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Thu Dec-11-08 06:32 PM
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| 57. i wouldn't be caught dead in either of those cars. |
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Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 06:33 PM by maxsolomon
as i said, steroidal. the principals in our office - none of them drive an american car. old saabs, porsches, bmws, mercedes, vws, minis, even a BMW 3.0CS. yumm:  current american car design focuses on being a. nondescript & nonoffensive, or b. what i call "nascar" design: overtly (and overly) masculine, pumped-up, emulating hot-rod aesthetics. i.e. charger, mustang. de gustibus non disputatem. |
| -Let's get something straight folks: Detroit's problems are NOT a function of car type or car quality |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:32 PM |
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K&R |
MichiganVote |
Dec-11-08 05:35 PM |
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the problems are: |
leftofthedial |
Dec-11-08 05:35 PM |
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As long as gas stays low don't expect the shift to more efficient cars |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:38 PM |
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you mean like my 1993 Corolla wagon |
leftofthedial |
Dec-11-08 05:45 PM |
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No I mean like the two Mazda POS's that I owned in college |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:30 PM |
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Oh like the Accord we sold before we came back to the mainland |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-11-08 06:48 PM |
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That's strange... maybe you got a lemon |
Juniperx |
Dec-11-08 07:45 PM |
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And isn't it odd that right before Detroit asked for a bailout gas prices fell? n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Dec-11-08 05:50 PM |
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Two theories: |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:33 PM |
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I suspect the Saudis will have us sitting in gas lines.. |
Virginia Dare |
Dec-12-08 01:09 PM |
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WORLD demand has collapsed, that's why |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-11-08 06:49 PM |
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Of course it fell, but you have to admit the timing is curious. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Dec-11-08 06:57 PM |
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World demand started to crash before the election |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-11-08 07:03 PM |
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Not just the demand for oil, but the timing of the bailouts. |
ColbertWatcher |
Dec-11-08 07:10 PM |
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Unfortunately, most large companies here treat their |
spindrifter |
Dec-11-08 05:38 PM |
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re: |
economicgeography |
Dec-11-08 05:42 PM |
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bad management |
leftofthedial |
Dec-11-08 05:44 PM |
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Bad management makes a company bad. I've lived through good and bad management. |
SharonAnn |
Dec-11-08 08:55 PM |
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Your #3 is wrong |
lastliberalintexas |
Dec-11-08 05:43 PM |
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So what, No, No, No, No. |
Festivito |
Dec-11-08 06:30 PM |
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WELL SAID! n/t |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:32 PM |
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what possible agenda could I have? |
leftofthedial |
Dec-12-08 12:01 AM |
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You are wrong about longevity of large engines vs smaller engines.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-11-08 05:36 PM |
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No I'm not wrong... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:51 PM |
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I'll be surprised if I don't get 300k out of our Altima.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-11-08 06:10 PM |
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Actually ... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:20 PM |
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I had over 100k miles on a 600 cc four cylinder motorycle engine when I sold it.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-11-08 06:41 PM |
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Motorcycle = aircooled engine?? |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:45 PM |
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In this case it was air cooled.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-11-08 07:02 PM |
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I would tend to disagree because |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:10 PM |
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Even motocross bikes have been water cooled for two decades. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-11-08 08:00 PM |
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Also take into account OHC vs. OHV. |
EOTE |
Dec-12-08 01:31 PM |
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He's correct. To extrapolate, check out '18 wheelers'. Their engines |
Edweird |
Dec-11-08 06:08 PM |
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Commercial vehicles are designed to a different standard than passenger cars.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-11-08 06:14 PM |
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re:Let's get something straight folks: Detroit's problems are NOT a function of car type or car qual |
economicgeography |
Dec-11-08 05:37 PM |
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Nope.. it's just common sense: |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:40 PM |
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re: |
economicgeography |
Dec-11-08 06:50 PM |
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Who has the money required to control GM? |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:23 PM |
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re: |
economicgeography |
Dec-11-08 07:58 PM |
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Yeah... |
sendero |
Dec-11-08 08:47 PM |
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If you know so well how to run them |
economicgeography |
Dec-11-08 09:32 PM |
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I never said.. |
sendero |
Dec-12-08 06:22 AM |
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I thought the Chevy Silverado/GMC was the best selling truck? |
lastliberalintexas |
Dec-11-08 05:37 PM |
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Perhaps Chevy Silverado is the current sales leader |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:40 PM |
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Chevy/GMC created the truck |
lastliberalintexas |
Dec-11-08 05:48 PM |
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You really think American cars could sell well here in Japan? |
Art_from_Ark |
Dec-11-08 07:32 PM |
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Yup! It's like musical chairs unless they sell 17 million cars... |
TreasonousBastard |
Dec-11-08 05:39 PM |
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Isn't the F-150 a piece of shit, despite its sales? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-11-08 05:39 PM |
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Sorry but you are lumping a lot of different engines together when you talk about 4G Camaros |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:45 PM |
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You can't fool all of the people all of the time. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-11-08 05:49 PM |
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You are just a basher and are talking out your *** |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:52 PM |
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never mind |
annabanana |
Dec-11-08 06:57 PM |
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Except all those recalls... |
Juniperx |
Dec-11-08 07:57 PM |
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Recommend, and mostly agree. But I don't understand how stronger unions are going |
bertman |
Dec-11-08 05:47 PM |
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It's real simple: |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:54 PM |
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Okay, ddeclue, I see some validity in that. But in the meantime, let's work on the other |
bertman |
Dec-11-08 08:57 PM |
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Not only is the day of the Detroit V-8 over, the century of the automobile is over as well. |
Ron_Green |
Dec-11-08 05:48 PM |
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You are wrong - Americans will give you their guns before they give your their cars. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:05 PM |
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Yeah, well, when I read your comments about "roller skates" on some other threads |
Ron_Green |
Dec-11-08 07:06 PM |
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Well Ron you're not Presidente por Vida |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:13 PM |
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If you say. I hope you are right. I wonder why the rest of the world just can't understand |
Mike 03 |
Dec-11-08 05:49 PM |
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they DO understand it. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:06 PM |
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Bump |
LisaM |
Dec-11-08 05:49 PM |
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car DESIGN, however... |
maxsolomon |
Dec-11-08 05:49 PM |
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And who can forget |
skepticscott |
Dec-11-08 05:56 PM |
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There are plenty of ugly boring foreign cars... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:00 PM |
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Well that's your taste.... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:58 PM |
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i wouldn't be caught dead in either of those cars. |
maxsolomon |
Dec-11-08 06:32 PM |
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Ugly boring beemer... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:43 PM |
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder |
lastliberalintexas |
Dec-11-08 06:08 PM |
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I will say that when Ford bought Volvo and Jaguar |
dugaresa |
Dec-11-08 09:35 PM |
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We are SO on the same page!!!! |
Husb2Sparkly |
Dec-11-08 05:53 PM |
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That's an interesting set of points you make. |
Gregorian |
Dec-11-08 05:57 PM |
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I don't have any problems with efficient cars and electric cars |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:10 PM |
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Management at the big 3 caused many of their own problems |
depakid |
Dec-11-08 05:57 PM |
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I agree with you |
Johonny |
Dec-11-08 06:22 PM |
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That's an interesting idea |
depakid |
Dec-11-08 06:48 PM |
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skip it... it's not worth it. |
bobbolink |
Dec-11-08 06:00 PM |
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Run and hide when you don't have a good response. That's what he really means. n/t |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:22 PM |
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I would have to disagree |
MadHound |
Dec-11-08 06:06 PM |
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No you don't know what you are talking about. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:26 PM |
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. |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 06:37 PM |
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Really? The evidence of my eyes, the evidence stated in the literature, it's all so much bullshit? |
MadHound |
Dec-12-08 06:41 AM |
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I love my Ford Focus |
Blue Gardener |
Dec-11-08 06:08 PM |
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This is what I have been asking: |
question everything |
Dec-11-08 06:09 PM |
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Then what is Detroit's fucking problem? |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 06:11 PM |
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That's the real question, isn't it? |
skepticscott |
Dec-11-08 06:19 PM |
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There is obviously some kind of problem, but those who advocate helping these companies... |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 08:11 PM |
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Did you READ the entire post or just make up what you wanted?? |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:28 PM |
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I'm sorry I drifted off in a daydream when you were talking about your BOSS CAMARO! |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 06:34 PM |
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??? Apparently you didn't read the article at all... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:48 PM |
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What article? You didn't link to an article. |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 06:50 PM |
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Thanks for the non-sequitir argument....what a waste of time you are... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:24 PM |
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If your points were so important, why did you need to give them second billing to |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 07:32 PM |
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Dude are you drinking or something??? |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:36 PM |
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read again. Doesn't answer my questions. |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 06:35 PM |
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Then you have a reading comprehension problem. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:50 PM |
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Your solutions are a bunch of unworkable platitudes. |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 06:54 PM |
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Fair Trade: |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:06 PM |
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Does fair trade mean we get rid of all those Fords made in Mexico? |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 07:07 PM |
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I think it means: |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:16 PM |
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Anecdotal accounts mean nothing |
skepticscott |
Dec-11-08 06:11 PM |
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And your statistics are doubtful because they come from people with agendas |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:59 PM |
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What statistics? |
skepticscott |
Dec-11-08 08:26 PM |
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Thank you. I'm sick to death of this "They built teh hummerz and should fail" crap. |
Edweird |
Dec-11-08 06:12 PM |
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I'm just going back to "clicking" those idiots now |
DainBramaged |
Dec-11-08 06:24 PM |
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You still around? |
bamalib |
Dec-11-08 06:49 PM |
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Part of it IS their problem. |
flvegan |
Dec-11-08 06:43 PM |
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Japan built plenty of shitty cars then too... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:54 PM |
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Your bitchin Camaro is a tribute to American Autos |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 06:57 PM |
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Whatever... you are not making any sense... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:27 PM |
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No. |
LeftyMom |
Dec-11-08 08:48 PM |
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Of course they did. |
flvegan |
Dec-11-08 07:14 PM |
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The rest of the car has held up well as well. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:30 PM |
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Good for your one shining example. |
flvegan |
Dec-11-08 08:10 PM |
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Get a clue. |
tabasco |
Dec-11-08 07:19 PM |
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Don't you realize that the fact that a babied Camaro outlives a 300ZX proves that imports suck? |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 07:30 PM |
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Who babies it??? It has been my daily commute car for 12 years |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:34 PM |
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I'm sure you give the car significantly more attention than most people give their cars. |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 07:39 PM |
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Uh.. I do the manufacturer recommended PM's and keep it clean.. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:47 PM |
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If you want to draw conclusions concerning the reliability of different auto brands, probably. |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 07:50 PM |
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Check the resales on a 1995 Z28 Camaro Convertible... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:59 PM |
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I think your views on "jap cars" might be something less than objective |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 08:05 PM |
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My mother is a "Jap". |
GOPisEvil |
Dec-11-08 09:26 PM |
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Okay, I did. |
flvegan |
Dec-11-08 09:57 PM |
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Between the two of us I'm sure I know more about cars AND statistics. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:40 PM |
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You say your a good mechanic. You maintain the car yourself? |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 07:51 PM |
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It depends but most of the time there's nothing to do but the oil so I let someone do it. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:55 PM |
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I've seen you on TV!!! |
ret5hd |
Dec-12-08 07:47 AM |
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No argument here. |
Jack Sprat |
Dec-11-08 06:57 PM |
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There is nothing wrong with improving efficiency |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:44 PM |
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K&R |
Lifetimedem |
Dec-11-08 07:29 PM |
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OK I've got to get into my AMERICAN made Dodge Charger R/T |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:50 PM |
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Gotta be the stupidest thing I've read all day. |
tabasco |
Dec-11-08 07:48 PM |
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Apparently you don't actually pay attention to car trends. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:54 PM |
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The point is they did change, and they stayed competitive. eom |
Juniperx |
Dec-12-08 01:02 PM |
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Yeah, that is blatantly stupid, isn't it? |
Juniperx |
Dec-11-08 08:00 PM |
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The Toyota Echo failed in the marketplace--not enough buyers for the small car |
TheBorealAvenger |
Dec-11-08 09:20 PM |
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If American cars are so much better, then why are the top three automakers |
Juniperx |
Dec-11-08 07:49 PM |
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Is there some kind of reading comprehension problem here tonight? |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:51 PM |
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No, but there seems to be a problem with cognitive reasoning... |
Juniperx |
Dec-11-08 07:55 PM |
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What's your problem??? |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 08:02 PM |
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No, you didn't say exactly what I said... |
Juniperx |
Dec-11-08 08:32 PM |
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Toyota's asking the EU for a bailout n/t |
tammywammy |
Dec-11-08 10:12 PM |
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Right... that is now... that is economy based... |
Juniperx |
Dec-12-08 01:09 PM |
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My Brother used to have a Corvette and me a BMW 1600 |
Ichingcarpenter |
Dec-11-08 08:00 PM |
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German cars are much better than Japanese |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 08:05 PM |
#124 |
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The 1600 BMW when it came out cost $2500 |
Ichingcarpenter |
Dec-11-08 08:20 PM |
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Our 89 Seville with a 4.5 mounted sideways kicks ass on any turn or curve |
nolabels |
Dec-11-08 08:20 PM |
#129 |
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My Dad had two Sevilles bought one every 12 years |
Ichingcarpenter |
Dec-11-08 08:37 PM |
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I just kind of picked up the part about going around curves |
nolabels |
Dec-11-08 09:40 PM |
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good post, thanks |
Two Americas |
Dec-11-08 08:21 PM |
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Or maybe the factor is a recession n/t |
economicgeography |
Dec-11-08 08:35 PM |
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what does that mean? |
Two Americas |
Dec-11-08 08:39 PM |
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nice |
mdmc |
Dec-11-08 08:30 PM |
#132 |
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The "US" automakers were in trouble long before the credit crunch |
Indenturedebtor |
Dec-11-08 10:06 PM |
#147 |
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boy, reading this was fun, i get your point, but... |
dweller |
Dec-11-08 10:38 PM |
#149 |
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