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Tue Dec-16-08 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #73 |
| 84. My Real Problem Here Is With DU Apologists Like Yourself |
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It seems when any initiative from the DLC intelligentsia is proffered that we see a host of apologists pandering for the initiative.
Remember 2 months ago when the Dem and Repug intelligentsia were pandering for the 700B TARP effort.
Those panderers were like cockroaches at DU.
My impression is that the Clintonistas are out in force to promote Caroline.
It just does not feel right as no discussion is allowed such as your vacuous questions suggest.
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| -Is being rich & connected a good reason to get a free Senate seat? |
JackRiddler |
Dec-15-08 05:23 PM |
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She deserves it. For being Caroline. And I mean that. |
marylanddem |
Dec-15-08 05:27 PM |
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Thanks for illustrating "celebrity worship." |
JackRiddler |
Dec-15-08 06:07 PM |
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I'm beginning to believe we're pre-disposed as a species |
Veganistan |
Dec-15-08 11:05 PM |
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no kidding. |
cali |
Dec-16-08 05:00 AM |
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It could be argued that the current holder of this seat |
SOS |
Dec-16-08 11:59 AM |
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Indications are that Kennedy is more progressive than Clinton, however... |
JackRiddler |
Dec-16-08 10:42 PM |
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Oh please. |
emilyg |
Dec-15-08 06:35 PM |
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I might agree if senate seats were term-limited. |
anigbrowl |
Dec-15-08 08:41 PM |
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How many politicians do you know that are not rich and powerful? |
Howzit |
Dec-15-08 05:28 PM |
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Good point. |
bushwentawol |
Dec-15-08 05:32 PM |
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Well, all of my reps in Congress are now powerful of course, but |
cali |
Dec-16-08 05:02 AM |
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Especially Senators (n/t) |
harun |
Dec-16-08 06:37 AM |
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How many professional career politicians make good senators? |
dmordue |
Dec-15-08 05:32 PM |
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Quite a few. Think Bernie Sanders and Sherrod Brown |
cali |
Dec-16-08 05:06 AM |
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Grow.Up. |
amdezurik |
Dec-15-08 05:33 PM |
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who do you think should get handed the seat then? |
onenote |
Dec-15-08 05:37 PM |
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Resisting the corporate media's call is an excellent rule of thumb... |
JackRiddler |
Dec-15-08 05:59 PM |
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is that your standard exclusively for the US Senate ? |
onenote |
Dec-15-08 06:15 PM |
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Interesting! |
MookieWilson |
Dec-15-08 06:34 PM |
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Love to see someone feeling around like a mime inside a Bushie False Reality Bubble |
tom_paine |
Dec-16-08 08:50 AM |
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Were her only qualification her political pedigree, I'd |
Warpy |
Dec-15-08 05:39 PM |
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Don't try to make sense JackRiddler, |
yadayadayada |
Dec-15-08 05:40 PM |
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Name removed |
Dec-15-08 05:45 PM |
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So now kowtowing to aristocrats is left wing? |
JackRiddler |
Dec-15-08 05:49 PM |
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What's the massive PR campaign... |
stillcool47 |
Dec-15-08 05:53 PM |
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A fine idea. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-15-08 06:13 PM |
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what "massive campaign"? |
amdezurik |
Dec-15-08 05:58 PM |
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6,107 Google News hits as of 7pm EST Dec. 15th 2008... |
JackRiddler |
Dec-15-08 06:05 PM |
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geezus duuuuuude |
amdezurik |
Dec-15-08 07:14 PM |
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For someone so mature, you could stand to be less ignorant. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-15-08 07:47 PM |
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most of congress is corrupt-at least the kennedys appear not to be |
natrat |
Dec-15-08 05:44 PM |
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The Criticism Of Caroline Is That She Has No Track Record Of Raising Money |
lostnotforgotten |
Dec-15-08 05:44 PM |
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She raised millions of dollars for the NYC Board of Ed. That's a good enough track record. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Dec-15-08 05:49 PM |
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Yes - But Will She Be able to Grovel For Political Survival Not Social Justice |
lostnotforgotten |
Dec-15-08 06:04 PM |
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She'll be groveling money in order to represent me and the best interests of the people of my state. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Dec-15-08 06:18 PM |
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I concur. |
Karenina |
Dec-15-08 07:29 PM |
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I Hail From Syracuse NY - I Worry That She Will Not Represent Upstate Citizens Well |
lostnotforgotten |
Dec-15-08 08:59 PM |
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Why not? |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Dec-16-08 02:52 AM |
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Simple - She Has No History In Upstate NY - Upstate Is Rural Not NY City Wealth |
lostnotforgotten |
Dec-16-08 03:40 AM |
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Name me one NY Senator in recent history who had upstate NY experience? |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Dec-16-08 08:30 AM |
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My Real Problem Here Is With DU Apologists Like Yourself |
lostnotforgotten |
Dec-16-08 10:38 AM |
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Thank you for not answering my question and going into a diatribe. BTW.. I never supported Clinton. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Dec-16-08 10:49 AM |
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I Did Answer You Question - I Don't See How An untested Politician Is A Good Thing |
lostnotforgotten |
Dec-16-08 11:57 AM |
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No, we were discussing funding. Personally, my pick for Senator would be Maurice |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Dec-16-08 12:55 PM |
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Clinton showed up fairly regularly (at least in her first term) |
Retrograde |
Dec-16-08 11:47 AM |
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The discussion was about experience in upstate prior to serving. A visit to upstate would be |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Dec-16-08 02:08 PM |
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Apparently..n/t |
SoCalDem |
Dec-15-08 05:49 PM |
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Were that 1/4 of our present senators be as accomplished as Ms. Kennedy |
Wickerman |
Dec-15-08 05:53 PM |
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So you'd prefer Caroline Kennedy over that grimy career pol, Bernie Sanders? |
cali |
Dec-16-08 05:10 AM |
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Now Cali, don't let selctive reading get in the way of what my post actually said |
Wickerman |
Dec-16-08 08:35 AM |
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No, but nor is it a reason NOT to get a Senate seat... |
BlooInBloo |
Dec-15-08 05:54 PM |
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I hate the person not how much or little money |
zidzi |
Dec-15-08 10:40 PM |
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Yes it is. |
Iggo |
Dec-15-08 05:58 PM |
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It seems to have worked for pretty much every member of the Senate |
leftofthedial |
Dec-15-08 06:00 PM |
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bull. Bernie. Pat. Sherrod Brown. |
cali |
Dec-16-08 05:11 AM |
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You do understand the meaning of the phrase "pretty much," I assume? |
leftofthedial |
Dec-16-08 11:18 AM |
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Hasn't political aristocracy done enough damage? |
notesdev |
Dec-15-08 06:13 PM |
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Nita Lowey is a fine COngresswoman. And she would be a one term senator |
onenote |
Dec-15-08 06:18 PM |
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She doesn't want it. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Dec-16-08 02:53 AM |
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Well, Caroline has always been popular, through no choice of her own. |
CTyankee |
Dec-16-08 11:06 AM |
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apparently so. isn't that why the senate was created in the first place? |
QuestionAll |
Dec-15-08 06:14 PM |
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You're forgetting, the others had to actually buy the votes. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-15-08 06:27 PM |
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I can kind of get upset about the Caroline/Legacy/Entitlement Thingy... |
KoKo01 |
Dec-15-08 06:19 PM |
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my reasoning: the ruling class, the mofos think they're the ruling class |
onethatcares |
Dec-15-08 06:34 PM |
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Andrew Cuomo also wants the seat |
OutspokenLiberal |
Dec-15-08 08:25 PM |
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Cuomo has actually run for office and received a majority of the votes. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-15-08 09:51 PM |
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I think a non celebrity native New Yorker should have the seat like |
mmonk |
Dec-15-08 09:16 PM |
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Senator Caroline Kennedy! |
TexasObserver |
Dec-15-08 09:31 PM |
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Take her in Texas then. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-15-08 09:55 PM |
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She wants New York, not Texas, and it sounds as if New York wants her. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-15-08 10:27 PM |
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Yes, a lot of New Yorkers also worship royalty... |
JackRiddler |
Dec-15-08 11:01 PM |
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Another inane comment from one given to such. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-15-08 11:11 PM |
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baaaah baaaaah |
iamthebandfanman |
Dec-16-08 09:47 AM |
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When I think of Caroline Kennedy |
zidzi |
Dec-15-08 10:35 PM |
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Well put. Thanks for describing the situation in a clear and concise way. |
ShortnFiery |
Dec-15-08 11:05 PM |
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The governor makes the choice, not you or me....if he picks Caroline.... |
Rowdyboy |
Dec-15-08 11:16 PM |
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The governor makes the choice, yes -- not a fawning media campaign |
JackRiddler |
Dec-15-08 11:59 PM |
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We hardly have an egalitarian system. |
alarimer |
Dec-15-08 11:28 PM |
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if it was ONLY a matter of principle, looks, charisma and style shouldn't be a part of the equation |
Douglas Carpenter |
Dec-16-08 03:19 AM |
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So politicians only have merit if elected? Seems like the governor of NY might not |
sohndrsmith |
Dec-16-08 03:32 AM |
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Please correct yourself: The governor of New York was elected... |
JackRiddler |
Dec-16-08 10:25 AM |
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Don't like it, but it's the best way to keep the Senate seat out of Ghouliani's hands in 2 years |
JCMach1 |
Dec-16-08 05:09 AM |
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How do most of them get there? |
quaker bill |
Dec-16-08 05:30 AM |
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Tom Feeney's in the U.S. Senate? Who knew? |
cali |
Dec-16-08 06:45 AM |
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What the hell else do you think Western Democracy is about? |
JVS |
Dec-16-08 06:45 AM |
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Where are these poor and righteous saints that should get the free seat |
mmonk |
Dec-16-08 08:22 AM |
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Strawman |
JackRiddler |
Dec-16-08 10:31 AM |
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Extremely saddeded to see 58% of DUers for this State-Controlled Media bullshit. |
tom_paine |
Dec-16-08 08:28 AM |
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this thread proves only one thing |
iamthebandfanman |
Dec-16-08 09:43 AM |
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It proves that a lot of people need to get the stars out of their eyes....... |
Darth_Kitten |
Dec-16-08 10:01 AM |
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that's all the reason I need... |
LanternWaste |
Dec-16-08 09:58 AM |
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having a name and being wealthy brought us the Bush family |
iamthebandfanman |
Dec-16-08 09:59 AM |
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I can't answer the poll because I think she'll probably make a fine Senator |
shadowknows69 |
Dec-16-08 10:36 AM |
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Caroline Kennedy is a "celebrity"? Really? |
suston96 |
Dec-16-08 11:15 AM |
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She's qualified because a number of her family have died? |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Dec-16-08 11:21 AM |
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Swoosh! Right over your head. She is a celebrity, indeed. Unfortunately.... |
suston96 |
Dec-16-08 11:29 AM |
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I meet those qualifications, AND my dad is dead. Do you think I have a shot at the appointment? |
Romulox |
Dec-16-08 11:55 AM |
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The difference between you and Caroline Kennedy? I don't know you well enough to say.... |
suston96 |
Dec-16-08 12:22 PM |
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It's sad that you don't have the courage to state the obvious: I'm not a Kennedy. nt |
Romulox |
Dec-16-08 12:26 PM |
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State the obvious? I am not a Kennedy? What does that mean? nt |
suston96 |
Dec-16-08 12:56 PM |
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Swoosh! Right over your head! |
JackRiddler |
Dec-16-08 01:14 PM |
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Obama was chosen by voters, not a governor. Swoosh! |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Dec-16-08 01:29 PM |
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As long as she is constitutionally eligible AND the Governor appoints her...... |
suston96 |
Dec-16-08 01:39 PM |
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Wow, quoting fail |
IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge |
Dec-16-08 02:23 PM |
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Put all the salt you want on it...Those are the polls and there will be more. |
suston96 |
Dec-16-08 02:42 PM |
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Is being rich & connected a good reason to get a free Senate seat? |
verges |
Dec-16-08 12:39 PM |
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Were any of these Nobel Laureates... |
JackRiddler |
Dec-16-08 12:54 PM |
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To a degree, I agree with you. |
verges |
Dec-16-08 02:07 PM |
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If experience in elected office was a requirement to serve |
louis c |
Dec-16-08 12:58 PM |
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You are misrepresenting my point... totally. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-16-08 01:12 PM |
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I'm not disagreeing with you |
louis c |
Dec-16-08 01:34 PM |
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I loved Rachel's line |
hfojvt |
Dec-16-08 11:02 PM |
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Great idea, if it had about the same power as the House of Lords! |
JackRiddler |
Dec-16-08 11:21 PM |
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Today's observation: |
JackRiddler |
Dec-17-08 10:15 AM |
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Being rich and connected can be useful Senatorial characteristics. |
aikoaiko |
Dec-17-08 10:18 AM |
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Good. Let's dispense with the democratic and constitutional illusions then. |
JackRiddler |
Dec-17-08 10:46 AM |
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I don't get your point -- this seat is an appointment |
aikoaiko |
Dec-17-08 11:11 AM |
#117 |
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