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http://zeropollutionmotors.us / Pure Driving: The Revolutionary Compressed Air Vehicle
If you can, imagine a vehicle that runs on air, achieves over 100 gas-equivalent mpg and over 90 mph, has zero to low C02 emissions, seats six, has plenty of space for luggage, cuts no safety corners, and costs no more than an average economy to mid-size vehicle.
This is the expected performance of the revolutionary compressed air vehicle that Zero Pollution Motors (ZPM) is introducing to North America. The vehicle is powered by the Compressed Air Engine (CAE) developed by Motor Development International (MDI), a 15-year old company based in Nice, France, and headed by inventor and Formula One race car engineer, Guy Negre. ZPM is the exclusive representative for MDI in the United States.
six seater orange six seater green
Meet the Air Vehicle Family
MDI has announced the model names it will use on its market models. The overall car brand will be the FlowAIR. The existing protytypes will retain their first names to now become the

One FlowAIR, Mini FlowAIR, and City FlowAIR. The urban public transportation concept vehicles will be know as the Multi FlowAIR.
Competitive Price
We estimate the cost of purchasing a six-seater, 75hp Air Car will be approximately $17,800, proving that buying “green” doesn’t have to cost more. Not only is the price amazingly affordable, but it will cost you up to five times less in fuel consumption than an equivalent gasoline powered car. The Air Car is a totally new breed of cars entirely conceived to achieve low prices:
Ingenious design. The car’s modular, advanced materials and manufacturing techniques simplify manufacture.
No dealer’s = no middleman costs. In our business model, your Air Car is delivered to you directly from the local/regional factory, eliminating any dealer mark-up and shipping costs.
Low fuel costs. You can get an equivalent of 106 MPG. It can cost as little as $2 to refill your tank with air.
Simple maintenance. All parts will be supplied by the manufacturer to a network of licensed repair shops that will simply replace defective parts. It is easy, fast and first class since all parts are new.
Reduced maintenance anyway. The Air Car requires no cooling circuit and uses no hot gases.
No combustion = no residues. An oil change is only necessary every 31,000 miles!Vehicle Specifications
Length - 13.4 ft Width - 5.97 ft Height - 5.74 ft Seating - 6 seats Trunk volume - 35 cubic ft Weight - 1874 lbs Engine - 6 Cyl. Power - 75 hp Max Speed - 96 mph* Mileage - 106 mpg* Range - 848 miles (8 gal tank) * Co2 - 0.141 lbs/mile (at speeds >35mph; zero emissions at <35mph)
* estimated performance and subject to change
Standard Features will include:
Computer based screen display of vehicle control parameters Full CFC-free A/C Airbags Fully reclining driver’s seat Power windows, door locks and mirrors Deluxe AM/FM stereo with cassette and cd player, optional GPS Rear window defogger Concealed spare tire All season 13-inch radial tires A cold weather package will be available
Engine and Transmission Characteristics include:
Horsepower: 75 Power source: Electronically injected compressed air Oil volume and oil change interval: 0.8 liter at 50,000 miles Engine mount: Rear Transmission: Automatic, Continually Variable Transmission. Rear wheel drive. Suspension: Front coil spring, rear pneumatic. Steering mechanism: Rack and pinion. Chassis and body materials: Aluminum and fiber glass. Tanks: Thermoplastic lining and carbon fiber.
Fuel Characteristics:
Compressed Air: 3200 ft3 @ 4500 psi Charger: On board 5.5 kwh 110/220 v compressor generating 812 ft3 /hr.
High Fuel Economy
The Compressed Air Vehicles’s revolutionary compressed air engine is expected to achieve a fuel economy of a remarkable 106 miles per gallon. When the energy used to heat compressed air entering the engine is accounted for, and average driving speeds factored, the average economy is expected to be 106 gasoline-equivalent mpg. See How the CAE Engine Works. Compare the Compressed Air Vehicle’s fuel economy with those vehicles listed as “The Greenest Vehicles of 2007” by the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy (Source: www.greenercars.com ). Make and Model Specifications Emission Standarda MPG: City MPG: Hwy Green Score TOYOTA PRIUS 1.5L 4, auto CVT Tier 2 bin 3 / PZEV 48 45 53 HONDA CIVIC HYBRID 1.3L 4, auto CVT Tier 2 bin 2 / PZEV 40 45 51 SMART FORTWO CONVERTIBLE/COUPE 1.0L 3, auto stk
Tier 2 bin 5 / ULEV II 33 41 49 HONDA FIT 1.5L 4, auto Tier 2 bin 5 / LEV II 27 34 43 FORD ESCAPE HYBRID 2.3L 4, auto CVT Tier 2 bin 3 / PZEV 34 30 42 HYUNDAI SONATA 2.4L 4, auto Tier 2 bin 5 / ULEV II 21 30 39
SUBARU OUTBACK WAGON 2.5L 4, auto stk 4wd Tier 2 bin 5 / PZEV 20 26 37 NISSAN ROGUE 2.5L 4, auto Tier 2 bin 5 / LEV II 22 27 37 TOYOTA TACOMA 2.7L 4, auto Tier 2 bin 5 / LEV II 19 25 34 TOYOTA SIENNA 3.5L 6, auto Tier 2 bin 5 / ULEV II 17 23 33
CHEVROLET TAHOE HYBRID C1500 6.0L 8, auto Tier 2 bin 5 / LEV II 21 22 28 NISSAN FRONTIER 4.0L 6, auto 4wd Tier 2 bin 5 / ULEV II 14 19 27
denotes premium gasoline. “auto CVT” denotes continuously variable automatic transmission. “auto stk” denotes manually adjustable automatic transmission. a A listing with two emission standards (e.g., Tier 2 bin 3 / PZEV) denotes a single vehicle carrying both a federal and California emission certification. Green Scores for such listings reflect the cleaner of the two certifications.
Refueling: The Air Vehicle can be refilled with Air at home or in your parking garage by plugging it into a normal power outlet. The compressed Air tank is also automatically refilling when driving at higher speeds.
World’s Cleanest Car
To drive the world’s cleanest car is no longer wishful thinking. The Compressed Air Vehicle is the first affordable and accessible clean car. It brings us our dream: to drive pollution-free and free of fuel dependency.
At Lower Speeds: Since the Compressed Air Vehicle is running exclusively on compressed air, it emits only air - zero pollution. The air expelled from the tail pipe is actually cleaner than the air used to fill the tank. This is because before compression, the air is run through carbon filters to eliminate dirt, dust, humidity, and other urban air impurities that could hamper the engine’s performance.
At Higher Speeds: At speeds over 35mph the Compressed Air Vehicle uses small amounts of fuel–either gasoline, propane, ethanol or bio fuels–to heat air inside a heating chamber as it enters the engine. This process produces emissions of only 0.141lbs of CO2 per mile. That is up to 4 times less than the average vehicle and more than two times less than the cleanest vehicle available today. (Toyota Prius 07 Emissions: 0.34 lbs of CO2 per mile. Source: www.hybridcars.com )
See How the CAE Engine Works
The Compressed Air Vehicle is designed to make a major difference in urban areas especially, where motor vehicles are the single largest contributor to ground-level ozone, a major component of smog. Each year, the cars we drive emit millions of tons of pollutants, contributing heavily to global warming and acid rain. Only a clean technology that is affordable to the many can slow down and eventually - when a critical mass is reached on a global basis - reverse this lethal evolution.

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Frontpage of today's Detroit Free Press ... WOW! |
Bozita |
Dec-05-08 02:49 PM |
#0 |

That's the way to do it. Shove it right down their throats. |
acmavm |
Dec-05-08 02:51 PM |
#1 |
 
Yep |
malaise |
Dec-05-08 04:25 PM |
#16 |
 
Agreed. n/t |
OhioChick |
Dec-05-08 10:08 PM |
#75 |

the so-called 'big 3' never invested in America, or at least not in the later years |
ixion |
Dec-05-08 02:56 PM |
#2 |
 
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-05-08 03:08 PM |
#5 |
  
of course not... people out of work is bad, however |
ixion |
Dec-05-08 04:05 PM |
#13 |
   
Schools next? |
Billy Burnett |
Dec-05-08 05:38 PM |
#24 |
    
Schools are not for profit like these companies. |
aviationpm |
Dec-06-08 08:04 PM |
#231 |
   
Just being stupid. |
gizmo1979 |
Dec-05-08 07:18 PM |
#59 |
    
you seem to think throwing money at the problem will make it better |
ixion |
Dec-06-08 07:34 AM |
#108 |
   
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-06-08 08:44 AM |
#113 |
   
I am not sure withholding money is a better solution |
Gore1FL |
Dec-06-08 02:34 PM |
#190 |
    
I'll tell you a little secret. either way, we're all going to pay. |
notadmblnd |
Dec-06-08 03:44 PM |
#204 |
   
Very true and worthy of it's own thread. It'll hit locally, too-- |
blondeatlast |
Dec-06-08 04:18 PM |
#212 |
   
You're right |
du_grad |
Dec-07-08 02:13 AM |
#261 |
   
really thats what they said with Chrysler bailout and the Mexican bailout |
grantcart |
Dec-06-08 03:47 PM |
#205 |
   
The way out of debt |
dglow |
Dec-06-08 07:58 PM |
#229 |
   
Oh, ok, destroy the company, who cares about the workers |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:24 AM |
#86 |
  
and the company is going to fail |
ixion |
Dec-06-08 07:35 AM |
#109 |
  
Please tell me where they will find work elswhere. |
marn999 |
Dec-06-08 09:20 AM |
#118 |
   
please show me where we're guaranteed a job in the constitution, |
ixion |
Dec-06-08 09:31 AM |
#119 |
  
You definitely on the wrong |
gizmo1979 |
Dec-06-08 10:07 AM |
#126 |
   
Libertarian |
Doremus |
Dec-06-08 01:11 PM |
#181 |
    
So true, so true... |
Lithos |
Dec-07-08 01:19 AM |
#260 |
   
Then find them another job, don't support making a product that |
treestar |
Dec-06-08 03:12 PM |
#194 |
  
There are no jobs |
gizmo1979 |
Dec-06-08 04:59 PM |
#218 |
  
Maybe every single person doesn't need to have their own car... |
nankerphelge |
Dec-06-08 08:23 PM |
#234 |
  
That is taking reality into account |
treestar |
Dec-07-08 12:16 AM |
#256 |
  
In case you haven't noticed... |
du_grad |
Dec-07-08 02:30 AM |
#262 |
  
You can argue that it IS guaranteed in the Constition. |
OwnedByFerrets |
Dec-06-08 10:43 AM |
#138 |
   
also in the bill of rights |
madrchsod |
Dec-06-08 10:55 AM |
#144 |
  
who libertarian of you. |
madrchsod |
Dec-06-08 10:53 AM |
#142 |
  
Sure they will, you keep believing that |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 10:53 AM |
#143 |
  
There is no work 'elsewhere'. Aren't you paying any attention? We lost |
acmavm |
Dec-06-08 11:12 AM |
#152 |
  
Where will the workers find work? What about workers in the dealerships? |
blondeatlast |
Dec-06-08 04:19 PM |
#213 |
  
how about employ them to tear down the hummer factory |
mikelgb |
Dec-05-08 04:10 PM |
#14 |
   
Hummer makes about 60,000 a year, why not tear down the Toyota Tundra |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:26 AM |
#88 |
  
allow me to remind you |
ixion |
Dec-06-08 07:47 AM |
#111 |
   
Comparing your phrases to those used byy the wrong side isn't calling you a freeper. |
blondeatlast |
Dec-06-08 04:21 PM |
#214 |
  
It would be cheaper to pay 5 millin people their lost paychecks |
formercia |
Dec-06-08 10:49 AM |
#139 |
 
I can't let you get away with that remark. |
Joe Fields |
Dec-05-08 03:16 PM |
#7 |
  
No, they built themselves a oligopoly |
ixion |
Dec-05-08 04:04 PM |
#12 |
   
I'm with you on this |
anigbrowl |
Dec-05-08 05:38 PM |
#23 |
    
They could just copy Honda, Lexus, and Toyota couldn't they? |
DUlover2909 |
Dec-06-08 04:52 AM |
#83 |
     
Toyota, Honda, etc. don't make cars people want to drive that |
Kalyke |
Dec-06-08 10:12 AM |
#131 |
    
Ha! That's wrong. Those are the cars people DO want to drive. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-06-08 11:10 AM |
#150 |
     
I was in the Hill Country Thanksgiving... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Dec-06-08 05:50 PM |
#220 |
    
A good third of the elderly or more aren't McCain supporters, thankfully. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-06-08 06:08 PM |
#223 |
    
So why is Toyota the biggest selling car in the U.S.? World-wide perhaps? |
VPStoltz |
Dec-06-08 12:19 PM |
#171 |
     
Honestly? Because it's the conventional wisdom |
BleedinHeart |
Dec-06-08 10:07 PM |
#246 |
    
So why are there waiting lists for the Prius? n/t |
mantis49 |
Dec-06-08 01:40 PM |
#185 |
    
i drive a honda, so do 5 of my friends of the top of my head |
Tunkamerica |
Dec-07-08 05:49 AM |
#263 |
    
"I appreciate that there were business reasons why GM felt the car wouldn't be profitable " |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:32 AM |
#90 |
   
Wow, that is a very selfish outlook |
revolve |
Dec-05-08 06:18 PM |
#27 |
    
that's great... let them bail them out |
ixion |
Dec-05-08 06:38 PM |
#36 |
   
Okay, since the auto industry in responsible for aproximately 1 in 10 jobs |
revolve |
Dec-05-08 06:43 PM |
#41 |
   
Surely you know 1000 people. Can you name 100 who work in the auto industry? |
TexasObserver |
Dec-06-08 11:18 AM |
#157 |
   
Out of a 1000 people I know... |
Chan790 |
Dec-06-08 03:35 PM |
#200 |
   
I've owned many, many American made cars, which is why I know they're inferior. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-06-08 03:43 PM |
#203 |
   
Seeya in the bread line. |
Chan790 |
Dec-06-08 04:45 PM |
#216 |
   
No, you'll be there without me. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-06-08 05:58 PM |
#222 |
   
OH and the transplants in the Southern tier right to work states have? |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:28 AM |
#89 |
  
The automobile industry built America? |
Seldona |
Dec-06-08 04:40 AM |
#82 |
   
You laugh, but tell me what's so far fetched about that notion? |
Joe Fields |
Dec-06-08 10:04 PM |
#245 |
    
What was the best selling model of car in 1776? |
Seldona |
Dec-07-08 12:22 AM |
#257 |
   
Great point! |
Tunkamerica |
Dec-07-08 06:03 AM |
#264 |
   
Uh yeah!! And WWII? |
muntrv |
Dec-06-08 11:13 PM |
#251 |
   
(Insert jingoistic claim here) |
JVS |
Dec-07-08 12:05 AM |
#255 |
  
No, not even close to ten percent of the jobs are tied to the American auto industry. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-06-08 11:06 AM |
#148 |
 
Ten percent is a conservative estimate. Some say close to fourteen percent. |
Joe Fields |
Dec-06-08 10:03 PM |
#244 |
 
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG AND WRONG. |
Festivito |
Dec-05-08 04:22 PM |
#15 |
  
These people that think their livlihoods don't depend on Automakers |
notadmblnd |
Dec-06-08 04:11 PM |
#210 |
 
Amen. If you look at how bad things are in Detroit now, that is the handiwork of the big 3 |
JVS |
Dec-05-08 05:25 PM |
#21 |
  
The auto companies are planning to let 20,000-30,000 workers go ... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-05-08 06:56 PM |
#48 |
 
Nationalize oil, from who, the Russians and Saudis? |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:36 AM |
#91 |
 
People in Iraq are dead because of LIES ... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-06-08 12:46 PM |
#175 |
 
You are just too funny. Defend and protect what? |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 07:32 PM |
#227 |
 
Where's the Alaska oil going--?? Not to US -- Will be shipped out --!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-06-08 11:27 PM |
#252 |
 
Yes, where is it going, why don't you tell us, all wise sage. |
DainBramaged |
Dec-07-08 09:14 AM |
#265 |
 
OK, I KNOW you don't have the guts to respond, so I will for you |
DainBramaged |
Dec-07-08 10:19 AM |
#266 |
 
OIL- not crude -- still be shipped out ... US doesn't get it -- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-07-08 09:06 PM |
#267 |
 
(sigh) nice try. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ LOSER |
DainBramaged |
Dec-08-08 11:33 PM |
#269 |
 
Never invested in American? |
BreatheOnMe |
Dec-05-08 05:46 PM |
#25 |
 
Those Union Jobs are worth saving. And if they go, your job is next. nt |
TheGoldenRule |
Dec-05-08 05:53 PM |
#26 |
  
too late... the company I was working for failed in 2007... no bailout was offered |
ixion |
Dec-05-08 06:37 PM |
#35 |
 
So what, you're jealous that hard working Union workers may get to keep their jobs? |
TheGoldenRule |
Dec-05-08 06:45 PM |
#42 |
  
Workers can keep their jobs if US buys plants -- build ELECTRIC CARS --- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-05-08 06:48 PM |
#44 |
   
They would be layed off for a long time |
revolve |
Dec-05-08 06:52 PM |
#47 |
    
BS -- those cars are ready -- they were on the roads in late '90's in CA -- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-05-08 06:58 PM |
#49 |
     
oh no !!!!!! electric cars are here-----chevy volt |
madrchsod |
Dec-06-08 10:30 AM |
#134 |
    
Right, Californians wanted to buy everyone of the Electric Cars ... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-06-08 12:43 PM |
#174 |
    
Protect the profits for their Big Oil buddies is more like it |
Lorien |
Dec-06-08 01:27 PM |
#182 |
    
Absolutely -- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-06-08 03:29 PM |
#198 |
    
And therein lies the problems. Americans are so self-serving-righteous. |
VPStoltz |
Dec-06-08 12:24 PM |
#172 |
   
You can't build something |
gizmo1979 |
Dec-05-08 07:59 PM |
#65 |
    
What's looney is to believe that it's at all sensible to keep building gas |
Lorien |
Dec-06-08 01:29 PM |
#183 |
   
Prius production is only 7% of the total of cars and trucks Toyota builds |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:40 AM |
#92 |
  
not jealous, I just don't see the point |
ixion |
Dec-05-08 07:16 PM |
#57 |
   
A tech worker can go |
gizmo1979 |
Dec-05-08 08:01 PM |
#67 |
   
Tech workers? Pshaw. |
ContinentalOp |
Dec-05-08 08:07 PM |
#70 |
  
Yep... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Dec-06-08 05:58 PM |
#221 |
 
You seem to have lost alot of jobs |
gizmo1979 |
Dec-05-08 07:56 PM |
#64 |
  
start-ups come and go...and they fail often |
ixion |
Dec-05-08 10:21 PM |
#77 |
 
Not a problem |
gizmo1979 |
Dec-06-08 09:15 AM |
#116 |
 
gee, that's productive |
ixion |
Dec-06-08 09:32 AM |
#120 |
 
Just as productive as having a |
gizmo1979 |
Dec-06-08 09:47 AM |
#123 |
 
so you got your wish... |
ixion |
Dec-06-08 12:53 PM |
#178 |
 
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Dec-05-08 10:20 PM |
#76 |
  
you miss my point... it's not about me, but typical of most professions |
ixion |
Dec-06-08 07:38 AM |
#110 |
  
A truer statment has |
gizmo1979 |
Dec-06-08 09:16 AM |
#117 |
 
You don't understand |
vanboggie |
Dec-06-08 09:04 AM |
#115 |
 
I understand why you feel that way |
life long demo |
Dec-06-08 12:51 PM |
#177 |
 
Well, GM killed the trains and trolleys, Ford was a Nazi and a racist and Chrysler |
DonEBrook |
Dec-05-08 06:27 PM |
#31 |
  
GM also crushed THOUSANDS of electric cars in Calif --!!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-05-08 07:00 PM |
#50 |
   
Yep, they sure did! |
DonEBrook |
Dec-05-08 07:40 PM |
#60 |
   
Get over it already, and they are OLD OLD technology |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:20 AM |
#84 |
  
I'm for saving the auto makers, certainly |
Bluenorthwest |
Dec-06-08 08:53 AM |
#114 |
  
Trains are old technology? Yep they sure as fuck are and still far more efficient than |
DonEBrook |
Dec-06-08 11:23 AM |
#159 |
  
Isn't GM already invested in trains? |
stillcool47 |
Dec-06-08 07:58 PM |
#230 |
  
What the hell do Nazis |
gizmo1979 |
Dec-05-08 08:03 PM |
#69 |
  
And what year are you living in???? Get over it you were NOT born then |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:43 AM |
#93 |
   
You should have quit smoking that shit before it worked its magic. |
DonEBrook |
Dec-06-08 11:24 AM |
#161 |
  
You should go back to sniffing glue. Your talking points don't work around here. |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 11:42 AM |
#165 |
  
My father grew up in Detroit and he was already disjusted with the auto makers back in the 60's. |
VPStoltz |
Dec-06-08 12:28 PM |
#173 |
 
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Name removed |
Dec-05-08 06:28 PM |
#32 |
  
I don't hate American workers, I happen to be one |
ixion |
Dec-05-08 06:36 PM |
#34 |
 
It's over a million jobs. |
gizmo1979 |
Dec-05-08 06:42 PM |
#39 |
  
at least that many were shed in the dot com burst... one of mine among them |
ixion |
Dec-05-08 07:17 PM |
#58 |
 
You're not thinking logically |
gizmo1979 |
Dec-05-08 07:55 PM |
#62 |
 
gee, I'm glad you think so highly of tech jobs... |
ixion |
Dec-05-08 08:55 PM |
#73 |
 
I didn't make my point very clearly. |
gizmo1979 |
Dec-06-08 10:10 AM |
#129 |
 
You are a bitter jealous person, that's what your problem is. |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:47 AM |
#94 |
 
look, I'm happy to debate this with you... |
ixion |
Dec-06-08 07:52 AM |
#112 |
 
Sure, I think, since you are so sensitive to arguing about people you know nothing about |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 10:52 AM |
#141 |
 
They built cars for Exxon-Mobil....let them bail them out -- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-05-08 06:50 PM |
#46 |
 
May I suggest a modified bailout |
Jack Rabbit |
Dec-05-08 07:01 PM |
#51 |
 
and the trillions to the banks are ok because, well, the decision has already been made? please |
natrat |
Dec-05-08 10:26 PM |
#78 |
  
of course not... I didn't support those bailouts, either |
ixion |
Dec-06-08 07:32 AM |
#107 |
 
Have you noticed that very serious recession were in? |
High Plains |
Dec-06-08 09:35 PM |
#241 |
 
I guess jobs and technology aren't an investment in America? |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:22 AM |
#85 |
 
It's not the workers as much as it is the decisions to give the green light on crappy products. |
HypnoToad |
Dec-06-08 06:22 AM |
#106 |
 
3 to 5 million American jobs is not investing in America to you? |
Kalyke |
Dec-06-08 10:09 AM |
#127 |
 
good idea...kill off the auto industry when they make |
madrchsod |
Dec-06-08 10:20 AM |
#132 |
 
Agreed. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-06-08 10:58 AM |
#147 |
  
But guess what? that money comes back here. where do you think the money |
notadmblnd |
Dec-06-08 04:00 PM |
#208 |
 
you look funny without a nose! n/t |
frogcycle |
Dec-06-08 12:00 PM |
#169 |
 
You have no idea what you are talking about |
BeatleBoot |
Dec-06-08 12:53 PM |
#179 |
 
they certainly did help America...read some history books...... |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Dec-06-08 01:01 PM |
#180 |
 
Who do you think kept the economy going after 911? Or we can goe even further back to WWII |
notadmblnd |
Dec-06-08 03:28 PM |
#197 |
 
I'll put my vehicle up against what you're driving any day. |
notadmblnd |
Dec-06-08 03:36 PM |
#201 |
 
Ever hear of World War Two? |
BobRossi |
Dec-06-08 05:03 PM |
#219 |
 
Yes... |
nankerphelge |
Dec-06-08 08:19 PM |
#232 |
 
kinda taking a crooked line looking at it. |
PatrynXX |
Dec-06-08 08:53 PM |
#236 |

AMEN. |
StreetKnowledge |
Dec-05-08 02:56 PM |
#3 |

I would be willing to bet the UAW paid for that ad. A nice touch, but after watching the two days of |
sarcasmo |
Dec-05-08 03:03 PM |
#4 |
 
It's an editorial, not an ad. |
LisaM |
Dec-05-08 03:25 PM |
#8 |
  
I bet they still paid for it. |
sarcasmo |
Dec-05-08 06:19 PM |
#28 |
 
You dont pay for an editorial |
revolve |
Dec-05-08 06:24 PM |
#30 |
  
In the words of Michael Corleone, "Now who's being naive, Kay?" |
JVS |
Dec-05-08 07:48 PM |
#61 |
  
maybe you're not familiar with where newspapers get their revenue |
TexasObserver |
Dec-06-08 11:24 AM |
#160 |
 
You are from Michigan and you are bitter towards the UAW? |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:51 AM |
#97 |
 
It WASN'T an ad and NO ONE paid for it? |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:49 AM |
#95 |

Why not provide a temporary $3,000 subsidy for the buyers of American cars? |
screembloodymurder |
Dec-05-08 03:15 PM |
#6 |
 
Is your SUV an American product? |
LisaM |
Dec-05-08 03:27 PM |
#9 |
 
What's "an American car"? |
Tesha |
Dec-05-08 05:35 PM |
#22 |
 
The big Three do that every day in rebates |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:52 AM |
#98 |

If we're going to do it we should own them 100% |
high density |
Dec-05-08 03:28 PM |
#10 |
 
Why don't we OWN Toyota and Honda too? Their sales are in the toilet |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:54 AM |
#99 |

Maybe because our tax payments go into the US Treasury |
tabasco |
Dec-06-08 03:57 PM |
#207 |

So you're saying that the Japanese transplants shouldn't be Nationalized? |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 07:46 PM |
#228 |

The Big 3 didn't go to Japan asking for a loan. |
tabasco |
Dec-06-08 08:59 PM |
#238 |

And you don't know anything about Japan propping up Toyota, Honda and Nissan??? |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 09:37 PM |
#242 |

Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-06-08 10:34 PM |
#249 |

Then why do you look in the mirror every day? |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 10:46 PM |
#250 |

I used to be for the bailout |
gaspee |
Dec-05-08 03:50 PM |
#11 |
 
It's a loan, not a bailout. n/t |
LisaM |
Dec-05-08 06:40 PM |
#38 |
  
It's a bailout. That's what government loans like this are, and what they're called. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-06-08 11:30 AM |
#164 |
 
Wow, do you pay your gifts back with interest? |
1gobluedem |
Dec-06-08 08:49 PM |
#235 |
 
I have a 2002 Ford Focus that has never had any service done |
mycritters2 |
Dec-05-08 08:01 PM |
#66 |
 
I'm sorry your experience was so bad, but I must say |
brazenlyliberal |
Dec-05-08 08:02 PM |
#68 |
  
I think it's the model |
gaspee |
Dec-05-08 08:30 PM |
#71 |
 
Yeah, I really do feel for you. |
brazenlyliberal |
Dec-05-08 09:38 PM |
#74 |
 
Sounds to me like you should be angry at the "repair guys" for not fixing it right the first time. |
madmom |
Dec-06-08 11:09 AM |
#149 |
 
Why not Dodge for not making it right the first time? |
JVS |
Dec-06-08 11:17 AM |
#154 |
 
Everything is not always perfect the first time and so needs to be made right. The repair guys took |
madmom |
Dec-06-08 12:03 PM |
#170 |
 
It's Dodge's fault |
gaspee |
Dec-06-08 01:54 PM |
#187 |
 
If it was recalls you shouldn't have tp pay a dime! |
madmom |
Dec-06-08 02:38 PM |
#191 |
 
Too much of it wasn't though |
gaspee |
Dec-06-08 04:49 PM |
#217 |
 
Sounds exactly like the Fix Or Repair Daily F-150 I had. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-06-08 11:28 AM |
#163 |
  
Ford Ranger broke down the day I drove it off the lot. |
tabasco |
Dec-06-08 04:28 PM |
#215 |
 
Many of those dealers don't even worry about servicing cars they sold. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-06-08 08:21 PM |
#233 |
 
There is a Chevy dealer where I live now that is great. |
tabasco |
Dec-06-08 08:56 PM |
#237 |
 
finding good mechanics |
bongbong |
Dec-06-08 03:08 PM |
#193 |

Beautiful. Too bad no one will want to buy a "souvenir" copy of it. |
ogneopasno |
Dec-05-08 04:27 PM |
#17 |

K & fookin' R ... |
AzDar |
Dec-05-08 05:18 PM |
#18 |

The big 3 produce mostly crap, yet the health of the unions is imperative. |
Peake |
Dec-05-08 05:20 PM |
#19 |
 
Yes, they did, and I know it first hand |
Nexus7 |
Dec-05-08 07:13 PM |
#56 |
 
The Big 3 produce crap? Back your statement up. Oh wait why should you |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:57 AM |
#100 |

The Big 3 Produce GLOBAL-WARMING, AIR-POLLUTING, RESOURCE-DEPLETING Crap!!!! |
Herman74 |
Dec-06-08 10:05 AM |
#125 |

So does every other automaker...what's your point? |
jakefrep |
Dec-06-08 10:09 AM |
#128 |

Tool |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 10:49 AM |
#140 |

Does anyone else find it disturbing that the Detroit media is the mouthpiece of the big 3? |
JVS |
Dec-05-08 05:23 PM |
#20 |
 
That is just dumb |
revolve |
Dec-05-08 06:23 PM |
#29 |
  
Have you been to detroit over the last 20 years? It's been dying with the big 3 |
JVS |
Dec-05-08 06:28 PM |
#33 |
 
Actualy I go to Detroit all the time |
revolve |
Dec-05-08 06:38 PM |
#37 |
  
The same thing that happened in Pittsburgh. Eventually the city would develop an economy... |
JVS |
Dec-05-08 06:43 PM |
#40 |
 
Precisely - briefly visited Pittsburgh in the late seventies and it was falling apart. Went back for |
apocalypsehow |
Dec-05-08 07:09 PM |
#55 |
 
And how many years did it take Pittsburgh to recover??? |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 05:59 AM |
#101 |
 
When the steel industry in Pittsburgh died there were other jobs out there to be had, in case you |
madmom |
Dec-06-08 11:19 AM |
#158 |
 
It's been "dying" with the purposeful help of Big 3 .... |
defendandprotect |
Dec-05-08 07:03 PM |
#52 |
 
It's disgusting |
HEyHEY |
Dec-05-08 06:49 PM |
#45 |
 
Agree -- let US take over plants -- build electric cars -- |
defendandprotect |
Dec-05-08 07:04 PM |
#54 |
  
OK, I've had enough of your "meme" |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 06:01 AM |
#102 |
 
The Freep is tied to the mast of the big 3 |
AngryAmish |
Dec-06-08 09:39 AM |
#121 |
 
Why is that a bad thing? |
jakefrep |
Dec-06-08 10:12 AM |
#130 |

I have to explain to you why a corporate directed media is a bad thing? |
JVS |
Dec-06-08 10:33 PM |
#248 |

Since when does having a clue what they're writing about = "corporate-directed media"? |
jakefrep |
Dec-06-08 11:45 PM |
#253 |

Since when is being the big three's stooge knowing what they're writing about? |
JVS |
Dec-07-08 12:00 AM |
#254 |

This resembles the "hurt the board of ed by defeating their budget" arguement. |
jazzjunkysue |
Dec-05-08 06:47 PM |
#43 |
 
You are wasting your time, there is a cadre of people here who's EXPRESS purpose |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 06:03 AM |
#103 |

Late to the game, but proud to kick and rec nonetheless. n/t |
ColbertWatcher |
Dec-05-08 07:03 PM |
#53 |

Well done. |
BrklynLiberal |
Dec-05-08 07:56 PM |
#63 |

END OF THE ROAD: IS THE AUTO INDUSTRY DEAD??? |
BrklynLiberal |
Dec-05-08 08:32 PM |
#72 |

America needs a new vision that involves alternative energy and transportation |
windoe |
Dec-06-08 02:13 AM |
#79 |
 
New cool designs? Is that what you are about, new cool designs??? |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 06:04 AM |
#104 |
 
they had to take part of the r&d research money to keep the industry afloat |
madrchsod |
Dec-06-08 10:35 AM |
#135 |

1,000 copies of this edition of the DFP were hand delivered to all Congresscritters on the Hill |
Bozita |
Dec-06-08 02:14 AM |
#80 |

k+r |
Blue_Tires |
Dec-06-08 02:48 AM |
#81 |

Ben Stein (of all people) says "Rescue them PRONTO" |
judasdisney |
Dec-06-08 05:24 AM |
#87 |

Why is Congress anti-labor but pro bank and Wall Street? |
antimatter98 |
Dec-06-08 05:49 AM |
#96 |
 
HEAR HEAR |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 06:13 AM |
#105 |

Just an off-topic curiosity |
DirtyJersey |
Dec-06-08 06:24 PM |
#225 |

There aren't any longer |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 07:23 PM |
#226 |

I vote to Loan them the Money. |
BlueJazz |
Dec-06-08 09:39 AM |
#122 |

Nice! |
ellie |
Dec-06-08 09:54 AM |
#124 |
 
simple solutions to resolve a problem? |
madrchsod |
Dec-06-08 10:25 AM |
#133 |

Although I HATE the phrase UNPATRIOTIC, I believe it fits |
OwnedByFerrets |
Dec-06-08 10:39 AM |
#136 |

Kudos to the Free Press. I'm sure the smug assholes |
sufrommich |
Dec-06-08 10:39 AM |
#137 |
 
yes ---i just found out we do not have a "right" to be employed |
madrchsod |
Dec-06-08 10:58 AM |
#146 |

It's the old "why should a factory rat have a good job when |
sufrommich |
Dec-06-08 11:14 AM |
#153 |

We could eat dirt? |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 11:17 AM |
#155 |

they're just sucking up to their classified ad customer base |
TexasObserver |
Dec-06-08 10:55 AM |
#145 |
 
really.... |
madrchsod |
Dec-06-08 11:11 AM |
#151 |
  
Wow truthiness, I am impressed. |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 11:18 AM |
#156 |
  
All of which, if true, means nothing in the marketplace as long as people think they're crap. |
DonEBrook |
Dec-06-08 11:27 AM |
#162 |
   
Keep spouting those Right wing talking points |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 11:44 AM |
#167 |
  
Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Dec-06-08 12:49 PM |
#176 |
  
If that were true, the Big Three wouldn't be on death's doorstep. |
TexasObserver |
Dec-06-08 11:43 AM |
#166 |
   
But what happens to millions of workers until then, states are already running out of unemployment |
madmom |
Dec-06-08 11:48 AM |
#168 |
  
Just return from the 'Mother Ship'.....? Again.... |
Broadslidin |
Dec-06-08 02:21 PM |
#189 |
  
Lying will not make your case. |
tabasco |
Dec-06-08 04:17 PM |
#211 |
  
Then why |
skepticscott |
Dec-06-08 09:06 PM |
#239 |
 
And what about their workers? Tough shit, eh? |
High Plains |
Dec-06-08 09:45 PM |
#243 |

Sometimes desperate times do in fact call for desperate measures. |
The Animator |
Dec-06-08 01:30 PM |
#184 |

They need to convert to zero pollution motors style of green for ordinary cars |
sce56 |
Dec-06-08 01:51 PM |
#186 |

GM: Innovation sacrificed to profits --- NY Times article today. |
antimatter98 |
Dec-06-08 02:20 PM |
#188 |

clueless opinions on this topic |
bongbong |
Dec-06-08 03:00 PM |
#192 |
 
please do`t blind people with the truth |
madrchsod |
Dec-06-08 03:26 PM |
#196 |
 
There's a few lessons the Big 3 should have learned from the Japanese... |
AntiFascist |
Dec-06-08 03:55 PM |
#206 |

At the moment, saving the industry is more important than the agenda |
Still Sensible |
Dec-06-08 03:23 PM |
#195 |
 
worked when we loaned Chrysler money |
madrchsod |
Dec-06-08 03:31 PM |
#199 |

They need to force the Big 3 to produce real and futuristic products, not crap. |
WritingIsMyReligion |
Dec-06-08 03:37 PM |
#202 |

Maybe they'll do the same now for homelessness? |
bobbolink |
Dec-06-08 04:02 PM |
#209 |

Perhaps these guys should be nationalized. |
PM Martin |
Dec-06-08 06:09 PM |
#224 |
 
So should the Republican party |
DainBramaged |
Dec-06-08 09:25 PM |
#240 |

Outstanding!!! |
spindrifter |
Dec-06-08 10:30 PM |
#247 |

Inaction bred the great depression |
Radical Logik |
Dec-07-08 12:23 AM |
#258 |

I cannot beleive this shight |
painter08 |
Dec-07-08 12:37 AM |
#259 |

Yeesh. Freeper Press is all of a sudden in favor of government spending? |
TOJ |
Dec-07-08 09:15 PM |
#268 |