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scarz Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:05 AM
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95. it was 0300 on a friday night soooooo
that settles the somewhat jumpy tone. but my question is more about the immigration WHICH IS a huge aspect. YES or NO, if this woman were an illegal immigrant, and had the child here knowing he would receive free health care, and that this particular child was receiving FUTILE medical support, which the mother could not provide leading to americans to foot the bill. SHOULD WE LET NATURE TAKE ITS COURSE. not decide who lives or dies. SHOULD WE TAKE OR HANDS OFF? people decide all the time who lives or dies, its called triage. the care this child receives should go to someone with a chance, and the care should go to americans first.
FACT: the geneva convention states that wounded on the battlefield receive care based on injury, irregardless of nationality. so basically a wounded enemy soldier in critical condition (expectant) is supposed to receive care before an american soldier who is an emergency situation (urgent). NEVER EVER HAPPENS, and wrong to expect that it does.
FACT: this child is going to expire, no matter what.
FACT: this child is triaged as expectant
FACT: there are countless amounts of patients who need care, money and supplies.
FACT: it is better for SOCIETY as a whole.
GIVEN: two people with identical illnesses. one american and one illegal immigrant, or child of an illegal immigrant.
GIVEN :one available care program.
WHO GETS THE CARE???
taxpaying americans in a way EARN merit or EARN political or nationalistic karma

AND NO, i in no way believe this is an easy decision
i have seen much to much death already WITH MY OWN EYES as a soldier
i have 2 amazing children, and my sons twin brother died
this is a fair assessment of the situation
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           - it was 0300 on a friday night soooooo  scarz   Mar-25-07 03:05 AM   #95 
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