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Sat Jan-03-09 12:59 PM
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| 38. I have backed my assertions up with published links |
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Where are your facts to assert I have been misleading? What EXACTLY is your problem? If you want to think the parents were at blame, go ahead--perhaps they were. There is an alternative explanation for the death, however and I present that based on what has been reported publicly about the child and his medical history...
I won't be responding to you further, as you seem to have some agenda that I am not privy to and which you are turning towards me in a personal attack. I find THAT misleading, at the very least. Have a nice day.
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| -Let me show you something, and it shows why I'm suspicious of Scientology in re Jett Travolta: |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 11:18 AM |
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Yeah, but that doesn't |
pabsungenis |
Jan-03-09 11:19 AM |
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No, you're right, it does not. |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 11:22 AM |
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If they follow the tenets of the cult, that child was denied basic care. |
MADem |
Jan-03-09 11:22 AM |
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Nope. |
jeff30997 |
Jan-03-09 11:22 AM |
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To this day, I believe it's in Israel... |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 11:23 AM |
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I think for the famous or wanna be it starts out |
Lifetimedem |
Jan-03-09 11:28 AM |
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It's really pretty fucked up, they "audit" you for all the shit you've in your past... |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 11:30 AM |
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which might be why they stay AND PAY |
Lifetimedem |
Jan-03-09 03:09 PM |
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I've known one member |
Pithlet |
Jan-04-09 12:28 AM |
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He suffered the chronic effects of Kawasaki Syndrome... |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 11:23 AM |
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Kawasaki's Disease/Syndrome is not common in children over the age of 8. |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 11:24 AM |
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In addition, when children to die from it... |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 11:27 AM |
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Arrhythimas are a common sequelae. Death from arrhythmias |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 12:30 PM |
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It is most common in males under 5 the chrobnic effects are lifetime |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 12:28 PM |
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His death would not be unexpected? |
redqueen |
Jan-03-09 11:27 AM |
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Scientology. |
Liberal_Lurker |
Jan-03-09 11:30 AM |
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Complications of Kawasaki include cornary artery dilitations |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 12:36 PM |
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1% |
redqueen |
Jan-03-09 12:39 PM |
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not totally unexpected. |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 12:43 PM |
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IMO your comments have been extremely misleading. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jan-03-09 12:51 PM |
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I work and publish in the field |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 12:54 PM |
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deleted |
redqueen |
Jan-03-09 01:02 PM |
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Check your PMs. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jan-03-09 01:18 PM |
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thank you... |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 01:26 PM |
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You may do work in the field, but ... |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-03-09 04:08 PM |
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the autopsy should (hopefully) provide the answers... |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 06:32 PM |
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Thank |
mzmolly |
Jan-03-09 04:29 PM |
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... |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 06:41 PM |
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. |
mzmolly |
Jan-03-09 07:18 PM |
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There are drugs to prevent the seizures. |
Lint Head |
Jan-03-09 12:11 PM |
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and you know that he wasn't on these drugs? |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 12:27 PM |
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John Travolta's Son: Meds Ultimately Did Harm |
mountainvue |
Jan-04-09 12:44 PM |
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Acute death years later is not that uncommon from Kawasaki |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 12:38 PM |
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Please state the reason you use the phrase "not that uncommon". |
redqueen |
Jan-03-09 12:40 PM |
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Depends on your perspective... |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 12:45 PM |
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Yes... |
redqueen |
Jan-03-09 12:52 PM |
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I have backed my assertions up with published links |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 12:59 PM |
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For me this isn't about the Travoltas. |
redqueen |
Jan-03-09 01:04 PM |
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Death is quite rare among all children affected with Kawasaki's |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 01:30 PM |
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I already did in my previous response. eom |
hlthe2b |
Jan-03-09 12:47 PM |
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Which don't work 100% of the time |
proud2Blib |
Jan-03-09 04:30 PM |
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no way, not at his age and not the way he died |
Hamlette |
Jan-03-09 04:18 PM |
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Most medical professionals |
babythunder |
Jan-04-09 12:21 PM |
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Maybe. |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-04-09 03:50 PM |
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Minister, Reverend, Doctor: "we" are way toooo loose in "our" use of these words. |
patrice |
Jan-03-09 11:36 AM |
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Boy, do you have that right!!! |
Delphinus |
Jan-03-09 11:43 AM |
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Indeed. |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 11:52 AM |
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My experience of Minister and Reverand is that these are people who have decided |
patrice |
Jan-03-09 11:57 AM |
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BTW, my comments in this thread may become quite relevant when we turn our attention to |
patrice |
Jan-03-09 12:12 PM |
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And the word Doctor is going to come under scrutiny if/when we get to include |
patrice |
Jan-03-09 12:19 PM |
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This better not happen |
alarimer |
Jan-03-09 03:14 PM |
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Well, with the GOP's injection of their "right of conscience" rules ... |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-03-09 04:54 PM |
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I agree |
babythunder |
Jan-04-09 01:19 PM |
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Scientology is totally bogus. That is a fact easily provable. |
Lint Head |
Jan-03-09 12:10 PM |
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What religion isn't? |
Beaverhausen |
Jan-03-09 01:06 PM |
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yes, but... |
druidity33 |
Jan-03-09 05:15 PM |
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It's like Amway, they make their money off the training materials. |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 10:46 PM |
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What makes Scientology different |
Pithlet |
Jan-04-09 12:58 AM |
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WAY BACK, My dad was in Jail with Hubbard... He has told me some stories |
Ioo |
Jan-04-09 12:46 AM |
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Basically if they say it is a religion it is a religion. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-03-09 12:21 PM |
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There are some key differences, though. |
Pithlet |
Jan-03-09 12:52 PM |
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There are plenty of religions that won't let you participate if you don't pay. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-03-09 01:07 PM |
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I didn't say it completely disqualifies it from being a religion. |
Pithlet |
Jan-03-09 03:53 PM |
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You don't have to pay? |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-03-09 07:50 PM |
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No. You don't. |
Pithlet |
Jan-03-09 11:46 PM |
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That is an awful argument. |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-04-09 09:58 AM |
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"I do not agree with smearing the Travoltas right now" |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-04-09 12:49 AM |
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What I meant was I don't think there's enough information, yet. |
Pithlet |
Jan-04-09 01:25 AM |
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The problem is that the cult is very secretive. |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-04-09 01:33 AM |
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No doubt, Scientology as an organization is a secretive cult. |
Pithlet |
Jan-04-09 01:42 AM |
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I hope you're correct. |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-04-09 02:17 AM |
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They call themselves a science in Israel. What religion does that? |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 02:42 PM |
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Scientology? |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-03-09 03:24 PM |
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I think Confession probably served more of a purpose before |
dflprincess |
Jan-03-09 09:50 PM |
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Hmm. Where to start? |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-04-09 12:41 AM |
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it really doesn't matter if confession is free or not |
Warren Stupidity |
Jan-04-09 01:23 PM |
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Sure it's a religion |
DavidD |
Jan-03-09 12:31 PM |
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Yeah like rattle snakes in your mailbox. |
Lint Head |
Jan-03-09 12:56 PM |
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I wish we could start taxing them. |
quantessd |
Jan-03-09 01:05 PM |
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There has to be a way for churches to be taxed. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-03-09 04:59 PM |
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You seem obsessed with this group- what is your experience with them personally? |
Beaverhausen |
Jan-03-09 01:06 PM |
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Good question. |
emilyg |
Jan-03-09 01:12 PM |
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truly... |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Jan-03-09 01:33 PM |
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I wonder too. |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-03-09 04:16 PM |
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I happen to know many scientologists personally |
Beaverhausen |
Jan-03-09 04:22 PM |
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There are many people who've never ... |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-03-09 04:31 PM |
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but people here are making assumptions about the Travolta's treatment of their son |
Beaverhausen |
Jan-03-09 04:37 PM |
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You're making an assumption that the reported facts are concrete. |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-03-09 04:48 PM |
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I'm not making any assumptions |
Beaverhausen |
Jan-03-09 04:53 PM |
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But you have, and have again. |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-03-09 04:58 PM |
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show me where I have made assumptions about how Jett died? |
Beaverhausen |
Jan-03-09 05:08 PM |
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That's not what I said. Don't change the subject. |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-03-09 09:23 PM |
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Have you ever heard of him speak of his son? |
np33 |
Jan-03-09 10:24 PM |
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Got a link on this? HOLY SHIT! |
originalpckelly |
Jan-04-09 02:27 AM |
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Here's the direct link |
np33 |
Jan-04-09 10:46 AM |
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Wow! We can't be sure about this, it's second hand news...but |
originalpckelly |
Jan-04-09 11:34 AM |
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In my opinion |
np33 |
Jan-04-09 11:56 AM |
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Do they live or work for Scientology, or are they on the outside? |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 06:50 PM |
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yeah, I can not say anything in defense of Scientology and I think |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Jan-03-09 04:36 PM |
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No one wants to believe that a parent would ever kill their own child. |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-03-09 04:42 PM |
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Having worked in the medical field, I have experienced this when |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Jan-03-09 04:47 PM |
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And to assume they would be responsible, is not right... |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 06:52 PM |
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Are you wanting me to argue with you about something? |
Tuesday Afternoon |
Jan-03-09 07:40 PM |
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Not really, but I doubt they have that type of control over themselves... |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 10:48 PM |
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I have personal experience with them - They declared me an SP2 and threatened to sue me |
slackmaster |
Jan-04-09 11:36 AM |
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Yes, Scientology is a criminal enterprise, but... |
chrisa |
Jan-03-09 01:27 PM |
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They use extortion just like Jim Jones did. |
Lint Head |
Jan-03-09 02:53 PM |
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Jim Jones = Precisely! |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 03:11 PM |
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I don't think they're a death cult, there's no profit in that. |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-03-09 04:11 PM |
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Neither was the People's Temple....until |
SoCalDem |
Jan-03-09 08:09 PM |
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True, but Co$ is not restricted to one (living) guy at the top ... |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-03-09 09:54 PM |
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I think there are more than a few... |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 10:47 PM |
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You're probably correct. |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-04-09 12:52 AM |
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We wacky woohoos: |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 03:07 PM |
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This video shows the irrational behavior, it's clear how disturbed these people are... |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 03:14 PM |
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My 2 cents....John Travolta and his family have set a good example |
Gin |
Jan-03-09 04:16 PM |
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Unless you know them personally, there is no way for you to know ... |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-03-09 04:25 PM |
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This is b/s. Go back to supermarket tabloids and leave the irresponsible speculation |
K Gardner |
Jan-03-09 05:01 PM |
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But wait! All of these people are experts on Kawasaki's Disease, seizure disorders and |
likesmountains 52 |
Jan-03-09 06:41 PM |
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Come on. Don't criticize the famil; how could they know that KD was a bad diagnosis!? n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-03-09 09:30 PM |
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TWO of them? |
LWolf |
Jan-03-09 08:06 PM |
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You do |
np33 |
Jan-03-09 10:18 PM |
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I do realize that, of course. |
LWolf |
Jan-04-09 12:12 PM |
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Dianetics: The Modern SCIENCE of Mental Health |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 10:43 PM |
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Yes, you are missing something. |
LWolf |
Jan-04-09 12:00 PM |
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You mean the flying saucers wern't enough of a clue? |
L0oniX |
Jan-03-09 10:26 PM |
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They must have run out of virgin birth stories..n/t |
PassingFair |
Jan-03-09 10:43 PM |
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I think we all know who Santa's calling a ho. |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 10:45 PM |
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I'm awaiting the GYANT KITTEH OF DUME! |
originalpckelly |
Jan-03-09 10:44 PM |
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What's a religion? |
JackRiddler |
Jan-04-09 12:56 AM |
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Please respond in this thread: |
LWolf |
Jan-04-09 12:39 PM |
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don't hold your breath |
Beaverhausen |
Jan-04-09 01:12 PM |
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I didn't, lol. nt |
LWolf |
Jan-04-09 06:45 PM |
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Again why |
babythunder |
Jan-04-09 01:27 PM |
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I'm not sure what you mean by "again," but |
LWolf |
Jan-04-09 06:50 PM |
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You do realize that most celebrities pay |
babythunder |
Jan-05-09 09:59 PM |
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Of course I realize that most celebrities |
LWolf |
Jan-06-09 08:23 AM |
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The attorney was a freind. nt |
CraftyGal |
Jan-05-09 09:52 PM |
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Okay ... |
ColbertWatcher |
Jan-04-09 03:52 PM |
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Catch 22 |
LittleClarkie |
Jan-04-09 01:58 PM |
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Umm when did I say it would |
babythunder |
Jan-04-09 02:23 PM |
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Wasn't talking to you |
LittleClarkie |
Jan-05-09 08:39 PM |
#138 |
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