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Edited on Wed Dec-03-08 04:09 AM by JonLP24
He weighs 8 pounds, 6 ounces and should be nearly 12 pounds.
I don't know how bad that is but it probaly goes back to the point of finances. Anyways, from what I read there are far worse mothers then this one. As soon as she noticed something was wrong she attempted to administer CPR then took the baby to the hospital. As far as not following the instructions(Not all of these are addressed directly to you)
She said she used four scoops of Good Start soy formula in 6 ounces of water instead of what the directions called for, six scoops in 8 ounces of water.
I can clearly see how she made a very honest mistake. When I mix kool-aid and I don't have enough for say 2 liters, I'll adjust the amount of sugar, water, mix accordingly in the exact same way she tried the formula. Obviously not the same thing and shouldn't be treated as such but some of the comments about this woman especially relying on the news to tell you everything about this woman is disgraceful.
on edit: You're right, appearently I can't do basic math.
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| -Baby nearly drowned by watered-down formula ("pro-lifers" created this economic crisis, mind you) |
Double_Talk_Express |
Dec-01-08 04:03 PM |
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It's hard to fix stupid |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-08 04:08 PM |
#1 |
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Seriously. |
Midlodemocrat |
Dec-01-08 04:09 PM |
#2 |
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While she is quite stupid for it --- think of the conditions that caused her to do it. n/t |
Double_Talk_Express |
Dec-01-08 04:10 PM |
#3 |
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The article says nothing other than she thought the formula was expensive |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-08 04:15 PM |
#7 |
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The article says more than that |
Tempest |
Dec-01-08 04:32 PM |
#21 |
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I didn't miss it, but that statement has zero information content |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-08 06:05 PM |
#59 |
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Breastfeeding is the obvious solution for many, if not most poor mothers. |
SoCalDem |
Dec-01-08 04:11 PM |
#5 |
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See reply #16. nt |
OmelasExpat |
Dec-01-08 04:29 PM |
#18 |
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Like I said.. "Some" |
SoCalDem |
Dec-01-08 04:35 PM |
#24 |
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The "some" you mention are not as rare as you think. |
OmelasExpat |
Dec-01-08 04:47 PM |
#31 |
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The article never mentioned her job(s) or a(n) employer(s) |
SoCalDem |
Dec-01-08 04:52 PM |
#33 |
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What do you have to do to get on WIC? |
redstate_democrat |
Dec-01-08 05:06 PM |
#44 |
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Here in CA, it's based on income |
SoCalDem |
Dec-01-08 05:08 PM |
#45 |
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WIC is not as hard to get as food stamps. We have many of our university faculty |
electron_blue |
Dec-02-08 11:13 AM |
#144 |
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i worked and breast fed |
barbtries |
Dec-01-08 06:03 PM |
#57 |
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Well, we also need some serious re-adjustment as a society in our |
JerseygirlCT |
Dec-03-08 07:20 AM |
#163 |
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well, i didn't choose not to, but they do have that right. hate bfing politics... |
krabigirl |
Dec-01-08 06:27 PM |
#72 |
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bfing is NOT easily learned, even if its natural. |
krabigirl |
Dec-01-08 06:25 PM |
#70 |
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I needed two visits with a lactation consultation |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 06:26 PM |
#71 |
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lol, i needed five. After having a baby in the NICU for a month, used to pumped milk in a bottle. |
krabigirl |
Dec-01-08 06:29 PM |
#75 |
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No problems with my first. Plenty with my second |
JerseygirlCT |
Dec-03-08 07:22 AM |
#164 |
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My son would have died before he would breastfeed and that is per the opinion of several lactation |
FedUpWithIt All |
Dec-02-08 07:26 AM |
#132 |
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I agree about breastfeeding |
onlyadream |
Dec-02-08 11:10 AM |
#142 |
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I would hesitate to say that without knowing more details. I would be |
Arkansas Granny |
Dec-01-08 04:16 PM |
#10 |
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You may be right, I am quick to criticize people who do things that seem to ME to be obviously wrong |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-08 04:18 PM |
#13 |
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I'm glad you pointed that out. |
FitzmasAgain |
Dec-01-08 04:28 PM |
#17 |
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People in desperate financial straits do desperate things |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 04:22 PM |
#14 |
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Self-delete |
Crisco |
Dec-01-08 04:38 PM |
#26 |
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'Desperate' often winds up looking like 'stupid'. |
Dr_eldritch |
Dec-01-08 05:48 PM |
#54 |
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She's got a bigger case of "poor," IMO |
Warpy |
Dec-01-08 06:10 PM |
#61 |
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Hospitals have had financial problems too |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 06:17 PM |
#63 |
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Wow. The empathy just OOZES. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-03-08 08:00 AM |
#168 |
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Ummm, breast feeding as an alternative to formula? |
SheilaT |
Dec-01-08 04:11 PM |
#4 |
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Unfortunately, very young mothers sometimes prefer formula |
SoCalDem |
Dec-01-08 04:13 PM |
#6 |
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The new mothers need money for breast pumps and breast milk storage containers |
CottonBear |
Dec-01-08 04:16 PM |
#8 |
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That's true - most poor women don't have the ability to stay home and need to pump |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 04:24 PM |
#15 |
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Especially when baby formula contains Melamine! |
quantessd |
Dec-01-08 04:43 PM |
#28 |
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Too many hospitals and doctors are given free formula, and find it easier |
BrklynLiberal |
Dec-01-08 04:59 PM |
#37 |
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Thanks for the support. |
SheilaT |
Dec-01-08 05:43 PM |
#53 |
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You are right. It is the ignorance that is the real problem. There was a story |
BrklynLiberal |
Dec-01-08 06:24 PM |
#69 |
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well, some of us try and fail at bfing. there's nothing to "get." |
krabigirl |
Dec-01-08 06:23 PM |
#67 |
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At least you were aware enough to know that your baby was not thriving |
BrklynLiberal |
Dec-01-08 06:27 PM |
#74 |
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Formula is a fine alternative |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-02-08 07:12 AM |
#129 |
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Sometimes babies can't take breast milk |
RubyDuby in GA |
Dec-02-08 10:17 AM |
#139 |
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Boy....I must be really stupid too.....or am I just ignorant..... |
canadianbeaver |
Dec-01-08 04:16 PM |
#9 |
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But you do understand that babies need a certain caloric intake, don't you? |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-08 04:17 PM |
#11 |
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Choices made due to her personal economic situation.... |
canadianbeaver |
Dec-01-08 04:59 PM |
#38 |
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I know what you mean. |
Lisa0825 |
Dec-01-08 05:54 PM |
#55 |
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Just to let you know, I understood your post. |
quantessd |
Dec-01-08 07:25 PM |
#97 |
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From one ignoramus to another... |
LanternWaste |
Dec-02-08 10:27 AM |
#140 |
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The baby didn't get sick from getting too skinny |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 06:22 PM |
#65 |
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Honestly, I didn't know about it either, but I don't have kids |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-01-08 06:34 PM |
#76 |
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i didn't know either n/t |
prayin4rain |
Dec-03-08 07:15 AM |
#161 |
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The economic crisis isn't killing babies, |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 04:17 PM |
#12 |
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Gee, maybe she wasn't told about WIC either. |
OmelasExpat |
Dec-01-08 04:27 PM |
#16 |
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That's a good question |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 04:44 PM |
#29 |
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I wonder why she wasn't told about WIC. Would you assume WIC existed if you didn't know? |
OmelasExpat |
Dec-01-08 04:55 PM |
#35 |
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Very few people know about WIC? |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 04:57 PM |
#36 |
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Glad your hospital took that responsibility. Mine didn't. |
OmelasExpat |
Dec-01-08 05:06 PM |
#43 |
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Because knee-jerk blaming is soooo "progressive" |
bobbolink |
Dec-01-08 05:04 PM |
#41 |
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Wondering what the situation is isn't "knee-jerk blaming" |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 05:09 PM |
#46 |
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So, go ahead and judge. It obviously makes you feel good. |
bobbolink |
Dec-01-08 06:19 PM |
#64 |
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I'm not judging |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 06:23 PM |
#68 |
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. |
bobbolink |
Dec-01-08 06:27 PM |
#73 |
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Seems to be a trend |
gaspee |
Dec-01-08 06:04 PM |
#58 |
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Because social darwinism has crept into the left. |
undergroundpanther |
Dec-02-08 02:06 AM |
#122 |
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There is no excuse |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 04:45 PM |
#30 |
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"Help is available, you just have to look for it." |
OmelasExpat |
Dec-01-08 05:03 PM |
#40 |
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You may be right. |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 05:19 PM |
#48 |
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Well, since we're pushing outdated gender roles, howabout we blame |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 06:58 PM |
#85 |
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Did you even read my post? |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 07:28 PM |
#98 |
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Of course I did. It didn't even dawn on you to berate the father until |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 07:35 PM |
#101 |
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The OP stated that the financial crisis |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 07:45 PM |
#103 |
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The OP was pointing out that the current financial climate was |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 08:00 PM |
#106 |
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That's not what the OP said. |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 08:13 PM |
#107 |
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Part of the crisis they helped create is lack of funding for social |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 08:19 PM |
#109 |
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We all have to make choices everyday |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 08:16 PM |
#108 |
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She made the choice to do something that had worked before. |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 08:27 PM |
#111 |
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What's a boozepusher? n/t |
Mushroom |
Dec-01-08 09:47 PM |
#116 |
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I own a liquor store. |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 10:20 PM |
#118 |
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She was getting help. Apparently it wasn't enough. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-01-08 07:03 PM |
#90 |
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Oh come on now.... |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-02-08 07:20 AM |
#130 |
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She did get WIC. She says it wasn't enough. |
quantessd |
Dec-03-08 11:25 AM |
#171 |
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Great point - which is why time to pump really ought to be |
JerseygirlCT |
Dec-03-08 07:16 AM |
#162 |
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pumping is not always successful |
MrsMatt |
Dec-03-08 02:34 PM |
#176 |
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It's funny |
JerseygirlCT |
Dec-03-08 02:42 PM |
#177 |
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Why do we need to be so mean? |
FitzmasAgain |
Dec-01-08 04:30 PM |
#20 |
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Ignorance causes meanness |
Tempest |
Dec-01-08 04:34 PM |
#23 |
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WIC does not provide all the formula an infant needs... |
youthere |
Dec-01-08 05:16 PM |
#47 |
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Glad someone pointed this out |
BamaGirl |
Dec-01-08 05:40 PM |
#52 |
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Like me |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-02-08 07:23 AM |
#131 |
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State WIC programs are getting cut to the bone |
Tempest |
Dec-01-08 04:33 PM |
# |
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I am on WIC and so is my SIL |
HereKittyKitty |
Dec-01-08 08:32 PM |
#113 |
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Not if the mother can't produce enough milk, and I've worked with |
Ilsa |
Dec-01-08 08:36 PM |
#115 |
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Appearently she already went through WIC |
JonLP24 |
Dec-03-08 03:29 AM |
#153 |
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what on earth is WIC????????? |
LSK |
Dec-03-08 02:47 PM |
#178 |
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This has been going on all over the world for many years now. |
WHEN CRABS ROAR |
Dec-01-08 04:30 PM |
#19 |
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I remember my ex-wife getting involved in an anti-Nestle campaign back in the early '90s |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-08 04:33 PM |
#22 |
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That's correct. Hmm I wonder why we're still here after millions of |
WHEN CRABS ROAR |
Dec-01-08 04:38 PM |
#25 |
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Exactly. See my post below |
BrklynLiberal |
Dec-01-08 05:03 PM |
#39 |
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Yep. nt |
anonymous171 |
Dec-03-08 01:55 PM |
#174 |
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I saw something sad in Allentown this week... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Dec-01-08 04:41 PM |
#27 |
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That is really sad. |
quantessd |
Dec-01-08 04:55 PM |
#34 |
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must have been a loss issue or it wouldn't be locked |
proud patriot |
Dec-01-08 05:25 PM |
#49 |
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I've done that before too, and scam or not I was okay with it. |
tnlefty |
Dec-01-08 07:30 PM |
#99 |
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I've done that before too, and scam or not I was okay with it. |
tnlefty |
Dec-01-08 07:30 PM |
#100 |
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I was told by a local Walgreens and have read that |
nocaster |
Dec-02-08 09:36 AM |
#137 |
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Nestle's is a huge marketer of baby formula. There have been reports for years |
BrklynLiberal |
Dec-01-08 04:50 PM |
#32 |
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I confess to ignorance |
Generic Other |
Dec-01-08 05:05 PM |
#42 |
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Wow I never heard of such a thing. |
pending |
Dec-01-08 05:29 PM |
#50 |
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Additional information at link (with snippet) below |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 05:40 PM |
#51 |
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thanks for posting this |
gaspee |
Dec-01-08 06:07 PM |
#60 |
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You and me both! |
Sonicmedusa |
Dec-01-08 06:16 PM |
#62 |
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You're welcome. |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 06:22 PM |
#66 |
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Florida must be a cheapskate state |
SoCalDem |
Dec-01-08 06:45 PM |
#81 |
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Apparently. |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 06:50 PM |
#82 |
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In OK, it's 10 cans |
HereKittyKitty |
Dec-01-08 08:35 PM |
#114 |
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So she actually was on WIC. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-01-08 07:00 PM |
#89 |
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Yes. It wasn't enough. She's going to school. They aren't making |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 07:12 PM |
#94 |
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Might as well just let this board become Free Republic lite. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-01-08 07:21 PM |
#96 |
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The judgementalism always cuts both ways when a poorly written article is cited |
slackmaster |
Dec-02-08 12:17 PM |
#146 |
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Thanks very much for the information, it's very helpful in understanding the situation |
slackmaster |
Dec-02-08 12:15 PM |
#145 |
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"...shirked their journalistic duty." Ain't it the truth? It happens more |
Cerridwen |
Dec-02-08 12:55 PM |
#147 |
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Not stupid |
mbergen |
Dec-01-08 06:03 PM |
#56 |
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I actually find that hard to believe. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-01-08 07:10 PM |
#93 |
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Not to mention the warnings on the can. |
nocaster |
Dec-02-08 09:40 AM |
#138 |
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As a first time pregnant mother to be, this really scares me. |
Tight_rope |
Dec-01-08 06:34 PM |
#77 |
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See post #51 |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 06:37 PM |
#78 |
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Read through the thread |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 06:38 PM |
#79 |
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The baby was also sick from "getting skinny." |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 02:55 AM |
#149 |
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edited |
JonLP24 |
Dec-03-08 04:08 AM |
#154 |
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Her intent was to replace some portion of the food |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 07:49 AM |
#167 |
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I saw the picture eventually and yes he did look skinny |
gollygee |
Dec-03-08 02:49 PM |
#180 |
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Get off your fucking high horse and check back with us |
Sonicmedusa |
Dec-01-08 06:44 PM |
#80 |
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I am a mother |
Pastiche423 |
Dec-01-08 10:17 PM |
#117 |
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THIS IS COMMON IN THIRD-WORLD NATIONS. Really. Only in those cases, the water is also dirty... |
Hekate |
Dec-01-08 06:51 PM |
#83 |
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Wow I am surprised at how harsh many people are towards this |
MadMaddie |
Dec-01-08 06:56 PM |
#84 |
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The article in post #51 explains more |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 06:59 PM |
#87 |
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Mom's in college - ironically in a medical field. |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 02:57 AM |
#150 |
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Cost Of Formula, 1% Of Blame. Her Sheer Stupidity, 99%. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Dec-01-08 06:58 PM |
#86 |
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Oh gee. A woman to blame who isn't Hillary - and there you are. |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 07:04 PM |
#91 |
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You are reading things that aren't there! |
quantessd |
Dec-01-08 07:42 PM |
#102 |
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I'm seeing a years long pattern of posts. This is just one more in |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 07:53 PM |
#105 |
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Oh come on the guy is a jerk, it is pretty easy to read that.. |
bahrbearian |
Dec-03-08 01:37 AM |
#148 |
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Breastfeeding isn't all that easy to get going always |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 07:07 PM |
#92 |
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It isn't that easy. All the higher-order mammals need instruction from older females, I've read... |
Hekate |
Dec-02-08 12:59 AM |
#119 |
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That's not always an option. |
LeftyMom |
Dec-02-08 01:11 AM |
#120 |
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You think you know more than you do about breastfeeding. |
lostnfound |
Dec-02-08 04:34 AM |
#125 |
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Actually, the kid was ALSO starving. |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 03:00 AM |
#151 |
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To my eyes, neither baby nor mom look like a *picture of health*. |
quantessd |
Dec-03-08 11:20 AM |
#170 |
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I agree. |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 01:48 PM |
#172 |
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Ugh! Do you ever post anything that doesn't make you sound like an asshole? |
Raineyb |
Dec-02-08 11:02 AM |
#141 |
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No, wait, don't tell me. That was OPERATIONMINDCRIME, right? |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-03-08 08:03 AM |
#169 |
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I fail to understand how pro-lifers caused this, can you elaborate. n/t |
MiltonF |
Dec-01-08 07:00 PM |
#88 |
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In our political system, the "pro-lifers" |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-01-08 07:19 PM |
#95 |
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You're right - once it's out of the womb and no longer a fetus, the "pro-life" crowd doesn't give a |
kath |
Dec-01-08 08:22 PM |
#110 |
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Women |
undergroundpanther |
Dec-02-08 02:29 AM |
#124 |
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Great post. Better suited as an OP on a new thread, really. |
quantessd |
Dec-03-08 03:04 PM |
#181 |
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Diluted evaporated milk & Kayo syrup and vit. supplements worked for my family |
nc4bo |
Dec-01-08 07:52 PM |
#104 |
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Alot of babies don't tolerate cows' milk protein. That is why so many are |
Ilsa |
Dec-01-08 08:31 PM |
#112 |
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Cows' milk protiens have to be broken down for a baby to digest them. |
LeftyMom |
Dec-02-08 01:16 AM |
#121 |
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So if that woman is that poor, that destitute and unable to get government assistance, she should |
nc4bo |
Dec-02-08 06:37 AM |
#126 |
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Social problems |
undergroundpanther |
Dec-02-08 02:22 AM |
#123 |
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I missed the "pro-lifers" connection. |
nathan hale |
Dec-02-08 06:49 AM |
#127 |
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That's terrible |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-02-08 07:06 AM |
#128 |
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I read this as mainly a "good news" story, and it can also serve as a warning |
slackmaster |
Dec-02-08 08:53 AM |
#133 |
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The underlying problem is not addressed: WIC program is underfunded |
Lars39 |
Dec-02-08 08:56 AM |
#134 |
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I haven't read all the replies or searched for other news coverage, but the OP is not clear at all |
slackmaster |
Dec-02-08 08:59 AM |
#135 |
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Post #51 has links to additional reports with additional information n/t |
Cerridwen |
Dec-02-08 11:12 AM |
#143 |
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What's especially worse about this story is that the mother had a difficult time procuring formula.. |
Earth_First |
Dec-02-08 09:23 AM |
#136 |
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I find this story interesting - and rather scary, |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 03:21 AM |
#152 |
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I nursed my boys and they HATED water from a bottle |
SoCalDem |
Dec-03-08 05:40 AM |
#156 |
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I did not intend to give any supplemental feeding |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 07:40 AM |
#165 |
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I'm so glad that the baby is okay. |
moriah |
Dec-03-08 04:28 AM |
#155 |
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Best response to this thread |
Stuckinthebush |
Dec-03-08 07:47 AM |
#166 |
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4 scoops to 6 ozs vs. 6 scoops to 8 ozs can kill a baby? |
dkf |
Dec-03-08 06:25 AM |
#157 |
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Apparently many in the medical community don't know |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 01:52 PM |
#173 |
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What a sad story. I saw it on the news and the mother doesn't |
Vinca |
Dec-03-08 06:29 AM |
#158 |
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I was told of the dangers of giviing water |
CatsDogsBabies |
Dec-03-08 07:00 AM |
#159 |
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They don't - |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 02:01 PM |
#175 |
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I didn't hear about it from the pediatrician or the hospital |
gollygee |
Dec-03-08 02:48 PM |
#179 |
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WHY aren't more new mothers given the encouragement they need |
JerseygirlCT |
Dec-03-08 07:14 AM |
#160 |
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