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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 10:05 PM
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43. Sorry. And I didn't mean to say you or anyone. .. doesn't already know it's wrong to steal. I've been watching too many interviews today of people trying to bust unions. :7
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  -How did GM let itself get into a position where it is supporting >3 retirees and a surviving spouse FarCenter  Dec-12-08 11:23 AM   #0 
  - Would you like to know how much I get as a surviving spouse with a minor child?  notadmblnd   Dec-12-08 11:30 AM   #1 
  - they reduced upstream integration at the behest of the UAW  hendo   Dec-12-08 11:31 AM   #2 
  - What do you mean " kept on"?  notadmblnd   Dec-12-08 11:33 AM   #3 
  - The vast majority of working people today will not receive a pension  lukasahero   Dec-12-08 11:37 AM   #5 
  - All the more reason to hold corporations to their promise to  sufrommich   Dec-12-08 12:07 PM   #15 
  - The pinko commie Yurpeens still get pensions.  kath   Dec-12-08 01:19 PM   #27 
  - OT: Yurp!  Ignis   Dec-12-08 03:46 PM   #32 
     - Yeppers, that's where I got that from. That cartoon was in honor of Chimpyshit's 1st trip to Europe,  kath   Dec-12-08 07:51 PM   #42 
  - But also please understand that many people had deductions...  YvonneCa   Dec-12-08 04:18 PM   #34 
     - "But it is wrong to steal" Thanks I didn't know that  lukasahero   Dec-12-08 06:43 PM   #40 
        - Sorry. And I didn't mean to say you or anyone. ..  YvonneCa   Dec-12-08 10:05 PM   #43 
  - Yes, they should get their pensions  Carl Skan   Dec-12-08 11:38 AM   #6 
     - Well I don't think that people who don't have pension should expect those who do to forgo theirs  notadmblnd   Dec-12-08 11:47 AM   #9 
     - Ha, So What Do You Suggest We Do With Retirees?  lligrd   Dec-12-08 11:52 AM   #10 
     - PBS this week aired a 2006 rerun of Frontline on employees with 401Ks.  bulloney   Dec-12-08 12:01 PM   #12 
     - Hmm, you just allowed me to look at the situation in a new light.  ContinentalOp   Dec-13-08 03:07 AM   #46 
     - You have any links to support your statement?  notadmblnd   Dec-12-08 11:54 AM   #11 
     - Most corporations no longer have "defined benefits" pensions, and very limited medical for retirees  FarCenter   Dec-12-08 12:04 PM   #13 
     - If you "find it hard to believe", do your own research  lukasahero   Dec-12-08 12:54 PM   #20 
     - The numbers "don't work" because of corporate greed, not pragmatism  ihavenobias   Dec-12-08 01:02 PM   #22 
     - GM took in $178 billion in income last year. They could pay their  Hannah Bell   Dec-12-08 01:10 PM   #25 
     - Pensions are part of their wages. They're "deferred compensation" which is sacred to management.  SharonAnn   Dec-12-08 10:09 PM   #44 
  - Pensions are simply deferred pay.  JDPriestly   Dec-12-08 01:39 PM   #28 
  - Because GM in particular has been weak for a long time...  yibbehobba   Dec-12-08 11:36 AM   #4 
  - Excellent summary  Carl Skan   Dec-12-08 11:40 AM   #7 
  - Automation...eom  TheBorealAvenger   Dec-12-08 11:41 AM   #8 
  - Because they outsourced the active UAW workers. Remember Michael Moore's Roger and me?  JVS   Dec-12-08 12:05 PM   #14 
  - They're paying off people that worked for them decades ago...  krispos42   Dec-12-08 12:13 PM   #16 
  - Simple the same as the steel industry  doc03   Dec-12-08 12:24 PM   #17 
  - "Now we have less than 3000 employees and we produce just as much steel today as 38 years ago."  Hannah Bell   Dec-12-08 01:16 PM   #26 
     - Are you kidding this is the USA we have to produce  doc03   Dec-12-08 02:53 PM   #31 
     - "Our Chinese competitors" - yep, that's how they keep labor in line.  Hannah Bell   Dec-12-08 03:49 PM   #33 
     - I know they are American investors that built the factories there  doc03   Dec-12-08 04:34 PM   #35 
        - The bottom line is, the whole set-up is a scam. Build up one area  Hannah Bell   Dec-12-08 05:19 PM   #38 
     - These goddamn foreigners are simply going to have to stop working.  yibbehobba   Dec-13-08 03:01 AM   #45 
     - That's not very efficient  NoMoreMyths   Dec-12-08 05:05 PM   #37 
  - Are you joking?  DainBramaged   Dec-12-08 12:27 PM   #18 
  - Same here my mother is 89 and she receives a survivors  doc03   Dec-12-08 12:34 PM   #19 
  - The Social Security pension is different from a UAW pension  FarCenter   Dec-12-08 02:44 PM   #30 
  - Those Damn People Just Don't Die When They're Supposed To!  we can do it   Dec-12-08 12:55 PM   #21 
  - Their health insurance kept them from dying young?  McCamy Taylor   Dec-12-08 01:05 PM   #23 
  - GM took in 178 billion in income in 2007. They have 266,000 (global) employees.  Hannah Bell   Dec-12-08 01:05 PM   #24 
  - Can GM afford a chairman who doesnt believe in global warming and keeps making bigger and biggers  lionesspriyanka   Dec-12-08 01:42 PM   #29 
  - They closed/relocated factories elsewhere with mostly young-cheap  SoCalDem   Dec-12-08 04:51 PM   #36 
  - by relentlessly destroying the unions and cutting their membership.  leftofthedial   Dec-12-08 05:22 PM   #39 
  - They mismanaged the retirement fund  Juniperx   Dec-12-08 06:53 PM   #41 

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