-09 12:56 PM   #37 
  - I wish we could start taxing them.  quantessd   Jan-03-09 01:05 PM   #41 
  - There has to be a way for churches to be taxed. n/t  ColbertWatcher   Jan-03-09 04:59 PM   #78 
  - You seem obsessed with this group- what is your experience with them personally?  Beaverhausen   Jan-03-09 01:06 PM   #42 
  - Good question.  emilyg   Jan-03-09 01:12 PM   #45 
  - truly...  Tuesday Afternoon   Jan-03-09 01:33 PM   #50 
  - I wonder too.  ColbertWatcher   Jan-03-09 04:16 PM   #62 
     - I happen to know many scientologists personally  Beaverhausen   Jan-03-09 04:22 PM   #65 
     - There are many people who've never ...  ColbertWatcher   Jan-03-09 04:31 PM   #69 
     - but people here are making assumptions about the Travolta's treatment of their son  Beaverhausen   Jan-03-09 04:37 PM   #71 
        - You're making an assumption that the reported facts are concrete.  ColbertWatcher   Jan-03-09 04:48 PM   #74 
        - I'm not making any assumptions  Beaverhausen   Jan-03-09 04:53 PM   #75 
           - But you have, and have again.  ColbertWatcher   Jan-03-09 04:58 PM   #77 
              - show me where I have made assumptions about how Jett died?  Beaverhausen   Jan-03-09 05:08 PM   #80 
                 - That's not what I said. Don't change the subject.  ColbertWatcher   Jan-03-09 09:23 PM   #91 
        - Have you ever heard of him speak of his son?  np33   Jan-03-09 10:24 PM   #96 
           - Got a link on this? HOLY SHIT!  originalpckelly   Jan-04-09 02:27 AM   #117 
              - Here's the direct link  np33   Jan-04-09 10:46 AM   #119 
                 - Wow! We can't be sure about this, it's second hand news...but  originalpckelly   Jan-04-09 11:34 AM   #120 
                    - In my opinion  np33   Jan-04-09 11:56 AM   #122 
     - Do they live or work for Scientology, or are they on the outside?  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 06:50 PM   #84 
     - yeah, I can not say anything in defense of Scientology and I think  Tuesday Afternoon   Jan-03-09 04:36 PM   #70 
        - No one wants to believe that a parent would ever kill their own child.  ColbertWatcher   Jan-03-09 04:42 PM   #72 
        - Having worked in the medical field, I have experienced this when  Tuesday Afternoon   Jan-03-09 04:47 PM   #73 
        - And to assume they would be responsible, is not right...  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 06:52 PM   #85 
           - Are you wanting me to argue with you about something?  Tuesday Afternoon   Jan-03-09 07:40 PM   #87 
              - Not really, but I doubt they have that type of control over themselves...  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 10:48 PM   #104 
  - I have personal experience with them - They declared me an SP2 and threatened to sue me  slackmaster   Jan-04-09 11:36 AM   #121 
  - Yes, Scientology is a criminal enterprise, but...  chrisa   Jan-03-09 01:27 PM   #48 
  - They use extortion just like Jim Jones did.  Lint Head   Jan-03-09 02:53 PM   #52 
     - Jim Jones = Precisely!  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 03:11 PM   #55 
        - I don't think they're a death cult, there's no profit in that.  ColbertWatcher   Jan-03-09 04:11 PM   #61 
           - Neither was the People's Temple....until  SoCalDem   Jan-03-09 08:09 PM   #90 
              - True, but Co$ is not restricted to one (living) guy at the top ...  ColbertWatcher   Jan-03-09 09:54 PM   #94 
                 - I think there are more than a few...  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 10:47 PM   #103 
                    - You're probably correct.  ColbertWatcher   Jan-04-09 12:52 AM   #110 
  - We wacky woohoos:  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 03:07 PM   #53 
  - This video shows the irrational behavior, it's clear how disturbed these people are...  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 03:14 PM   #56 
     - My 2 cents....John Travolta and his family have set a good example  Gin   Jan-03-09 04:16 PM   #63 
        - Unless you know them personally, there is no way for you to know ...  ColbertWatcher   Jan-03-09 04:25 PM   #66 
  - This is b/s. Go back to supermarket tabloids and leave the irresponsible speculation  K Gardner   Jan-03-09 05:01 PM   #79 
  - But wait! All of these people are experts on Kawasaki's Disease, seizure disorders and  likesmountains 52   Jan-03-09 06:41 PM   #83 
     - Come on. Don't criticize the famil; how could they know that KD was a bad diagnosis!? n/t  ColbertWatcher   Jan-03-09 09:30 PM   #92 
  - TWO of them?  LWolf   Jan-03-09 08:06 PM   #89 
  - You do  np33   Jan-03-09 10:18 PM   #95 
  - I do realize that, of course.  LWolf   Jan-04-09 12:12 PM   #124 
  - Dianetics: The Modern SCIENCE of Mental Health  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 10:43 PM   #98 
     - Yes, you are missing something.  LWolf   Jan-04-09 12:00 PM   #123 
  - You mean the flying saucers wern't enough of a clue?  L0oniX   Jan-03-09 10:26 PM   #97 
  - They must have run out of virgin birth stories..n/t  PassingFair   Jan-03-09 10:43 PM   #99 
  - I think we all know who Santa's calling a ho.  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 10:45 PM   #101 
  - I'm awaiting the GYANT KITTEH OF DUME!  originalpckelly   Jan-03-09 10:44 PM   #100 
  - What's a religion?  JackRiddler   Jan-04-09 12:56 AM   #111 
  - Please respond in this thread:  LWolf   Jan-04-09 12:39 PM   #126 
  - don't hold your breath  Beaverhausen   Jan-04-09 01:12 PM   #128 
  - I didn't, lol. nt  LWolf   Jan-04-09 06:45 PM   #136 
  - Again why  babythunder   Jan-04-09 01:27 PM   #131 
  - I'm not sure what you mean by "again," but  LWolf   Jan-04-09 06:50 PM   #137 
  - You do realize that most celebrities pay  babythunder   Jan-05-09 09:59 PM   #140 
     - Of course I realize that most celebrities  LWolf   Jan-06-09 08:23 AM   #141 
  - The attorney was a freind. nt  CraftyGal   Jan-05-09 09:52 PM   #139 
  - Okay ...  ColbertWatcher   Jan-04-09 03:52 PM   #135 
  - Catch 22  LittleClarkie   Jan-04-09 01:58 PM   #132 
     - Umm when did I say it would  babythunder   Jan-04-09 02:23 PM   #133 
        - Wasn't talking to you  LittleClarkie   Jan-05-09 08:39 PM   #138 
 

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