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Thu Dec-11-08 05:47 PM
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| 16. Recommend, and mostly agree. But I don't understand how stronger unions are going |
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to keep corporations from offshoring jobs. Tariffs, tax penalties for offshoring, tax incentives for keeping jobs here, all seem to be better ways. But I'm waiting to be enlightened about how the unions will stop offshoring.
I'm in favor of strong unions, just foggy on your point.
My Tahoe is a great vehicle with 125,000 on it. I know people who have them with 200,000. I also know folks with Toyotas with 200,000.
Good post.
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| -Let's get something straight folks: Detroit's problems are NOT a function of car type or car quality |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:32 PM |
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K&R |
MichiganVote |
Dec-11-08 05:35 PM |
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the problems are: |
leftofthedial |
Dec-11-08 05:35 PM |
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As long as gas stays low don't expect the shift to more efficient cars |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:38 PM |
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you mean like my 1993 Corolla wagon |
leftofthedial |
Dec-11-08 05:45 PM |
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No I mean like the two Mazda POS's that I owned in college |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:30 PM |
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Oh like the Accord we sold before we came back to the mainland |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-11-08 06:48 PM |
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That's strange... maybe you got a lemon |
Juniperx |
Dec-11-08 07:45 PM |
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And isn't it odd that right before Detroit asked for a bailout gas prices fell? n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Dec-11-08 05:50 PM |
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Two theories: |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:33 PM |
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I suspect the Saudis will have us sitting in gas lines.. |
Virginia Dare |
Dec-12-08 01:09 PM |
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WORLD demand has collapsed, that's why |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-11-08 06:49 PM |
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Of course it fell, but you have to admit the timing is curious. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Dec-11-08 06:57 PM |
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World demand started to crash before the election |
nadinbrzezinski |
Dec-11-08 07:03 PM |
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Not just the demand for oil, but the timing of the bailouts. |
ColbertWatcher |
Dec-11-08 07:10 PM |
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Unfortunately, most large companies here treat their |
spindrifter |
Dec-11-08 05:38 PM |
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re: |
economicgeography |
Dec-11-08 05:42 PM |
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bad management |
leftofthedial |
Dec-11-08 05:44 PM |
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Bad management makes a company bad. I've lived through good and bad management. |
SharonAnn |
Dec-11-08 08:55 PM |
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Your #3 is wrong |
lastliberalintexas |
Dec-11-08 05:43 PM |
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So what, No, No, No, No. |
Festivito |
Dec-11-08 06:30 PM |
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WELL SAID! n/t |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:32 PM |
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what possible agenda could I have? |
leftofthedial |
Dec-12-08 12:01 AM |
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You are wrong about longevity of large engines vs smaller engines.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-11-08 05:36 PM |
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No I'm not wrong... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:51 PM |
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I'll be surprised if I don't get 300k out of our Altima.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-11-08 06:10 PM |
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Actually ... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:20 PM |
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I had over 100k miles on a 600 cc four cylinder motorycle engine when I sold it.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-11-08 06:41 PM |
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Motorcycle = aircooled engine?? |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:45 PM |
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In this case it was air cooled.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-11-08 07:02 PM |
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I would tend to disagree because |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:10 PM |
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Even motocross bikes have been water cooled for two decades. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-11-08 08:00 PM |
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Also take into account OHC vs. OHV. |
EOTE |
Dec-12-08 01:31 PM |
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He's correct. To extrapolate, check out '18 wheelers'. Their engines |
Edweird |
Dec-11-08 06:08 PM |
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Commercial vehicles are designed to a different standard than passenger cars.. |
Fumesucker |
Dec-11-08 06:14 PM |
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re:Let's get something straight folks: Detroit's problems are NOT a function of car type or car qual |
economicgeography |
Dec-11-08 05:37 PM |
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Nope.. it's just common sense: |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:40 PM |
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re: |
economicgeography |
Dec-11-08 06:50 PM |
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Who has the money required to control GM? |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:23 PM |
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re: |
economicgeography |
Dec-11-08 07:58 PM |
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Yeah... |
sendero |
Dec-11-08 08:47 PM |
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If you know so well how to run them |
economicgeography |
Dec-11-08 09:32 PM |
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I never said.. |
sendero |
Dec-12-08 06:22 AM |
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I thought the Chevy Silverado/GMC was the best selling truck? |
lastliberalintexas |
Dec-11-08 05:37 PM |
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Perhaps Chevy Silverado is the current sales leader |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:40 PM |
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Chevy/GMC created the truck |
lastliberalintexas |
Dec-11-08 05:48 PM |
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You really think American cars could sell well here in Japan? |
Art_from_Ark |
Dec-11-08 07:32 PM |
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Yup! It's like musical chairs unless they sell 17 million cars... |
TreasonousBastard |
Dec-11-08 05:39 PM |
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Isn't the F-150 a piece of shit, despite its sales? |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-11-08 05:39 PM |
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Sorry but you are lumping a lot of different engines together when you talk about 4G Camaros |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:45 PM |
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You can't fool all of the people all of the time. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-11-08 05:49 PM |
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You are just a basher and are talking out your *** |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:52 PM |
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never mind |
annabanana |
Dec-11-08 06:57 PM |
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Except all those recalls... |
Juniperx |
Dec-11-08 07:57 PM |
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Recommend, and mostly agree. But I don't understand how stronger unions are going |
bertman |
Dec-11-08 05:47 PM |
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It's real simple: |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:54 PM |
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Okay, ddeclue, I see some validity in that. But in the meantime, let's work on the other |
bertman |
Dec-11-08 08:57 PM |
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Not only is the day of the Detroit V-8 over, the century of the automobile is over as well. |
Ron_Green |
Dec-11-08 05:48 PM |
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You are wrong - Americans will give you their guns before they give your their cars. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:05 PM |
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Yeah, well, when I read your comments about "roller skates" on some other threads |
Ron_Green |
Dec-11-08 07:06 PM |
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Well Ron you're not Presidente por Vida |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:13 PM |
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If you say. I hope you are right. I wonder why the rest of the world just can't understand |
Mike 03 |
Dec-11-08 05:49 PM |
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they DO understand it. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:06 PM |
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Bump |
LisaM |
Dec-11-08 05:49 PM |
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car DESIGN, however... |
maxsolomon |
Dec-11-08 05:49 PM |
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And who can forget |
skepticscott |
Dec-11-08 05:56 PM |
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There are plenty of ugly boring foreign cars... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:00 PM |
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Well that's your taste.... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 05:58 PM |
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i wouldn't be caught dead in either of those cars. |
maxsolomon |
Dec-11-08 06:32 PM |
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Ugly boring beemer... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:43 PM |
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder |
lastliberalintexas |
Dec-11-08 06:08 PM |
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I will say that when Ford bought Volvo and Jaguar |
dugaresa |
Dec-11-08 09:35 PM |
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We are SO on the same page!!!! |
Husb2Sparkly |
Dec-11-08 05:53 PM |
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That's an interesting set of points you make. |
Gregorian |
Dec-11-08 05:57 PM |
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I don't have any problems with efficient cars and electric cars |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:10 PM |
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Management at the big 3 caused many of their own problems |
depakid |
Dec-11-08 05:57 PM |
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I agree with you |
Johonny |
Dec-11-08 06:22 PM |
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That's an interesting idea |
depakid |
Dec-11-08 06:48 PM |
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skip it... it's not worth it. |
bobbolink |
Dec-11-08 06:00 PM |
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Run and hide when you don't have a good response. That's what he really means. n/t |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:22 PM |
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I would have to disagree |
MadHound |
Dec-11-08 06:06 PM |
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No you don't know what you are talking about. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:26 PM |
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. |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 06:37 PM |
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Really? The evidence of my eyes, the evidence stated in the literature, it's all so much bullshit? |
MadHound |
Dec-12-08 06:41 AM |
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I love my Ford Focus |
Blue Gardener |
Dec-11-08 06:08 PM |
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This is what I have been asking: |
question everything |
Dec-11-08 06:09 PM |
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Then what is Detroit's fucking problem? |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 06:11 PM |
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That's the real question, isn't it? |
skepticscott |
Dec-11-08 06:19 PM |
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There is obviously some kind of problem, but those who advocate helping these companies... |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 08:11 PM |
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Did you READ the entire post or just make up what you wanted?? |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:28 PM |
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I'm sorry I drifted off in a daydream when you were talking about your BOSS CAMARO! |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 06:34 PM |
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??? Apparently you didn't read the article at all... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:48 PM |
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What article? You didn't link to an article. |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 06:50 PM |
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Thanks for the non-sequitir argument....what a waste of time you are... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:24 PM |
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If your points were so important, why did you need to give them second billing to |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 07:32 PM |
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Dude are you drinking or something??? |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:36 PM |
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read again. Doesn't answer my questions. |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 06:35 PM |
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Then you have a reading comprehension problem. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:50 PM |
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Your solutions are a bunch of unworkable platitudes. |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 06:54 PM |
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Fair Trade: |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:06 PM |
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Does fair trade mean we get rid of all those Fords made in Mexico? |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 07:07 PM |
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I think it means: |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:16 PM |
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Anecdotal accounts mean nothing |
skepticscott |
Dec-11-08 06:11 PM |
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And your statistics are doubtful because they come from people with agendas |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:59 PM |
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What statistics? |
skepticscott |
Dec-11-08 08:26 PM |
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Thank you. I'm sick to death of this "They built teh hummerz and should fail" crap. |
Edweird |
Dec-11-08 06:12 PM |
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I'm just going back to "clicking" those idiots now |
DainBramaged |
Dec-11-08 06:24 PM |
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You still around? |
bamalib |
Dec-11-08 06:49 PM |
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Part of it IS their problem. |
flvegan |
Dec-11-08 06:43 PM |
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Japan built plenty of shitty cars then too... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 06:54 PM |
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Your bitchin Camaro is a tribute to American Autos |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 06:57 PM |
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Whatever... you are not making any sense... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:27 PM |
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No. |
LeftyMom |
Dec-11-08 08:48 PM |
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Of course they did. |
flvegan |
Dec-11-08 07:14 PM |
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The rest of the car has held up well as well. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:30 PM |
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Good for your one shining example. |
flvegan |
Dec-11-08 08:10 PM |
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Get a clue. |
tabasco |
Dec-11-08 07:19 PM |
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Don't you realize that the fact that a babied Camaro outlives a 300ZX proves that imports suck? |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 07:30 PM |
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Who babies it??? It has been my daily commute car for 12 years |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:34 PM |
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I'm sure you give the car significantly more attention than most people give their cars. |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 07:39 PM |
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Uh.. I do the manufacturer recommended PM's and keep it clean.. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:47 PM |
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If you want to draw conclusions concerning the reliability of different auto brands, probably. |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 07:50 PM |
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Check the resales on a 1995 Z28 Camaro Convertible... |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:59 PM |
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I think your views on "jap cars" might be something less than objective |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 08:05 PM |
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My mother is a "Jap". |
GOPisEvil |
Dec-11-08 09:26 PM |
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Okay, I did. |
flvegan |
Dec-11-08 09:57 PM |
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Between the two of us I'm sure I know more about cars AND statistics. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:40 PM |
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You say your a good mechanic. You maintain the car yourself? |
JVS |
Dec-11-08 07:51 PM |
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It depends but most of the time there's nothing to do but the oil so I let someone do it. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:55 PM |
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I've seen you on TV!!! |
ret5hd |
Dec-12-08 07:47 AM |
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No argument here. |
Jack Sprat |
Dec-11-08 06:57 PM |
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There is nothing wrong with improving efficiency |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:44 PM |
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K&R |
Lifetimedem |
Dec-11-08 07:29 PM |
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OK I've got to get into my AMERICAN made Dodge Charger R/T |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:50 PM |
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Gotta be the stupidest thing I've read all day. |
tabasco |
Dec-11-08 07:48 PM |
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Apparently you don't actually pay attention to car trends. |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:54 PM |
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The point is they did change, and they stayed competitive. eom |
Juniperx |
Dec-12-08 01:02 PM |
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Yeah, that is blatantly stupid, isn't it? |
Juniperx |
Dec-11-08 08:00 PM |
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The Toyota Echo failed in the marketplace--not enough buyers for the small car |
TheBorealAvenger |
Dec-11-08 09:20 PM |
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If American cars are so much better, then why are the top three automakers |
Juniperx |
Dec-11-08 07:49 PM |
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Is there some kind of reading comprehension problem here tonight? |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 07:51 PM |
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No, but there seems to be a problem with cognitive reasoning... |
Juniperx |
Dec-11-08 07:55 PM |
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What's your problem??? |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 08:02 PM |
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No, you didn't say exactly what I said... |
Juniperx |
Dec-11-08 08:32 PM |
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Toyota's asking the EU for a bailout n/t |
tammywammy |
Dec-11-08 10:12 PM |
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Right... that is now... that is economy based... |
Juniperx |
Dec-12-08 01:09 PM |
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My Brother used to have a Corvette and me a BMW 1600 |
Ichingcarpenter |
Dec-11-08 08:00 PM |
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German cars are much better than Japanese |
ddeclue |
Dec-11-08 08:05 PM |
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The 1600 BMW when it came out cost $2500 |
Ichingcarpenter |
Dec-11-08 08:20 PM |
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Our 89 Seville with a 4.5 mounted sideways kicks ass on any turn or curve |
nolabels |
Dec-11-08 08:20 PM |
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My Dad had two Sevilles bought one every 12 years |
Ichingcarpenter |
Dec-11-08 08:37 PM |
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I just kind of picked up the part about going around curves |
nolabels |
Dec-11-08 09:40 PM |
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good post, thanks |
Two Americas |
Dec-11-08 08:21 PM |
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Or maybe the factor is a recession n/t |
economicgeography |
Dec-11-08 08:35 PM |
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what does that mean? |
Two Americas |
Dec-11-08 08:39 PM |
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nice |
mdmc |
Dec-11-08 08:30 PM |
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The "US" automakers were in trouble long before the credit crunch |
Indenturedebtor |
Dec-11-08 10:06 PM |
#147 |
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boy, reading this was fun, i get your point, but... |
dweller |
Dec-11-08 10:38 PM |
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