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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 04:32 PM
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24. I disagree. I think we have a chance at a new paradigm.
We have a shot at approaching differences from a standpoint of looking for consensus, not "winning".

If the precursors of this change manifest as things like letting Warren read a 3-minute invocation, I think that's ok.
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  -My one and only OP on Warren. Why I'm not outraged.... MercutioATC  Dec-25-08 02:23 PM   #0 
  - Warren wasn't chosen "at random." Obama chose to have this hate monger represent us to the world.nt  MookieWilson   Dec-25-08 02:25 PM   #1 
  - OP edited to remove the word "random".  MercutioATC   Dec-25-08 02:29 PM   #3 
  - Thank you.  MookieWilson   Dec-25-08 02:29 PM   #5 
     - You too!  MercutioATC   Dec-25-08 02:33 PM   #6 
        - Too bad Obama didn't pick a less hateful preacher  WillYourVoteBCounted   Dec-25-08 05:07 PM   #33 
  - From the view of his constituency  RandomThoughts   Dec-25-08 05:15 PM   #35 
     - You got it. MLK and Gandhi got it also, and they were able to change the world because they got it.  IsItJustMe   Dec-25-08 07:48 PM   #44 
  - All I have to say is:  nomad1776   Dec-25-08 02:25 PM   #2 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-25-08 02:57 PM   #10 
  - i'm also an atheist  sweets   Dec-25-08 02:29 PM   #4 
  - Athiests/Agnostics are used to indulging religious people on any wacky thing they may want to do/say  dkf   Dec-25-08 02:38 PM   #7 
  - I have a secret wish that Obama is lulling  roody   Dec-25-08 02:43 PM   #8 
  - My wish is that he's living up to his campaign rhetoric...  MercutioATC   Dec-25-08 02:55 PM   #9 
     - He can be President of all U.S. citizens without ...  ColbertWatcher   Dec-25-08 03:26 PM   #13 
     - I understand where you're coming from, but I don't see it as throwing anybody under the bus.  MercutioATC   Dec-25-08 03:39 PM   #15 
        - Sorry, this is politics as usual.  ColbertWatcher   Dec-25-08 03:57 PM   #17 
           - Perspective, my dear ColbertWatcher...  MercutioATC   Dec-25-08 04:13 PM   #19 
              - I'm sorry, but again, you're mistaken.  ColbertWatcher   Dec-25-08 04:16 PM   #21 
                 - I didn't mean it to be literal...  MercutioATC   Dec-25-08 08:08 PM   #47 
                    - "Changing the way the President leads"  ColbertWatcher   Dec-26-08 12:34 AM   #62 
                       - I think this IS what got him to the Presidency.  MercutioATC   Dec-26-08 02:47 PM   #90 
     - I'm not a Democrat; I'm a Green.  roody   Dec-25-08 03:53 PM   #16 
     - You know, we really should change that title:  Dinkeldog   Dec-25-08 06:27 PM   #38 
        - THANK YOU, Dinkeldog....  RetiredTrotskyite   Dec-26-08 04:14 AM   #73 
  - Proud to be the 5th recommendation on this one  Hokie   Dec-25-08 03:14 PM   #11 
  - Sweet words.  ColbertWatcher   Dec-25-08 03:22 PM   #12 
  - Why I am outraged...  Swamp Rat   Dec-25-08 03:34 PM   #14 
  - I agree 100% with you regarding equal rights.  MercutioATC   Dec-25-08 04:05 PM   #18 
  - "segment of society that we need on board." Sorry, you're wrong on this.  ColbertWatcher   Dec-25-08 04:14 PM   #20 
  - I disagree. I think we have a chance at a new paradigm.  MercutioATC   Dec-25-08 04:32 PM   #24 
  - Yes! A new paradigm! (Step 1: stop using the old cliche "paradigm!")  ColbertWatcher   Dec-25-08 04:42 PM   #26 
  - Nice thought, but "right" is a relative term.  MercutioATC   Dec-25-08 04:47 PM   #28 
     - Opps, My bad, maybe I should have said "legal" instead? n/t  ColbertWatcher   Dec-25-08 04:58 PM   #31 
     - I agree, Americans have been fighting for decades, it's high time the right wing stop dividing us.  ColbertWatcher   Dec-25-08 05:10 PM   #34 
  - While I very much agree with your sentiments, I think you may be giving this guy a  Dr_eldritch   Dec-25-08 04:45 PM   #27 
  - I'm excited about the possibility of major change.  MercutioATC   Dec-25-08 08:10 PM   #48 
     - I kinda answered your OP in post #12 above. n/t  ColbertWatcher   Dec-26-08 12:31 AM   #61 
  - And if it doesn't work, and gay folks are still denied rights a few years from now,  yardwork   Dec-25-08 07:31 PM   #43 
  - I know what I'd like to see happen, and it's a "compromise" between the two stances.  MercutioATC   Dec-25-08 08:16 PM   #49 
     - Good luck with that. I'm not planning to wait around for that to happen, though.  yardwork   Dec-25-08 08:27 PM   #50 
        - I think that "gay marriage" will continue to be a hard sell.  MercutioATC   Dec-25-08 08:31 PM   #51 
           - Given That Marriage Is a Civil Term In This Country...  Toasterlad   Dec-25-08 09:43 PM   #55 
              - Who cares what it's called? If it helps get it enacted, why does it matter?  MercutioATC   Dec-26-08 02:31 PM   #86 
                 - Answer My Question and I'll Answer Yours.  Toasterlad   Dec-26-08 06:31 PM   #100 
                 - It is not just semantics.  Ms. Toad   Dec-27-08 02:01 PM   #109 
  - He might just be a monster.  bluedawg12   Dec-26-08 12:35 AM   #63 
  - I Agree...  RetiredTrotskyite   Dec-26-08 05:47 AM   #75 
  - Dream on.  yardwork   Dec-26-08 12:28 AM   #60 
  - " I think that Warren is OK with them too."  Warren Stupidity   Dec-26-08 06:46 AM   #76 
  - I don't agree. His argument against it is a religious one.  MercutioATC   Dec-26-08 02:34 PM   #87 
  - I could not disagre with you more  Marrah_G   Dec-26-08 07:54 AM   #78 
  - Yep.  tbyg52   Dec-25-08 04:28 PM   #22 
  - Exactly! n/t  QC   Dec-25-08 04:42 PM   #25 
  - If rights can be denied ANYONE, they are not rights, they are privileges which  jobycom   Dec-25-08 05:17 PM   #36 
  - No, no.  lwfern   Dec-25-08 06:32 PM   #39 
  - Thank you for your thoughtful post. n/t  ColbertWatcher   Dec-25-08 07:16 PM   #41 
  - Good Point...  RetiredTrotskyite   Dec-26-08 04:23 AM   #74 
  - Thank You, Swampy. I Love to Hear From Straight Folks Who GET IT.  Toasterlad   Dec-25-08 09:40 PM   #54 
  - Thank you for your grown up, strategic perspective. It's rare these days! krnt!  HamdenRice   Dec-25-08 04:30 PM   #23 
  - Ditto.  HypnoToad   Dec-25-08 04:49 PM   #29 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-25-08 09:43 PM   #56 
     - Your racist epithet is noted. Now you may move on. nt  HamdenRice   Dec-26-08 07:52 AM   #77 
  - We get it already  ThomCat   Dec-25-08 10:53 PM   #58 
     - I bet he wouldn't allow white people to take charge of the Civil Rights movement.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-26-08 02:47 PM   #91 
  - I'm a spiritual if not religious person  shadowknows69   Dec-25-08 04:53 PM   #30 
  - Concur. K&R  yowzayowzayowza   Dec-25-08 05:02 PM   #32 
  - And here I was  Dinkeldog   Dec-25-08 06:20 PM   #37 
  - Actually the GLBT community make up closer to 10% of the population.  ColbertWatcher   Dec-25-08 07:17 PM   #42 
     - Hey, stay small! That lets our sleeper agents infiltrate better!  Dinkeldog   Dec-25-08 07:55 PM   #45 
  - The next time someone claims no DUers support the Warren choice, I can show them your post  Truth Teller   Dec-25-08 06:43 PM   #40 
  - Actually, I'm ambivalent about it.  MercutioATC   Dec-25-08 08:05 PM   #46 
  - When cornered, you claim to be ambivalent  Truth Teller   Dec-26-08 09:21 AM   #81 
     - I'm atheist. I don't care one whit who does the opening mumbo-jumbo.  MercutioATC   Dec-26-08 02:43 PM   #89 
  - hey now- these threads don't even exist- so i must be dreaming this thread right now...  bettyellen   Dec-25-08 11:58 PM   #59 
     - Hey, it's okay! The people arguing for it really just don't care!  Truth Teller   Dec-26-08 09:23 AM   #82 
        - they are just looking for a reason to be outraged- and no one has cut them off in traffic, so Warren  bettyellen   Dec-26-08 09:36 PM   #102 
  - I will note that the knee pads are dusted off!  deaniac21   Dec-25-08 08:38 PM   #52 
  - Agreed, which is why I'd have rathered he chose Fred Phelps  flvegan   Dec-25-08 08:46 PM   #53 
  - my feelings pretty much exactly. this country has REAL things to get outraged about.  QuestionAll   Dec-25-08 09:47 PM   #57 
  - Real is subjective. n/t  bluedawg12   Dec-26-08 12:45 AM   #64 
  - so we have subjective things to get outraged about?  QuestionAll   Dec-26-08 01:30 AM   #67 
     - All politics are local.  bluedawg12   Dec-26-08 11:25 AM   #83 
        - got anymore meaningless cliches to add?  QuestionAll   Dec-26-08 03:10 PM   #95 
  - Denying ordinary civil rights to certain couples for strictly religious reasons isn't REAL enough?  hunter   Dec-26-08 01:08 AM   #65 
     - who has rick warren denied? will he be setting policy in the obama administration?  QuestionAll   Dec-26-08 01:28 AM   #66 
     - Right: only government officials have ever had any impact on society.  Oak2004   Dec-26-08 02:40 AM   #69 
     - "The bigger the podium the haters have, the more violence they spread"  QuestionAll   Dec-26-08 09:10 AM   #79 
     - I just don't like Rick Warren.  hunter   Dec-26-08 02:47 AM   #70 
     - but there are A LOT of people who do- and it's their country too.  QuestionAll   Dec-26-08 09:13 AM   #80 
        - It's not intolerance to be intolerant of intolerance.  hunter   Dec-26-08 02:12 PM   #85 
           - you have your beliefs and opinions- they have theirs- and you are just as intolerant.  QuestionAll   Dec-26-08 03:06 PM   #93 
              - I'm not seeking to violate their civil rights by force of law.  hunter   Dec-26-08 04:31 PM   #99 
     - He was one of Prop 8's biggest supporters and encouraged his flock to vote for it.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-26-08 02:49 PM   #92 
        - and yet- he himself only has one vote at the ballot box.  QuestionAll   Dec-26-08 03:09 PM   #94 
           - His flock is brainwashed and does whatever he tells them to do.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-26-08 03:12 PM   #96 
              - actually, no- they're not.  QuestionAll   Dec-26-08 03:18 PM   #97 
                 - Would "sheep" satisfy you?  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-26-08 03:35 PM   #98 
                    - well...they did a pretty good job of it during those summers on my uncle's farm...  QuestionAll   Dec-27-08 01:09 PM   #103 
     - It amazes me. These people crow about "inclusion" so much  kevinbgoode   Dec-27-08 01:29 PM   #106 
  - so you think nothing anyone does matters  leftofthedial   Dec-26-08 01:37 AM   #68 
  - You don't seem to realize....  AntiFascist   Dec-26-08 02:50 AM   #71 
  - Thank you... and Amen !! n/t  lamp_shade   Dec-26-08 03:54 AM   #72 
  - "We are one nation." What did you think that meant?" -mATC  bluedawg12   Dec-26-08 11:27 AM   #84 
  - It also means that we are ALL in this together.  MercutioATC   Dec-26-08 02:36 PM   #88 
     - And our "common goals" apparently don't include adherence  kevinbgoode   Dec-27-08 01:33 PM   #107 
  - This atheist agrees with you.  Odin2005   Dec-26-08 07:50 PM   #101 
  - I'm an agnostic and I agree. I'll judge him on his policies & refrain from preemptive snark.  AtomicKitten   Dec-27-08 01:13 PM   #104 
  - "We are one people. We are one nation." What did you think that meant?"  kevinbgoode   Dec-27-08 01:18 PM   #105 
  - What next? Hire Ann Coulter for press secretary?  Leftest   Dec-27-08 01:37 PM   #108 

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