| 115. Not only that, gay folks work on a variety of other social issues, including veterans rights. |
| -The mistakes that we as straights are making |
Two Americas |
Dec-30-08 06:13 PM |
#0 |
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You should try to get this published as an OP -- k&r |
LostinVA |
Dec-30-08 07:03 PM |
#1 |
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Seriously, type this up and submit it as an Op-Ed to your local paper. |
Bucky |
Dec-30-08 07:07 PM |
#2 |
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Another great post Two Americas, once again you hit the nail on the head. |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-30-08 07:17 PM |
#3 |
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Hopefully, people will have enough self-honesty to read your post and take it to heart. |
readmoreoften |
Dec-30-08 07:18 PM |
#4 |
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thanks |
Two Americas |
Dec-30-08 10:04 PM |
#9 |
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Ok, you asked for it.... |
yowzayowzayowza |
Dec-31-08 01:39 AM |
#18 |
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your points are well taken |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 11:56 AM |
#59 |
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Again, I only see you emphasising that . . . |
defendandprotect |
Dec-31-08 11:44 PM |
#150 |
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Yes and no. |
yowzayowzayowza |
Jan-01-09 12:21 AM |
#154 |
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First, politics is personal . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jan-01-09 12:39 AM |
#155 |
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On your conclusion on gradualism and general principles we are in agreement. |
yowzayowzayowza |
Jan-01-09 12:57 AM |
#156 |
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Again, the response to Warren came from the world at large . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jan-01-09 01:15 AM |
#157 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Dec-31-08 10:16 AM |
#42 |
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Okay, I'll bite ... |
ColbertWatcher |
Dec-31-08 01:42 PM |
#86 |
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that is a great point |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 02:20 PM |
#93 |
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"do we cave in to fear, or do we go ahead in spite of our fears?" |
ColbertWatcher |
Dec-31-08 05:01 PM |
#124 |
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But, is everyone being accused of saying "get over it" really saying that? |
CTyankee |
Jan-01-09 02:55 PM |
#173 |
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A truly terrific post! |
Zenlitened |
Dec-30-08 07:25 PM |
#5 |
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Two Americas |
maryf |
Dec-30-08 09:00 PM |
#6 |
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What a Breath of Fresh Air! |
Crisco |
Dec-30-08 09:04 PM |
#7 |
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I don't think I've read a better argument for gay marriage anywhere, ever. |
PelosiFan |
Dec-30-08 09:31 PM |
#8 |
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hey thanks PelosiFan |
Two Americas |
Dec-30-08 10:30 PM |
#11 |
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Actually, there is a problem with the accusation of "get over it" where it should NOT be applied. |
CTyankee |
Jan-01-09 02:43 PM |
#170 |
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I agree |
Two Americas |
Jan-01-09 02:57 PM |
#174 |
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Thanks. You know, it works more than it doesn't, at least I've found it to be the case. |
CTyankee |
Jan-01-09 03:57 PM |
#182 |
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great read |
sundog |
Dec-30-08 10:08 PM |
#10 |
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here is what is odd |
Two Americas |
Dec-30-08 11:38 PM |
#14 |
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exactly. another K&R here (n/t) |
kenzee13 |
Dec-31-08 07:28 AM |
#21 |
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Precisely ! |
AntiFascist |
Dec-31-08 04:20 PM |
#117 |
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Beautiful. |
PeaceNikki |
Dec-30-08 10:45 PM |
#12 |
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K&R 1,000 times |
leftstreet |
Dec-30-08 11:21 PM |
#13 |
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very thought-provoking, about how people frame arguments themselves. excellent. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-30-08 11:45 PM |
#15 |
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Well done. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-30-08 11:50 PM |
#16 |
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K&R, excellent post! |
AntiFascist |
Dec-31-08 12:42 AM |
#17 |
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This is merely the beginning, of being told to let go of issues. |
Progs Rock |
Dec-31-08 03:43 AM |
#19 |
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K&R - you mentioned the point that too many miss |
EstimatedProphet |
Dec-31-08 06:59 AM |
#20 |
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I agree with you. This is an important point. Why should anyone tell someone else to calm down? |
rhett o rick |
Dec-31-08 09:54 AM |
#41 |
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You want to know the REAL mistake YOU are making |
nomad1776 |
Dec-31-08 07:29 AM |
#22 |
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LOL. That's all you got? |
crispini |
Dec-31-08 07:41 AM |
#24 |
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You can't build on a foundation of quicksand |
nomad1776 |
Dec-31-08 07:48 AM |
#25 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-31-08 08:19 AM |
#27 |
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It's idealism. I live in the real world. |
crispini |
Dec-31-08 09:41 AM |
#40 |
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We live in a real world, but we should be guided by ideals |
nomad1776 |
Dec-31-08 10:39 AM |
#48 |
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I'm not advocating labels. |
crispini |
Dec-31-08 11:56 AM |
#58 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-31-08 08:21 AM |
#29 |
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Nomads by definition don't have a place of their own to shit. |
asthmaticeog |
Dec-31-08 08:24 AM |
#30 |
| -
ha! |
sundog |
Dec-31-08 08:28 AM |
#31 |
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So.... they just shit any and everywhere, huh? |
PeaceNikki |
Dec-31-08 09:10 AM |
#35 |
| -
Evidently. |
asthmaticeog |
Dec-31-08 09:26 AM |
#38 |
| -
You want to see shitting by people thinking they are shitting rainbows |
nomad1776 |
Dec-31-08 03:22 PM |
#108 |
| -
This seems like a bit of Rovian projection on your part, no? |
Zenlitened |
Dec-31-08 04:32 PM |
#119 |
| -
You see what you want to see, rather than what is |
nomad1776 |
Dec-31-08 06:08 PM |
#131 |
| -
Projection. See also... |
Zenlitened |
Jan-01-09 11:17 AM |
#160 |
| -
We should call him Johnny Crappleseed. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Dec-31-08 10:34 AM |
#45 |
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!!! |
asthmaticeog |
Dec-31-08 11:05 AM |
#51 |
| -
.... |
Lorien |
Dec-31-08 02:53 PM |
#98 |
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Yeah you should go visit that thread |
nomad1776 |
Dec-31-08 03:20 PM |
#106 |
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That's truly one of the most idiotic responses I have ever seen on DU |
EstimatedProphet |
Dec-31-08 09:15 AM |
#37 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-31-08 01:51 PM |
#88 |
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We're a happy family, we're a happy family, |
bullwinkle428 |
Dec-31-08 10:35 AM |
#46 |
| -
thanks |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 11:52 AM |
#57 |
| -
I would take that statement at face value. |
yardwork |
Dec-31-08 01:26 PM |
#82 |
| -
now that is interesting |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 03:40 PM |
#111 |
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I've wondered about that a lot, too. As you know, the U.S. government funded psychological studies |
yardwork |
Dec-31-08 04:06 PM |
#114 |
| -
Easy to say that, annit, when you're a straight guy? |
Heidi |
Dec-31-08 12:30 PM |
#70 |
| -
Assuming someone might be straight is worse than 10 Gearge Bushes? |
Bette Noir |
Dec-31-08 12:46 PM |
#74 |
| -
LOL! |
yardwork |
Dec-31-08 01:24 PM |
#81 |
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That damned Barak Obama! He's trying to destoy us all with unimportant |
Lorien |
Dec-31-08 03:08 PM |
#104 |
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Thank you, I only wish you could have posted that in his other thread before it was locked. |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-31-08 03:25 PM |
#110 |
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k & r -- very well done! |
crispini |
Dec-31-08 07:38 AM |
#23 |
| -
Well said |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-31-08 08:05 AM |
#26 |
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Recommended, bookmarked and kicked. |
asthmaticeog |
Dec-31-08 08:19 AM |
#28 |
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Another vote for K&R 1000 times |
lukasahero |
Dec-31-08 08:29 AM |
#32 |
| -
K&R does not do this justice. |
blindpig |
Dec-31-08 08:56 AM |
#33 |
| -
Solidarity is the only way |
maryf |
Dec-31-08 12:18 PM |
#64 |
| -
Kicked and highly recommended! Thank you, Two Americas! Excellent post! |
Raster |
Dec-31-08 09:07 AM |
#34 |
| -
K&R |
ginbarn |
Dec-31-08 09:13 AM |
#36 |
| -
Very thoughtful, but I mostly disagree with you. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Dec-31-08 09:37 AM |
#39 |
| -
thanks |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 11:42 AM |
#55 |
| -
I have a dog in your fight because you're a human being, and you have one in "mine" |
yardwork |
Dec-31-08 01:34 PM |
#85 |
| -
Agreed. By not having a "dog in this fight" I meant the controversy here on DU. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Dec-31-08 11:08 PM |
#146 |
| -
Happy New Year to you, Waiting For Everyman |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 11:27 PM |
#148 |
| -
Thanks back to you, TA. :) |
Waiting For Everyman |
Dec-31-08 11:45 PM |
#151 |
| -
I feel strongly that this is a general civil rights, human rights, issue. |
yardwork |
Jan-02-09 11:04 PM |
#193 |
| -
Yup |
JerseygirlCT |
Jan-01-09 03:16 PM |
#177 |
| -
Chewing Gum and Walking |
Barbarien |
Dec-31-08 03:01 PM |
#101 |
| -
Not only that, gay folks work on a variety of other social issues, including veterans rights. |
yardwork |
Dec-31-08 04:12 PM |
#115 |
| -
yes.. |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 04:18 PM |
#116 |
| -
I have called Obama 'religiously bigoted'.... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-31-08 04:39 PM |
#121 |
| -
Bigoted? |
thefourthwall |
Jan-01-09 02:13 PM |
#168 |
| -
Welcome to DU, and I very much appreciate you engaging this dialog... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-01-09 02:53 PM |
#172 |
| -
I support the OP, but you also have good points. nm |
rhett o rick |
Dec-31-08 06:03 PM |
#129 |
| -
And there we see it yet again |
NWHarkness |
Dec-31-08 06:43 PM |
#137 |
| -
Ok... |
Waiting For Everyman |
Dec-31-08 11:29 PM |
#149 |
| -
I would suggest being more specific about who is making these mistakes. |
geckosfeet |
Dec-31-08 10:19 AM |
#43 |
| -
I have been |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 12:34 PM |
#72 |
| -
I am not sure what you have said. But I feel that talking about gay rights outside |
geckosfeet |
Dec-31-08 02:08 PM |
#92 |
| -
I hope that I am not doing that |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 03:00 PM |
#100 |
| -
Now THAT, sir, is going to leave a mark! K&R! |
bullwinkle428 |
Dec-31-08 10:30 AM |
#44 |
| -
Very nice post. The outrage over Warren is |
stillwaiting |
Dec-31-08 10:35 AM |
#47 |
| -
TwoAmericas, you are one heck of a |
Kajsa |
Dec-31-08 10:42 AM |
#49 |
| -
Brilliantly considered and beautifully expressed. |
elaineb |
Dec-31-08 10:42 AM |
#50 |
| -
Well Said |
fascisthunter |
Dec-31-08 11:17 AM |
#52 |
| -
My favorite part of your OP ... |
ColbertWatcher |
Dec-31-08 11:31 AM |
#53 |
| -
Thank you. You have expressed what so many have been feeling |
GinaMaria |
Dec-31-08 11:37 AM |
#54 |
| -
A masterpiece. Thank you. |
Neshanic |
Dec-31-08 11:47 AM |
#56 |
| -
Two Americas thank you for a well thought out and provoking |
MadMaddie |
Dec-31-08 11:59 AM |
#60 |
| -
Excellent. As always. K&R. n/t |
Horse with no Name |
Dec-31-08 12:02 PM |
#61 |
| -
Fantastic post!!! Bravo!!! |
racaulk |
Dec-31-08 12:08 PM |
#62 |
| -
Very Accurate Analysis of Discource and Some of the Problems. |
mentalslavery |
Dec-31-08 12:17 PM |
#63 |
| -
yes |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 12:22 PM |
#68 |
| -
Ding-ding |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Dec-31-08 12:18 PM |
#65 |
| -
Brilliant post |
Spryboy |
Dec-31-08 12:19 PM |
#66 |
| -
I agree -- that paragraph jumped off the page for me too. |
Zenlitened |
Dec-31-08 12:36 PM |
#73 |
| -
and how small of steps |
ImOnlySleeping |
Dec-31-08 04:30 PM |
#118 |
| -
This post is excellent on many counts |
Time for change |
Dec-31-08 12:19 PM |
#67 |
| -
good point |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 12:29 PM |
#69 |
| -
That's what it sounded to me like |
Time for change |
Dec-31-08 03:02 PM |
#102 |
| -
it can be both |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 03:23 PM |
#109 |
| -
Yes, it can be either or both |
Time for change |
Dec-31-08 03:46 PM |
#113 |
| -
Meta-understanding is called for... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-31-08 07:51 PM |
#143 |
| -
I agree 100%. |
Bette Noir |
Dec-31-08 12:34 PM |
#71 |
| -
Individual Rights are an inherent liberty, not awarded by human power. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-31-08 12:48 PM |
#75 |
| -
yes |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 02:06 PM |
#90 |
| -
Being for civil rights but opposing tactics is a kind of irony. |
bluedawg12 |
Dec-31-08 05:00 PM |
#123 |
| -
Very Well Stated |
Mike Nelson |
Dec-31-08 12:59 PM |
#76 |
| -
Brilliant post |
enigmatic |
Dec-31-08 01:01 PM |
#77 |
| -
it's partly the other way around |
Enrique |
Dec-31-08 01:18 PM |
#78 |
| -
good points there, thanks |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 02:45 PM |
#96 |
| -
LABELEVATION: the act of elevating name-calling as highest offense. |
valerief |
Dec-31-08 01:18 PM |
#79 |
| -
i love this -- and you should submit it -- but please, please remember |
xchrom |
Dec-31-08 01:21 PM |
#80 |
| -
Not sure what you mean by this - I think that human rights are everyone's struggle. |
yardwork |
Dec-31-08 01:28 PM |
#83 |
| -
I recommend this to the DU Admins. It explains everything that is happening here. |
yardwork |
Dec-31-08 01:29 PM |
#84 |
| -
Somehow, it seems appropriate |
Oeditpus Rex |
Dec-31-08 01:45 PM |
#87 |
| -
I agree that this is the post of the year. I think it's the single best post I've ever seen. |
yardwork |
Dec-31-08 01:52 PM |
#89 |
| -
Mickey Mantle |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 02:57 PM |
#99 |
| -
The last time he hit against McLain, yeah |
Oeditpus Rex |
Dec-31-08 03:45 PM |
#112 |
| -
I think that is the first time |
Chovexani |
Dec-31-08 06:51 PM |
#138 |
| -
lol |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 07:07 PM |
#139 |
| -
Hee. You bet. |
Chovexani |
Dec-31-08 07:13 PM |
#140 |
| -
Softball? |
Oeditpus Rex |
Dec-31-08 09:54 PM |
#145 |
| -
LOL |
Chovexani |
Jan-01-09 05:41 PM |
#186 |
| -
K&R |
varelse |
Dec-31-08 02:08 PM |
#91 |
| -
k & r! |
MPK |
Dec-31-08 02:29 PM |
#94 |
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What a wonderful, thoughtful essay TA. Thank you for this and all your posts! |
saracat |
Dec-31-08 02:29 PM |
#95 |
| -
K & R. Either everyone is free and has equal rights or none of us are |
Lorien |
Dec-31-08 02:50 PM |
#97 |
| -
we shouldn't forget |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 03:15 PM |
#105 |
| -
Right on! |
Lorien |
Dec-31-08 03:21 PM |
#107 |
| -
IMO . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jan-01-09 12:07 AM |
#152 |
| -
I think this post deserves two thumbs up! |
Solon |
Dec-31-08 03:04 PM |
#103 |
| -
Well stated! Thank you, What is Sad is that Obama's decision |
Riverman |
Dec-31-08 04:34 PM |
#120 |
| -
Obama did it, on purpose. He's gonna hurt all sides working towards the center. |
scubadude |
Dec-31-08 04:46 PM |
#122 |
| -
I'll believe that Obama is sincere about this when he honors a prominent white supremacist. |
yardwork |
Dec-31-08 06:16 PM |
#134 |
| -
You make a nice overall case but |
TheKentuckian |
Dec-31-08 05:06 PM |
#125 |
| -
response |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 05:54 PM |
#127 |
| -
K&R - simple, well thought, reasoned plea to realize we must speak up - always! eom |
themartyred |
Dec-31-08 05:22 PM |
#126 |
| -
K&R Excellent, excellent post. |
Pithlet |
Dec-31-08 06:03 PM |
#128 |
| -
K & Rec 100. Good post. nm |
rhett o rick |
Dec-31-08 06:04 PM |
#130 |
| -
Posts like this are why DU remains such a great resource. |
JeffR |
Dec-31-08 06:15 PM |
#132 |
| -
This has to be one of the best things I've read on DU. |
myrna minx |
Dec-31-08 06:16 PM |
#133 |
| -
I agree with most of your very well-put points, |
liberalhistorian |
Dec-31-08 06:40 PM |
#135 |
| -
thanks |
Two Americas |
Dec-31-08 07:19 PM |
#141 |
| -
Delete, double |
liberalhistorian |
Dec-31-08 06:40 PM |
#136 |
| -
GLBTQ??? |
QuestionAll |
Dec-31-08 07:48 PM |
#142 |
| -
Queer |
jonmiller74 |
Jan-01-09 01:02 PM |
#164 |
| -
i guess i'm not following... |
QuestionAll |
Jan-02-09 02:08 AM |
#189 |
| -
Some gay people prefer the term "queer" as it is all-inclusive. |
yardwork |
Jan-02-09 11:08 PM |
#194 |
| -
... |
QuestionAll |
Jan-04-09 12:19 AM |
#196 |
| -
What a great post |
gollygee |
Dec-31-08 07:53 PM |
#144 |
| -
It's hard to believe that you could have ever been even a bit on the wrong side . . . |
defendandprotect |
Dec-31-08 11:20 PM |
#147 |
| -
tv |
Two Americas |
Jan-01-09 02:44 PM |
#171 |
| -
So true, Two Americas... |
maryf |
Jan-01-09 03:25 PM |
#180 |
| -
yes, very difficult to even discuss things outside the tv-imposed frame. |
Hannah Bell |
Jan-01-09 03:28 PM |
#181 |
| -
"why do you think they call it Programming" |
maryf |
Jan-01-09 04:40 PM |
#184 |
| -
Me, too -- haven't watched "news" in decades . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jan-02-09 11:00 PM |
#192 |
| -
LATE K&R . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jan-01-09 12:12 AM |
#153 |
| -
Excellent writing. Bookmarking. |
baby_mouse |
Jan-01-09 10:12 AM |
#158 |
| -
absolutely |
Two Americas |
Jan-01-09 12:36 PM |
#161 |
| -
An outstanding post. Thank you n/t |
DeanDem10 |
Jan-01-09 10:24 AM |
#159 |
| -
Thank you. K&R |
jonmiller74 |
Jan-01-09 12:54 PM |
#162 |
| -
I realized when Scalia told us to get over Florida |
catrose |
Jan-01-09 12:58 PM |
#163 |
| -
"get over it" |
Two Americas |
Jan-01-09 02:27 PM |
#169 |
| -
Bravo - thank you very much |
ruggerson |
Jan-01-09 01:03 PM |
#165 |
| -
Very thoughtful post - especially about the lying |
Iwillnevergiveup |
Jan-01-09 01:32 PM |
#166 |
| -
Well, at least a kick |
Iwillnevergiveup |
Jan-01-09 01:33 PM |
#167 |
| -
K&R n/t |
IndianaGreen |
Jan-01-09 03:13 PM |
#175 |
| -
Too late to recommend, but I wish I could |
JerseygirlCT |
Jan-01-09 03:13 PM |
#176 |
| -
I beg to differ slightly |
quaker bill |
Jan-01-09 03:17 PM |
#178 |
| -
I agree with you on that |
JerseygirlCT |
Jan-01-09 03:19 PM |
#179 |
| -
yes |
Two Americas |
Jan-01-09 04:11 PM |
#183 |
| -
I also think there is a subtle difference between... |
AntiFascist |
Jan-01-09 05:12 PM |
#185 |
| -
big difference I think |
Two Americas |
Jan-01-09 06:25 PM |
#187 |
| -
Another Thumbs up! |
curt_b |
Jan-02-09 10:00 AM |
#190 |
| -
exactly right |
Two Americas |
Jan-02-09 07:01 PM |
#191 |
| -
Remember, though, that there is no such thing as "gay leadership." |
yardwork |
Jan-02-09 11:15 PM |
#195 |
| -
Kick and I wish I could rec. |
carpentrerman |
Jan-01-09 11:32 PM |
#188 |
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