Fire_Medic_Dave
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Fri Jan-02-09 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #70 |
| 75. We had a system where I lived during college. |
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It was called TennCare, it was a disaster. From all reports it is still causing problems for the state of Tennessee. So are you saying there will be no lawsuits if we have universal healthcare? Medical calls are the most costly expense for our fire department. I would love to see the study that shows half of all bankruptcies are caused by health care cost. I have heard that figure before but I have never seen where that figure came from.
David
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| -Why people think they like their employer-paid health insurance |
eridani |
Jan-01-09 07:55 AM |
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People like it because the employer contributes to paying for it. |
undeterred |
Jan-01-09 08:07 AM |
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But employees are paying for it indirectly |
eridani |
Jan-01-09 08:25 AM |
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Don't forget co-pays and deductibles. It's a hose job. |
geckosfeet |
Jan-01-09 09:01 AM |
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That's Hardly The Question |
ProfessorGAC |
Jan-01-09 10:06 AM |
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Another healthy person that has never gotten expensively sick |
eridani |
Jan-01-09 10:54 AM |
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Try To Keep Up, Please |
ProfessorGAC |
Jan-02-09 11:02 AM |
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You'd get the same coverage under single payer cheaper |
eridani |
Jan-02-09 12:19 PM |
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I Already Said That |
ProfessorGAC |
Jan-02-09 06:44 PM |
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Same coverage - less cost. Probably better coverage. Try it - you will like it! |
geckosfeet |
Jan-01-09 11:27 AM |
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I Already Said That |
ProfessorGAC |
Jan-02-09 10:59 AM |
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Edward's plan was a good idea |
Juche |
Jan-01-09 12:38 PM |
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This is why insurance and health care are a bad marriage. |
Cleita |
Jan-01-09 01:48 PM |
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Insurance thieves would never tolerate the Edwards regulations |
eridani |
Jan-02-09 03:50 AM |
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But if we had universal health care paid for through our tax dollars, your employer |
CTyankee |
Jan-01-09 09:56 AM |
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Well, that's a myth. |
Cleita |
Jan-01-09 01:50 PM |
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No, socialized health care spreads the risk around the entire population. |
CTyankee |
Jan-01-09 02:11 PM |
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Would you like to pay 485 for a year? You could, in a federal system |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jan-01-09 01:51 PM |
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That is a private insurance scheme for healthy adult working people |
eridani |
Jan-02-09 03:51 AM |
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"GET the Insurance Companies OUT of the Medical decision making process. |
RC |
Jan-01-09 08:07 AM |
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I agree completely. |
undeterred |
Jan-01-09 08:09 AM |
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Are you sure that's a good idea? |
MajorChode |
Jan-01-09 06:49 PM |
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The profit motive would be removed. |
RC |
Jan-01-09 07:30 PM |
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I agree |
MajorChode |
Jan-01-09 09:02 PM |
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please provide a link to verify this allegation of yours |
Donnachaidh |
Jan-01-09 09:16 PM |
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No need to prove something I never claimed |
MajorChode |
Jan-02-09 09:06 AM |
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Where did you get the "Twice per Capita" cost number |
FreakinDJ |
Jan-01-09 08:09 AM |
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For Example... |
MannyGoldstein |
Jan-01-09 08:17 AM |
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Gotta love DU. Look at socialist Sweden, less than half of US. |
Festivito |
Jan-01-09 05:40 PM |
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Sweden has a population of 9 million. 8 million are ethnic Swedes. |
deaniac21 |
Jan-02-09 11:14 AM |
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Then look at the next sentence. Then, who would you like to compare. |
Festivito |
Jan-02-09 11:57 AM |
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I'm not sure any other country in the world will compare to our |
deaniac21 |
Jan-02-09 03:15 PM |
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Compared to McCain's tax rebate to getting rid of employer health care |
dmordue |
Jan-01-09 08:12 AM |
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McCain's plan was an absolute disaster. Of course you don't give up |
eridani |
Jan-01-09 08:26 AM |
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You Know What Though? |
Crisco |
Jan-02-09 12:02 PM |
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Also, Every President For The Past 28 Years Has Urged Us To Hate Government Programs |
MannyGoldstein |
Jan-01-09 08:13 AM |
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What's this. Your permanent file indicates a 'medical condition'. Employment Application: "Rejected" |
Broadslidin |
Jan-01-09 08:18 AM |
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which is why I stay where I am... |
w8liftinglady |
Jan-01-09 11:50 AM |
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The complexity of those policies. |
cyclezealot |
Jan-01-09 08:24 AM |
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It's not free. No one should believe that RW myth that free loading old people |
Cleita |
Jan-01-09 02:03 PM |
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Bravo |
cyclezealot |
Jan-02-09 03:27 AM |
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focus needs to be on people getting access to health care |
radfringe |
Jan-01-09 08:29 AM |
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In most other industrialized countries |
eridani |
Jan-01-09 08:35 AM |
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Yep, as Michael Moore pointed out in "Sicko", he only needed to travel |
Cleita |
Jan-01-09 01:52 PM |
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Its not healthcare here, its health management. By huge "for profit" companies. nt |
cabluedem |
Jan-01-09 10:05 AM |
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having just gone through the incredible BULLSHIT of signing on for Medicare D insurance program |
Donnachaidh |
Jan-01-09 08:35 AM |
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I am SO not looking forward to part D! n/t |
eridani |
Jan-01-09 08:37 AM |
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Medicare D |
wiboy |
Jan-01-09 11:14 AM |
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I wish I could. |
Donnachaidh |
Jan-01-09 12:12 PM |
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Because I don't have to pay for it |
proud2Blib |
Jan-01-09 08:36 AM |
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Sure you do |
Donnachaidh |
Jan-01-09 12:21 PM |
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Yep, like that kid with the infected tooth whose mom didn't have $80 to get it extracted |
eridani |
Jan-02-09 04:01 AM |
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For profit health care was abolished as an abomination in the 20th century. |
kickysnana |
Jan-01-09 08:41 AM |
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I would rather have employer contributions in my 401k or paycheck. |
geckosfeet |
Jan-01-09 08:58 AM |
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I have been trying like heck to convince my coworkers |
exboyfil |
Jan-01-09 09:06 AM |
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The problem is that they know nothing at all about their insurance |
eridani |
Jan-01-09 09:30 AM |
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k&r |
area51 |
Jan-01-09 10:04 AM |
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Ask your doctor how s/he likes the insurance companies |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jan-01-09 09:09 AM |
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My doctor openly told me that my insurance company stinks. |
peace13 |
Jan-01-09 09:26 AM |
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Her options in that regard suck as badly as they do for other small businesses n/t |
eridani |
Jan-01-09 09:35 AM |
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My dentist sent his patients a letter when we changed |
exboyfil |
Jan-01-09 10:06 AM |
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Some are worse than others, regardless of how awesome your billing dept. is. |
knitter4democracy |
Jan-01-09 10:15 AM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Jan-01-09 10:28 AM |
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but employers choose plans that serve THEIR interests |
unblock |
Jan-01-09 11:18 AM |
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True dat. Unfortunately, since they won't likely be in that situation-- |
eridani |
Jan-01-09 11:48 AM |
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unblock, that's a gross generalization that's unfair to those employers who try to get |
bertman |
Jan-01-09 01:04 PM |
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of course there are exceptions, and kudos for doing what you can as an employer |
unblock |
Jan-01-09 01:42 PM |
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Thanks. I'm sorry to hear about your ongoing struggle to get decent treatment. |
bertman |
Jan-01-09 03:52 PM |
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well i get decent treatment -- eventually. but it's proof the private sector is NOT efficient |
unblock |
Jan-01-09 06:06 PM |
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Excellent points, unblock. Tonight I'm on a tear about the new addendum to Zeitgeist, |
bertman |
Jan-01-09 11:24 PM |
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And despite their best efforts, most of you STILL don't know whether it's any good |
eridani |
Jan-02-09 04:05 AM |
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We have supposedly great employer-paid insurance |
gollygee |
Jan-01-09 11:20 AM |
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Bells and whistles are fine by me |
eridani |
Jan-01-09 11:50 AM |
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BTW folks--change.gov is again open for questions n/t |
eridani |
Jan-01-09 11:51 AM |
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WITH employer-paid health insurance,my medical bills were 20,000 this year. |
w8liftinglady |
Jan-01-09 01:07 PM |
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I'm unsure how I feel about universal healthcare but you make some excellent points. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-01-09 01:32 PM |
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It isn't the legal system that causes doctors to do so much defensive medicine |
eridani |
Jan-02-09 04:16 AM |
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We had a system where I lived during college. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-02-09 11:00 AM |
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It was a disaster because it was underfunded |
eridani |
Jan-02-09 12:09 PM |
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It wasn't underfunded initially. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Jan-02-09 03:14 PM |
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The only way to stop underfunding of public health care is to stop the theft |
eridani |
Jan-04-09 08:13 AM |
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Because it is better than no insurance |
gravity |
Jan-01-09 01:54 PM |
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My fiancee likes her work's insurance because |
WilliamPitt |
Jan-01-09 01:58 PM |
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How many others on the plan get screwed because they don't get a deal like that? |
eridani |
Jan-02-09 04:19 AM |
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I like my employer paid health insurance |
pending |
Jan-01-09 06:11 PM |
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You are lucky. Insurance companies go through a great deal of trouble |
eridani |
Jan-02-09 04:20 AM |
#72 |
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