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Fri Dec-05-08 07:13 PM
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| 92. I forgot to add again. I fixed that. |
| -Can someone explain to me how Caroline Kennedy is more qualifed for NY Senate |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 04:42 PM |
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How much experience did Hillary have??? |
movonne |
Dec-05-08 04:44 PM |
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Hillary was elected, not appointed. |
aquart |
Dec-05-08 04:46 PM |
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And Moynihan was enthusiastic about her candidacy for his seat. nt |
MookieWilson |
Dec-05-08 05:10 PM |
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Hillary was bulldozed in. |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 06:05 PM |
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First, RudyG was running on the R side - a strong candidate, second... |
MookieWilson |
Dec-05-08 06:57 PM |
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With all due respect to the late Moynihan it wasn't his seat to give. |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 07:09 PM |
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RudyG was polling behind Clinton,which is why he dropped out. nt |
MookieWilson |
Dec-05-08 07:34 PM |
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I doubt that Giuliani would have won either way |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 07:54 PM |
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Not pre 911 - He was hated in nyc |
karynnj |
Dec-07-08 08:11 PM |
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Representing New Yorkers? Zilch. We were just a stepping stone. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 04:46 PM |
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Indeed. |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 07:10 PM |
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and now that she's gone to Sec of State it's even clearer. |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 07:14 PM |
#93 |
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It would appear to be the means to an end |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 07:32 PM |
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but she seemed to do a competent job while she was there |
Retrograde |
Dec-07-08 03:11 PM |
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Hillary had been integral to many campaigns since law school. She was a political animal. |
saracat |
Dec-05-08 05:12 PM |
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Hell, she worked for McGovern in Texas. She deserves a reward for that! |
MookieWilson |
Dec-05-08 05:13 PM |
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And she was also on the Nixon impeachment staff. |
saracat |
Dec-05-08 05:17 PM |
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Can you imagine trying to sell McGovern ... to Texans???? |
MookieWilson |
Dec-05-08 05:21 PM |
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Only NY experience. n/t |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 07:41 PM |
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"integral" ??? Other than Bill's - I don't think so Though she was involved in campaigns |
karynnj |
Dec-07-08 08:17 PM |
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Enough to get elected without being appointed by anyone |
Freddie Stubbs |
Dec-05-08 07:50 PM |
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Have you any idea how it came to be that Clinton ran for Senate in NY in the first place |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 07:55 PM |
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I remember very clearly |
Freddie Stubbs |
Dec-06-08 10:30 AM |
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You forgot the part where Nita Lowey had intended to run for the seat |
Raineyb |
Dec-06-08 02:41 PM |
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Apperently Lowey was afraid that Democratic primary voters would pick Hillary over her |
Freddie Stubbs |
Dec-06-08 03:37 PM |
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Or the party apparatus had a talk with her |
Raineyb |
Dec-06-08 05:00 PM |
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Throughout his tenure as AR Gov and POTUS |
clear eye |
Dec-07-08 03:41 PM |
#141 |
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Tell me which one could win a Senate primary. |
aquart |
Dec-05-08 04:44 PM |
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Maybe they wanna keep the trend going. |
mwei924 |
Dec-05-08 04:45 PM |
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She's American Royalty |
leftstreet |
Dec-05-08 04:45 PM |
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I am learning... nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 05:17 PM |
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My email to the Governor (and link) |
clear eye |
Dec-07-08 07:57 PM |
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I don't know why they go for star quality and a recognizable name |
Warpy |
Dec-05-08 04:46 PM |
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If we can't elect a non-famous Dem here in New York |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 04:55 PM |
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Legacies seem to be okay, as long as they are blue |
Donnachaidh |
Dec-05-08 04:49 PM |
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No, like the ad says, "THIS is New York!" |
CTyankee |
Dec-05-08 06:12 PM |
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"Beautiful" is now a serious reason to appoint someone a Senator? I give up. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 06:56 PM |
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Oh, c'mon! Don't be that way. Beautiful has many different attributes including: |
CTyankee |
Dec-05-08 07:02 PM |
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so are the Representatives I listed ugly people |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 07:04 PM |
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I don't think I defined "ugly," did I? n/t |
CTyankee |
Dec-05-08 07:25 PM |
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well, less beautiful then? nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 07:29 PM |
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thank you. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 07:06 PM |
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Easy, she's not |
Wabbajack_ |
Dec-05-08 04:49 PM |
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Divine providence. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-05-08 04:51 PM |
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I have no problem with it as long as she doesn't run in 2010 |
gmudem |
Dec-05-08 04:51 PM |
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I think she is an actual NYer |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 04:54 PM |
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How long was Hillary an "actual New Yorker?" |
goclark |
Dec-05-08 05:30 PM |
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You mean before she ran for Senate? |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 06:09 PM |
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And Caroline has been a part of the New York Life |
goclark |
Dec-05-08 06:32 PM |
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didn't she work for the NYC public schools for a long time? nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 06:47 PM |
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Bloomie got her to volunteer as a fund raiser for NYC public schools. nt |
MookieWilson |
Dec-05-08 06:58 PM |
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Correct. |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 07:03 PM |
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Progress! |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 07:07 PM |
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I forgot to add again. I fixed that. |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 07:13 PM |
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the phrase was not mine; replying to that post. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 06:47 PM |
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Native born New Yorker |
maryf |
Dec-05-08 06:01 PM |
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She lives in NYC and Sagaponack. Has since the kids were born. |
Midlodemocrat |
Dec-05-08 06:52 PM |
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But wouldn't be better to put someone in now who will run in 2010 - that person |
petronius |
Dec-05-08 05:01 PM |
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If NY wants influence in Congress, selecting nobodies wont do it |
DJ13 |
Dec-05-08 04:54 PM |
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Didn't say she was a know-nothing. So all those other reps are nobodies? |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 04:56 PM |
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Caroline would, like Hillary, have no seniority when elected. |
DJ13 |
Dec-05-08 05:01 PM |
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So legislation would magically pass because of her last name? |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 05:09 PM |
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People will always return her calls. nt |
MookieWilson |
Dec-05-08 05:11 PM |
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what about liddy dole? |
leftchick |
Dec-05-08 04:55 PM |
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Maybe Laura Bush will change her mind about Dallas and move here? nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 04:56 PM |
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Some guy on Hardball just compared her unfavorably to... |
walkaway |
Dec-05-08 04:56 PM |
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No, that's insanely untrue. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 04:57 PM |
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Honest...I just saw it |
walkaway |
Dec-05-08 05:00 PM |
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Christ on a bike, why WHY do people compare Palin to Clinton and Kennedy?!?!?!?! |
MookieWilson |
Dec-05-08 05:12 PM |
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Cripes, someone who was top of her law school class compared to Palin? On what grounds? |
saracat |
Dec-05-08 05:19 PM |
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Exactly. And CKS is seen as the smartest of that generation of Ks. |
MookieWilson |
Dec-05-08 05:22 PM |
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Palin couldn't win a battle of wits with my 3-year-old niece. |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 06:12 PM |
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Well, your niece, HRC and CKS wouldn't get in a battle of wits with an unarmed woman. nt |
MookieWilson |
Dec-05-08 06:35 PM |
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That is quite true. LOL |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 06:54 PM |
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and cuter |
walkaway |
Dec-05-08 06:54 PM |
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Caroline's pony Macaroni was smarter than Sarah Palin! |
mitchum |
Dec-05-08 06:31 PM |
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I don't know why I know 'Macaroni', hell, I took sides in the Julie vs. Tricia fight. |
MookieWilson |
Dec-05-08 06:56 PM |
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Macaroni was way smarter than Palin ~ |
goclark |
Dec-06-08 09:11 AM |
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I have a very yellowed scrapbook with newspaper cut outs of Caroline |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Dec-06-08 02:36 PM |
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The person with the longest resume is not always the best person for the job. |
Lex |
Dec-05-08 04:58 PM |
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Great. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-05-08 04:59 PM |
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thank you for understanding my original question. |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 05:19 PM |
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I didn't say she would be better or worse, just that a long resume |
Lex |
Dec-05-08 05:19 PM |
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My premise is not based on counting years alone, but their records. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 05:21 PM |
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A long resume would be including their "records." nt |
Lex |
Dec-05-08 05:25 PM |
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Caroline has a record/resume/whatever you want to call it also |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 05:25 PM |
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So the folks I listed would not make good Senators? nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 05:00 PM |
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Your premise that "they've done it longer so they would be better" is faulty. |
Lex |
Dec-05-08 05:18 PM |
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it's not just about the years - read the links and answer it based on other criteria then. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 05:20 PM |
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You misunderstand. |
Lex |
Dec-05-08 05:24 PM |
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Good genes. nt |
Romulox |
Dec-05-08 04:59 PM |
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How was sonny bono's wife qualified, how was arnold qualified, that doesn't seem to be important. |
madmom |
Dec-05-08 05:01 PM |
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Lowey withdrew her name from consideration... |
liberalpragmatist |
Dec-05-08 05:01 PM |
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thanks, hadn't heard that. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 05:02 PM |
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she's not, obviously |
paulk |
Dec-05-08 05:05 PM |
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is she a citizen and over 25 (might be 30, can't recall)? |
amdezurik |
Dec-05-08 05:07 PM |
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30; about half of U.S. Senators were governors or Reps before they took office. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 05:23 PM |
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She isn't. But that's not why she might be chosen. She's being chosen so as not to give any one... |
MookieWilson |
Dec-05-08 05:08 PM |
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Right, a lot more goes into making the decision than "who's done it longer" |
Lex |
Dec-05-08 05:20 PM |
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Right, because after all this NY deserves nothing more than a mere placeholder |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 06:18 PM |
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They deserve a fair primary in which no one has the advantage of appointed incumbency. nt |
MookieWilson |
Dec-05-08 06:35 PM |
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Why wouldn't Caroline run for a full term in 2 years? nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 06:55 PM |
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It would be hard for the leaders of the party to make that argument |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 06:59 PM |
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What makes you think she wouldn't take the job willing to work hard for NY? |
CTyankee |
Dec-05-08 07:29 PM |
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the comparison is not to Bush's kids - it's to elected Democrats |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 07:31 PM |
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I didn't say that. However the word is she doesn't want the job after the 2 years |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 07:40 PM |
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She may just want to serve her country and her state as a public servant |
CTyankee |
Dec-06-08 08:11 AM |
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Then I'd suggest she find another way other than being appointed to the Senate out of the blue. |
Raineyb |
Dec-06-08 10:06 AM |
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I am not totally unsympathetic to your view. In fact, I think it is the strongest argument |
CTyankee |
Dec-07-08 03:02 PM |
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The strongest argument against her appointment is |
clear eye |
Dec-09-08 01:08 PM |
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I kind of don't get this either. Caroline is an accomplished person |
saracat |
Dec-05-08 05:10 PM |
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Yes, it is puzzling |
RFKin2008 |
Dec-06-08 03:14 AM |
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Long-term as Congressperson does not always equal qualifications for Senator (see D. Davis) |
frazzled |
Dec-05-08 05:49 PM |
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how about for the particular people I mentioned? |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 06:51 PM |
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Probably more qualified than Kaufmann in DE. |
pirhana |
Dec-05-08 06:37 PM |
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I think Kaufmann is a good pick for DE - he'll basically continue Biden's work |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 06:53 PM |
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I'm just teasing. But I do find it interesting how all of the sudden |
pirhana |
Dec-05-08 07:20 PM |
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She just IS, damn it! You gotta problem with it? |
DailyGrind51 |
Dec-05-08 06:37 PM |
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I guess I do! |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 06:59 PM |
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"beautiful and famous" in America, that's all one needs for success! |
DailyGrind51 |
Dec-06-08 08:38 AM |
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She'd be great. She's incredibly bright. |
Midlodemocrat |
Dec-05-08 06:55 PM |
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Are the other people I listed, and dozens of other elected Dems in NY, NOT bright? nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 06:56 PM |
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Yes. Caroline's being bright instantly renders all of them dolts. |
Midlodemocrat |
Dec-06-08 06:05 AM |
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Electability. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-05-08 07:28 PM |
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When did NY turn into a red state? nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 07:40 PM |
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Why bother to ask the question if your opinion is the only on that matters to you? |
TexasObserver |
Dec-05-08 07:53 PM |
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Very few posters are addressing my question except to say she's famous and might raise more money. |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 07:58 PM |
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Maybe you can explain what you meant by electability |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 08:00 PM |
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We have plenty of electable Democrats who can fill that seat. |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 07:47 PM |
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Because she's Caroline Kennedy and you're not. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-05-08 07:55 PM |
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And it makes her no more electable than any of the people mentioned in the OP |
Raineyb |
Dec-05-08 07:57 PM |
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Since I inspired this thread ....... |
Husb2Sparkly |
Dec-05-08 07:53 PM |
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Okay, so you want some specifics: how about the loaded handgun in Hinchey's luggage? |
frazzled |
Dec-05-08 10:08 PM |
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That is a real strike against Hinchey. That and he's probably too far left |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Dec-05-08 10:31 PM |
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Paterson may choose Andrew Cuomo |
Danmel |
Dec-06-08 03:29 AM |
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Protects the left? We left Dems have long memories |
clear eye |
Dec-09-08 10:11 AM |
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k & R although I dislike your measure of qualification |
hfojvt |
Dec-06-08 04:05 AM |
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I like the notion of "fresh eyes." Caroline is a well read, well educated woman |
Vinca |
Dec-06-08 06:19 AM |
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Caroline Kennedy has no experience, no resume for a Senator. |
robcon |
Dec-06-08 09:05 AM |
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Nita Lowey has declined. She has seniority in the House and wants to be exactly |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Dec-06-08 02:35 PM |
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Apparently she worked as a Senate intern while in college. |
bottomtheweaver |
Dec-06-08 06:02 PM |
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The rest would be invisible in Washington compared to Kennedy's impact at the national level. |
FreeStateDemocrat |
Dec-06-08 09:28 AM |
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O.M.G.!!! She Is The Daughter Of |
zorahopkins |
Dec-06-08 10:37 AM |
#129 |
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Maurice Hinchey is a Progressive unsung hero in the House. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Dec-06-08 02:33 PM |
#130 |
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YES, a thousand times yes to what you said, BUT |
clear eye |
Dec-09-08 12:06 PM |
#152 |
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You make a very good point - I agree with it, so don't start flaming on what I'm going to say next, |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-06-08 05:54 PM |
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For many, the name Kennedy is sufficient in an of itself |
Thothmes |
Dec-06-08 07:41 PM |
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The same argument was likely made about Teddy when he began |
bigtree |
Dec-07-08 08:01 PM |
#143 |
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These are the only people under consideration |
clear eye |
Dec-07-08 08:17 PM |
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She's not. |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-07-08 08:21 PM |
#147 |
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How is she less qualified than Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
whistler162 |
Dec-07-08 10:15 PM |
#148 |
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Are you kidding? or just intentionally deceptive? |
clear eye |
Dec-08-08 05:49 AM |
#149 |
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Kennedy is completely unqualified. |
robcon |
Dec-08-08 06:06 AM |
#150 |
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Can't do it, 'cause she's not! |
Book Lover |
Dec-09-08 12:10 PM |
#153 |
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Beautifully put (and very funny). |
clear eye |
Dec-09-08 01:11 PM |
#155 |
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