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Wed Mar-21-07 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #73 |
| 79. This has nothing to do with other cultures. |
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The slimeballs who did this are Americans. And my response is both emotional and intellectual. I've worked with sexually abused children and this case was clearly sexual abuse. Sorry, a grown man masturbating while watching porn in the presence of an 8 year old, is absolutely child abuse. So is having Mommy's boyfriend fuck mommy whild the 8 year old is on the bed, in order to "educate" the child.
As for the one room hypothetical, I not only addressed it, I lived it. Until my son was 4 we lived in a cabin which was essentially one room. We curtained off our bed and waited til our son was asleep to have sex. And had he accidently seen us, I would have had no problem with it. That is NOT the case here.
And before you come up with your sickening bullshit rationalizing clear child abuse, I suggest you read the post of the woman on this thread who suffered an experience similar to the child in this story.
My reaction has nothing to do with puritanism or cultural insensitivity. Though speaking of insensitivity, yours towards child sexual abuse, is pretty impressive.
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| -The punishment for having sex in front of a 9-yr.-old kid? Probation. |
LiberalHeart |
Mar-20-07 08:55 PM |
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Mar-20-07 08:58 PM |
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Absolutely sickening. |
haruka3_2000 |
Mar-20-07 08:58 PM |
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The mother was having sex with the boyfriend in front of the girl. |
lizzy |
Mar-20-07 10:23 PM |
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Ah okay. I'm glad the kid lives with her father. |
haruka3_2000 |
Mar-20-07 10:32 PM |
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Wow! |
cat_girl25 |
Mar-20-07 09:09 PM |
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Someone may have taken liberties with the actual charges |
sandnsea |
Mar-20-07 09:09 PM |
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perhaps this clears that up a little |
Marrah_G |
Mar-20-07 10:20 PM |
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Thank you |
sandnsea |
Mar-20-07 10:50 PM |
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Yeah, the short AP version just doesn't tell the whole thing. |
Marrah_G |
Mar-20-07 10:52 PM |
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I've been wondering if some aspect of a situation like this |
EST |
Mar-20-07 09:21 PM |
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Wow, that post flip flopped more than John McCain! |
Atman |
Mar-20-07 09:30 PM |
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Heehee! Glad you liked it. |
EST |
Mar-20-07 10:26 PM |
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Well, if -watching- is involved, there are many millions of internet users |
karlrschneider |
Mar-20-07 09:35 PM |
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Mar-20-07 09:26 PM |
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They weren't just letting her watch them |
Marrah_G |
Mar-20-07 09:31 PM |
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Some people over here think that is "sexual education", I guess... |
Katzenkavalier |
Mar-20-07 09:38 PM |
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Some people over here seem to have never gotten any. |
karlrschneider |
Mar-20-07 09:43 PM |
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That's lovely. Money shot lessons at the tender age of 9!? |
TWriterD |
Mar-20-07 09:42 PM |
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So you were present during these activities? The article mentions none |
karlrschneider |
Mar-20-07 09:42 PM |
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From the Providence Journal |
Marrah_G |
Mar-20-07 10:08 PM |
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Well, since the kid never complained, I guess she liked watching her parents go at it. |
cat_girl25 |
Mar-20-07 09:35 PM |
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Excuse me? She is 9 |
Katzenkavalier |
Mar-20-07 09:40 PM |
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That is true. |
cat_girl25 |
Mar-20-07 10:13 PM |
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Creepy (and some DUers are creepy, too) |
Katzenkavalier |
Mar-20-07 09:37 PM |
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I agree. This is a form of child abuse. There's nothing natural about it. |
Chimichurri |
Mar-21-07 07:18 AM |
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Most ironic post of the day... |
SidDithers |
Mar-21-07 10:24 PM |
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My parents only had sex four times... |
rucky |
Mar-21-07 10:23 AM |
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How old-fashioned of you! |
spoony |
Mar-22-07 12:51 AM |
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Mar-20-07 09:43 PM |
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How'd this get unlocked? |
devilgrrl |
Mar-20-07 10:11 PM |
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The mods had to clean it up. |
cat_girl25 |
Mar-20-07 10:13 PM |
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This judge is usually tough |
Marrah_G |
Mar-20-07 10:15 PM |
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By the time most children are nine... |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-20-07 11:00 PM |
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Two wrongs don't make a right |
Katzenkavalier |
Mar-20-07 11:02 PM |
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Sex is not "bad" |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Mar-20-07 11:18 PM |
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This was beyond just seeing 2 adults having sex |
Marrah_G |
Mar-20-07 11:03 PM |
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Exactly. |
Katzenkavalier |
Mar-20-07 11:18 PM |
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Watching daddy beat up mommy |
sandnsea |
Mar-20-07 11:15 PM |
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What??? |
cali |
Mar-21-07 10:15 AM |
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If it's directed at the kids, yes |
sandnsea |
Mar-21-07 12:13 PM |
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The double standard of sex and violence |
question everything |
Mar-22-07 12:43 AM |
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In Europe, children see sex |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Mar-20-07 11:15 PM |
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So, in Europe |
Katzenkavalier |
Mar-20-07 11:20 PM |
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You should |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Mar-20-07 11:25 PM |
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Well said and I totally agree... |
XOKCowboy |
Mar-21-07 02:01 PM |
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Interesting that no one answered my question. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-20-07 11:27 PM |
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Your question is invalid |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Mar-20-07 11:28 PM |
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Not invalid at all |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-20-07 11:43 PM |
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When I lived in Europe I didn't see/hear anyone |
Confound W |
Mar-21-07 10:39 AM |
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Where in Europe???? |
LeftishBrit |
Mar-21-07 11:23 AM |
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Are you honestly saying you think this happens in europe? |
Marrah_G |
Mar-21-07 11:30 AM |
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Of course they do! |
Dorian Gray |
Mar-21-07 01:36 PM |
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The parents just have a very liberal attitude about sex |
gravity |
Mar-20-07 11:43 PM |
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I would agree that it's unorthodox |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Mar-20-07 11:59 PM |
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From Post 56 (again...) |
AmyDeLune |
Mar-21-07 12:01 AM |
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How about answering my question |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-21-07 12:06 AM |
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Fallacy of Choice |
cgrindley |
Mar-21-07 11:48 AM |
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Mar-21-07 12:28 AM |
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Mar-21-07 12:46 AM |
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First of all, why so black and white? |
lukasahero |
Mar-21-07 07:31 AM |
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FALSE DICHOTOMY |
gollygee |
Mar-21-07 10:19 AM |
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Logical fallacy |
TrogL |
Mar-21-07 01:39 PM |
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Not a false dilemma... |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-22-07 01:04 AM |
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Wow. |
Horse with no Name |
Mar-21-07 12:46 AM |
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The punishment seems a little too harsh n/t |
951-Riverside |
Mar-21-07 12:47 AM |
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There are many disturbing replies on this thread. |
LouisianaLiberal |
Mar-21-07 02:08 AM |
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Scary isn't it? |
OurVotesCount-Ohio |
Mar-21-07 10:15 AM |
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Agreed |
cgrindley |
Mar-21-07 11:52 AM |
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Thank you LouisianaLiberal... |
Dorian Gray |
Mar-21-07 01:41 PM |
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For sure |
Marie26 |
Mar-21-07 02:05 PM |
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Shouldn't there be a forum dedicated to this type of post? |
ToeBot |
Mar-21-07 02:23 AM |
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I like the idea of an "Inflammatory Bullshit" forum. |
smoogatz |
Mar-21-07 02:00 PM |
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In my liberal opinion... |
jayctravis |
Mar-21-07 02:30 AM |
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as far as it being kinder to not let the child testify--it's a tough call |
orleans |
Mar-21-07 03:07 AM |
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It's child abuse. It's sexual abuse. |
cali |
Mar-21-07 03:54 AM |
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Answer the question please |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-21-07 07:11 AM |
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Stupid loaded question, and |
cali |
Mar-21-07 07:29 AM |
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So you won't answer the question |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-21-07 07:34 AM |
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LOL!!! |
cali |
Mar-21-07 07:42 AM |
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Please show me where the child was asked to watch.. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-21-07 07:59 AM |
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Duh. |
cali |
Mar-21-07 08:11 AM |
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Wrong question |
Marrah_G |
Mar-21-07 07:46 AM |
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You take a few isolated incidents and then condemn an entire town... |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-21-07 08:04 AM |
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Mar-21-07 08:14 AM |
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All I'm doing is asking a question... |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-21-07 08:32 AM |
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They are both bad |
Marrah_G |
Mar-21-07 08:38 AM |
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If they are both bad..... |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-21-07 08:52 AM |
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The two are not comparable |
Marrah_G |
Mar-21-07 09:00 AM |
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I answered your question. You're too |
cali |
Mar-21-07 08:40 AM |
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No, that's not a loving act.. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-21-07 09:01 AM |
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Mar-21-07 09:09 AM |
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I don't countenance child abuse.... |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-21-07 10:09 AM |
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Tough. It is child abuse. Period. Under the law. Everywhere. |
cali |
Mar-21-07 10:42 AM |
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A thought experiment |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-21-07 11:06 AM |
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Your Entire Premise Is So Ignorantly Flawed I'm Amazed You Keep Pushing It. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-21-07 11:40 AM |
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. |
Marrah_G |
Mar-21-07 11:51 AM |
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Right On OMC |
Madspirit |
Mar-21-07 11:59 AM |
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Folks here might want to see this |
lukasahero |
Mar-21-07 01:36 PM |
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Bravo, OMC! |
Dorian Gray |
Mar-21-07 01:48 PM |
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Senior cadets at West Point have a hard time seperating fantasy from reality. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-21-07 10:28 PM |
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Seniors at |
Big Pappa |
Mar-22-07 12:56 AM |
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You managed to miss the point entirely.. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-22-07 01:29 AM |
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So a question. |
Puglover |
Mar-21-07 11:55 AM |
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Nope.. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-21-07 10:17 PM |
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You have stated all in this one post |
Dorian Gray |
Mar-21-07 01:46 PM |
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I would never want to be alone with someone else's children |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-22-07 07:26 AM |
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I don't think anything..... |
Dorian Gray |
Mar-22-07 11:33 AM |
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So why do we arrest people for exposing themselves to children? |
joe_sixpack |
Mar-21-07 10:05 PM |
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Because it offends people... |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-22-07 12:23 PM |
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Your question has been answered, at least twice. If you don't like |
Bunny |
Mar-21-07 08:50 AM |
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I lived there for 12 years |
Marrah_G |
Mar-21-07 08:31 AM |
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Poverty has a way of destroying communities.. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-21-07 08:58 AM |
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This is not about teaching anything |
Marrah_G |
Mar-21-07 09:02 AM |
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False dichotomy |
gollygee |
Mar-21-07 09:36 AM |
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No matter your emotional response, it doesn't make you right |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Mar-21-07 08:44 AM |
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This has nothing to do with other cultures. |
cali |
Mar-21-07 08:58 AM |
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The problem is not so much, as I see it, that the child HAPPENED to see the sex act |
LeftishBrit |
Mar-21-07 11:16 AM |
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Honestly |
Dorian Gray |
Mar-21-07 01:50 PM |
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Ditto |
gollygee |
Mar-21-07 09:36 AM |
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Of course it isn't; I'm deeply frightened that it's illegal in the US. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Mar-21-07 01:04 PM |
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Bravo, Cali! |
Dorian Gray |
Mar-21-07 01:42 PM |
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Wierd. But, what if they all lived in the same room? (nt) |
w4rma |
Mar-21-07 04:14 AM |
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Gee, I don't know. |
cali |
Mar-21-07 07:31 AM |
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That method worked for thousands of years...n/t |
Virginia Dare |
Mar-21-07 08:29 AM |
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This happened to me on many occasions from the ages 6-9 yrs |
movie_girl99 |
Mar-21-07 08:27 AM |
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Thank you for the most enlightening post in this thread |
MathGuy |
Mar-21-07 08:52 AM |
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yeah, it never ceases to amaze me. n/t |
movie_girl99 |
Mar-21-07 09:08 AM |
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Thank you for your honest answer. I'm sorry that you went through |
Bunny |
Mar-21-07 08:53 AM |
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Thanks..I appreciate your kind words n/t |
movie_girl99 |
Mar-21-07 09:08 AM |
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. |
gollygee |
Mar-21-07 09:37 AM |
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Oh Movie girl... |
Dorian Gray |
Mar-21-07 01:52 PM |
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Thank you for the kind words |
movie_girl99 |
Mar-22-07 08:05 AM |
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You are very strong |
Dorian Gray |
Mar-22-07 11:32 AM |
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Probation isn't even appropriate - it's not illegal. |
qwlauren35 |
Mar-21-07 09:00 AM |
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It clearly is illegal under RI law. |
cali |
Mar-21-07 09:11 AM |
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I sleep with my daughter |
gollygee |
Mar-21-07 09:47 AM |
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Just so I'm up on the DU standards for raising children . . . |
gollygee |
Mar-21-07 09:51 AM |
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What brought #1 on? |
TWriterD |
Mar-21-07 10:01 AM |
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There is a group at DU that think all children... |
rexcat |
Mar-21-07 10:35 AM |
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Yikes. I guess I've avoided those threads. (n/t) |
TWriterD |
Mar-21-07 10:51 AM |
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Don't worry, they re-emerge every so often in the Lounge. |
blondeatlast |
Mar-21-07 11:19 AM |
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Wasn't this on SVU the other day? n/t |
rucky |
Mar-21-07 10:21 AM |
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It's amazing... |
youthere |
Mar-21-07 10:38 AM |
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my two cents |
jollyreaper2112 |
Mar-21-07 11:12 AM |
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Interesting point.. |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-22-07 01:23 AM |
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Pedophiles |
Madspirit |
Mar-21-07 11:55 AM |
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Thanks, Madspirit. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Mar-21-07 12:34 PM |
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Yep |
MathGuy |
Mar-21-07 01:07 PM |
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. |
cali |
Mar-21-07 01:10 PM |
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Thanks, Madspirit |
Katzenkavalier |
Mar-21-07 10:06 PM |
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PM me and I'll tell you my real name... |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-22-07 07:34 AM |
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The last thread |
Madspirit |
Mar-21-07 01:18 PM |
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PS and kind of OT |
Madspirit |
Mar-21-07 01:52 PM |
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Yes, sex is a beautiful thing.... |
joe_sixpack |
Mar-21-07 10:26 PM |
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I noticed there's a deleted subthread |
thecatburgler |
Mar-21-07 11:08 PM |
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I don't understand why torture porn like 24 is OK |
Jonathan50 |
Mar-22-07 12:14 AM |
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I'm with Joe |
Craftergrl |
Mar-21-07 11:12 PM |
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what?!?? have they lost their minds!??!! |
aananny7 |
Mar-22-07 12:30 AM |
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You mean Newt Gingrich, Ted Haggard, and Jimmy Swaggert |
Lex |
Mar-22-07 12:35 AM |
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Yeah, well all three are better than watching mommy |
cali |
Mar-22-07 03:11 AM |
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It wasn't really about teaching |
Marrah_G |
Mar-22-07 07:39 AM |
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you'd prefer, what exactly? Prison? Torture? Death Penalty? |
ComerPerro |
Mar-22-07 01:37 AM |
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Um it is called boundaries people |
BoneDaddy |
Mar-22-07 06:46 AM |
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