| 71. I needed two visits with a lactation consultation |
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Edited on Mon Dec-01-08 06:27 PM by gollygee
at $50 a pop to get it going. If she's having trouble affording formula, she certainly wouldn't be able to afford that.
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| -Baby nearly drowned by watered-down formula ("pro-lifers" created this economic crisis, mind you) |
Double_Talk_Express |
Dec-01-08 04:03 PM |
#0 |
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It's hard to fix stupid |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-08 04:08 PM |
#1 |
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Seriously. |
Midlodemocrat |
Dec-01-08 04:09 PM |
#2 |
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While she is quite stupid for it --- think of the conditions that caused her to do it. n/t |
Double_Talk_Express |
Dec-01-08 04:10 PM |
#3 |
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The article says nothing other than she thought the formula was expensive |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-08 04:15 PM |
#7 |
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The article says more than that |
Tempest |
Dec-01-08 04:32 PM |
#21 |
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I didn't miss it, but that statement has zero information content |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-08 06:05 PM |
#59 |
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Breastfeeding is the obvious solution for many, if not most poor mothers. |
SoCalDem |
Dec-01-08 04:11 PM |
#5 |
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See reply #16. nt |
OmelasExpat |
Dec-01-08 04:29 PM |
#18 |
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Like I said.. "Some" |
SoCalDem |
Dec-01-08 04:35 PM |
#24 |
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The "some" you mention are not as rare as you think. |
OmelasExpat |
Dec-01-08 04:47 PM |
#31 |
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The article never mentioned her job(s) or a(n) employer(s) |
SoCalDem |
Dec-01-08 04:52 PM |
#33 |
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What do you have to do to get on WIC? |
redstate_democrat |
Dec-01-08 05:06 PM |
#44 |
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Here in CA, it's based on income |
SoCalDem |
Dec-01-08 05:08 PM |
#45 |
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WIC is not as hard to get as food stamps. We have many of our university faculty |
electron_blue |
Dec-02-08 11:13 AM |
#144 |
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i worked and breast fed |
barbtries |
Dec-01-08 06:03 PM |
#57 |
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Well, we also need some serious re-adjustment as a society in our |
JerseygirlCT |
Dec-03-08 07:20 AM |
#163 |
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well, i didn't choose not to, but they do have that right. hate bfing politics... |
krabigirl |
Dec-01-08 06:27 PM |
#72 |
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bfing is NOT easily learned, even if its natural. |
krabigirl |
Dec-01-08 06:25 PM |
#70 |
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I needed two visits with a lactation consultation |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 06:26 PM |
#71 |
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lol, i needed five. After having a baby in the NICU for a month, used to pumped milk in a bottle. |
krabigirl |
Dec-01-08 06:29 PM |
#75 |
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No problems with my first. Plenty with my second |
JerseygirlCT |
Dec-03-08 07:22 AM |
#164 |
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My son would have died before he would breastfeed and that is per the opinion of several lactation |
FedUpWithIt All |
Dec-02-08 07:26 AM |
#132 |
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I agree about breastfeeding |
onlyadream |
Dec-02-08 11:10 AM |
#142 |
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I would hesitate to say that without knowing more details. I would be |
Arkansas Granny |
Dec-01-08 04:16 PM |
#10 |
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You may be right, I am quick to criticize people who do things that seem to ME to be obviously wrong |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-08 04:18 PM |
#13 |
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I'm glad you pointed that out. |
FitzmasAgain |
Dec-01-08 04:28 PM |
#17 |
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People in desperate financial straits do desperate things |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 04:22 PM |
#14 |
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Self-delete |
Crisco |
Dec-01-08 04:38 PM |
#26 |
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'Desperate' often winds up looking like 'stupid'. |
Dr_eldritch |
Dec-01-08 05:48 PM |
#54 |
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She's got a bigger case of "poor," IMO |
Warpy |
Dec-01-08 06:10 PM |
#61 |
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Hospitals have had financial problems too |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 06:17 PM |
#63 |
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Wow. The empathy just OOZES. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-03-08 08:00 AM |
#168 |
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Ummm, breast feeding as an alternative to formula? |
SheilaT |
Dec-01-08 04:11 PM |
#4 |
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Unfortunately, very young mothers sometimes prefer formula |
SoCalDem |
Dec-01-08 04:13 PM |
#6 |
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The new mothers need money for breast pumps and breast milk storage containers |
CottonBear |
Dec-01-08 04:16 PM |
#8 |
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That's true - most poor women don't have the ability to stay home and need to pump |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 04:24 PM |
#15 |
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Especially when baby formula contains Melamine! |
quantessd |
Dec-01-08 04:43 PM |
#28 |
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Too many hospitals and doctors are given free formula, and find it easier |
BrklynLiberal |
Dec-01-08 04:59 PM |
#37 |
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Thanks for the support. |
SheilaT |
Dec-01-08 05:43 PM |
#53 |
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You are right. It is the ignorance that is the real problem. There was a story |
BrklynLiberal |
Dec-01-08 06:24 PM |
#69 |
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well, some of us try and fail at bfing. there's nothing to "get." |
krabigirl |
Dec-01-08 06:23 PM |
#67 |
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At least you were aware enough to know that your baby was not thriving |
BrklynLiberal |
Dec-01-08 06:27 PM |
#74 |
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Formula is a fine alternative |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-02-08 07:12 AM |
#129 |
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Sometimes babies can't take breast milk |
RubyDuby in GA |
Dec-02-08 10:17 AM |
#139 |
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Boy....I must be really stupid too.....or am I just ignorant..... |
canadianbeaver |
Dec-01-08 04:16 PM |
#9 |
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But you do understand that babies need a certain caloric intake, don't you? |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-08 04:17 PM |
#11 |
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Choices made due to her personal economic situation.... |
canadianbeaver |
Dec-01-08 04:59 PM |
#38 |
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I know what you mean. |
Lisa0825 |
Dec-01-08 05:54 PM |
#55 |
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Just to let you know, I understood your post. |
quantessd |
Dec-01-08 07:25 PM |
#97 |
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From one ignoramus to another... |
LanternWaste |
Dec-02-08 10:27 AM |
#140 |
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The baby didn't get sick from getting too skinny |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 06:22 PM |
#65 |
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Honestly, I didn't know about it either, but I don't have kids |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Dec-01-08 06:34 PM |
#76 |
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i didn't know either n/t |
prayin4rain |
Dec-03-08 07:15 AM |
#161 |
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The economic crisis isn't killing babies, |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 04:17 PM |
#12 |
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Gee, maybe she wasn't told about WIC either. |
OmelasExpat |
Dec-01-08 04:27 PM |
#16 |
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That's a good question |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 04:44 PM |
#29 |
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I wonder why she wasn't told about WIC. Would you assume WIC existed if you didn't know? |
OmelasExpat |
Dec-01-08 04:55 PM |
#35 |
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Very few people know about WIC? |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 04:57 PM |
#36 |
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Glad your hospital took that responsibility. Mine didn't. |
OmelasExpat |
Dec-01-08 05:06 PM |
#43 |
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Because knee-jerk blaming is soooo "progressive" |
bobbolink |
Dec-01-08 05:04 PM |
#41 |
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Wondering what the situation is isn't "knee-jerk blaming" |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 05:09 PM |
#46 |
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So, go ahead and judge. It obviously makes you feel good. |
bobbolink |
Dec-01-08 06:19 PM |
#64 |
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I'm not judging |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 06:23 PM |
#68 |
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. |
bobbolink |
Dec-01-08 06:27 PM |
#73 |
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Seems to be a trend |
gaspee |
Dec-01-08 06:04 PM |
#58 |
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Because social darwinism has crept into the left. |
undergroundpanther |
Dec-02-08 02:06 AM |
#122 |
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There is no excuse |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 04:45 PM |
#30 |
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"Help is available, you just have to look for it." |
OmelasExpat |
Dec-01-08 05:03 PM |
#40 |
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You may be right. |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 05:19 PM |
#48 |
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Well, since we're pushing outdated gender roles, howabout we blame |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 06:58 PM |
#85 |
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Did you even read my post? |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 07:28 PM |
#98 |
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Of course I did. It didn't even dawn on you to berate the father until |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 07:35 PM |
#101 |
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The OP stated that the financial crisis |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 07:45 PM |
#103 |
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The OP was pointing out that the current financial climate was |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 08:00 PM |
#106 |
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That's not what the OP said. |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 08:13 PM |
#107 |
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Part of the crisis they helped create is lack of funding for social |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 08:19 PM |
#109 |
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We all have to make choices everyday |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 08:16 PM |
#108 |
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She made the choice to do something that had worked before. |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 08:27 PM |
#111 |
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What's a boozepusher? n/t |
Mushroom |
Dec-01-08 09:47 PM |
#116 |
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I own a liquor store. |
boozepusher |
Dec-01-08 10:20 PM |
#118 |
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She was getting help. Apparently it wasn't enough. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-01-08 07:03 PM |
#90 |
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Oh come on now.... |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-02-08 07:20 AM |
#130 |
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She did get WIC. She says it wasn't enough. |
quantessd |
Dec-03-08 11:25 AM |
#171 |
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Great point - which is why time to pump really ought to be |
JerseygirlCT |
Dec-03-08 07:16 AM |
#162 |
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pumping is not always successful |
MrsMatt |
Dec-03-08 02:34 PM |
#176 |
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It's funny |
JerseygirlCT |
Dec-03-08 02:42 PM |
#177 |
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Why do we need to be so mean? |
FitzmasAgain |
Dec-01-08 04:30 PM |
#20 |
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Ignorance causes meanness |
Tempest |
Dec-01-08 04:34 PM |
#23 |
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WIC does not provide all the formula an infant needs... |
youthere |
Dec-01-08 05:16 PM |
#47 |
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Glad someone pointed this out |
BamaGirl |
Dec-01-08 05:40 PM |
#52 |
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Like me |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-02-08 07:23 AM |
#131 |
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State WIC programs are getting cut to the bone |
Tempest |
Dec-01-08 04:33 PM |
# |
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I am on WIC and so is my SIL |
HereKittyKitty |
Dec-01-08 08:32 PM |
#113 |
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Not if the mother can't produce enough milk, and I've worked with |
Ilsa |
Dec-01-08 08:36 PM |
#115 |
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Appearently she already went through WIC |
JonLP24 |
Dec-03-08 03:29 AM |
#153 |
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what on earth is WIC????????? |
LSK |
Dec-03-08 02:47 PM |
#178 |
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This has been going on all over the world for many years now. |
WHEN CRABS ROAR |
Dec-01-08 04:30 PM |
#19 |
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I remember my ex-wife getting involved in an anti-Nestle campaign back in the early '90s |
slackmaster |
Dec-01-08 04:33 PM |
#22 |
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That's correct. Hmm I wonder why we're still here after millions of |
WHEN CRABS ROAR |
Dec-01-08 04:38 PM |
#25 |
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Exactly. See my post below |
BrklynLiberal |
Dec-01-08 05:03 PM |
#39 |
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Yep. nt |
anonymous171 |
Dec-03-08 01:55 PM |
#174 |
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I saw something sad in Allentown this week... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Dec-01-08 04:41 PM |
#27 |
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That is really sad. |
quantessd |
Dec-01-08 04:55 PM |
#34 |
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must have been a loss issue or it wouldn't be locked |
proud patriot |
Dec-01-08 05:25 PM |
#49 |
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I've done that before too, and scam or not I was okay with it. |
tnlefty |
Dec-01-08 07:30 PM |
#99 |
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I've done that before too, and scam or not I was okay with it. |
tnlefty |
Dec-01-08 07:30 PM |
#100 |
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I was told by a local Walgreens and have read that |
nocaster |
Dec-02-08 09:36 AM |
#137 |
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Nestle's is a huge marketer of baby formula. There have been reports for years |
BrklynLiberal |
Dec-01-08 04:50 PM |
#32 |
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I confess to ignorance |
Generic Other |
Dec-01-08 05:05 PM |
#42 |
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Wow I never heard of such a thing. |
pending |
Dec-01-08 05:29 PM |
#50 |
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Additional information at link (with snippet) below |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 05:40 PM |
#51 |
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thanks for posting this |
gaspee |
Dec-01-08 06:07 PM |
#60 |
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You and me both! |
Sonicmedusa |
Dec-01-08 06:16 PM |
#62 |
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You're welcome. |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 06:22 PM |
#66 |
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Florida must be a cheapskate state |
SoCalDem |
Dec-01-08 06:45 PM |
#81 |
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Apparently. |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 06:50 PM |
#82 |
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In OK, it's 10 cans |
HereKittyKitty |
Dec-01-08 08:35 PM |
#114 |
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So she actually was on WIC. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-01-08 07:00 PM |
#89 |
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Yes. It wasn't enough. She's going to school. They aren't making |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 07:12 PM |
#94 |
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Might as well just let this board become Free Republic lite. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-01-08 07:21 PM |
#96 |
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The judgementalism always cuts both ways when a poorly written article is cited |
slackmaster |
Dec-02-08 12:17 PM |
#146 |
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Thanks very much for the information, it's very helpful in understanding the situation |
slackmaster |
Dec-02-08 12:15 PM |
#145 |
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"...shirked their journalistic duty." Ain't it the truth? It happens more |
Cerridwen |
Dec-02-08 12:55 PM |
#147 |
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Not stupid |
mbergen |
Dec-01-08 06:03 PM |
#56 |
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I actually find that hard to believe. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-01-08 07:10 PM |
#93 |
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Not to mention the warnings on the can. |
nocaster |
Dec-02-08 09:40 AM |
#138 |
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As a first time pregnant mother to be, this really scares me. |
Tight_rope |
Dec-01-08 06:34 PM |
#77 |
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See post #51 |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 06:37 PM |
#78 |
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Read through the thread |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 06:38 PM |
#79 |
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The baby was also sick from "getting skinny." |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 02:55 AM |
#149 |
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edited |
JonLP24 |
Dec-03-08 04:08 AM |
#154 |
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Her intent was to replace some portion of the food |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 07:49 AM |
#167 |
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I saw the picture eventually and yes he did look skinny |
gollygee |
Dec-03-08 02:49 PM |
#180 |
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Get off your fucking high horse and check back with us |
Sonicmedusa |
Dec-01-08 06:44 PM |
#80 |
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I am a mother |
Pastiche423 |
Dec-01-08 10:17 PM |
#117 |
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THIS IS COMMON IN THIRD-WORLD NATIONS. Really. Only in those cases, the water is also dirty... |
Hekate |
Dec-01-08 06:51 PM |
#83 |
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Wow I am surprised at how harsh many people are towards this |
MadMaddie |
Dec-01-08 06:56 PM |
#84 |
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The article in post #51 explains more |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 06:59 PM |
#87 |
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Mom's in college - ironically in a medical field. |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 02:57 AM |
#150 |
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Cost Of Formula, 1% Of Blame. Her Sheer Stupidity, 99%. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Dec-01-08 06:58 PM |
#86 |
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Oh gee. A woman to blame who isn't Hillary - and there you are. |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 07:04 PM |
#91 |
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You are reading things that aren't there! |
quantessd |
Dec-01-08 07:42 PM |
#102 |
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I'm seeing a years long pattern of posts. This is just one more in |
Cerridwen |
Dec-01-08 07:53 PM |
#105 |
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Oh come on the guy is a jerk, it is pretty easy to read that.. |
bahrbearian |
Dec-03-08 01:37 AM |
#148 |
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Breastfeeding isn't all that easy to get going always |
gollygee |
Dec-01-08 07:07 PM |
#92 |
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It isn't that easy. All the higher-order mammals need instruction from older females, I've read... |
Hekate |
Dec-02-08 12:59 AM |
#119 |
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That's not always an option. |
LeftyMom |
Dec-02-08 01:11 AM |
#120 |
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You think you know more than you do about breastfeeding. |
lostnfound |
Dec-02-08 04:34 AM |
#125 |
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Actually, the kid was ALSO starving. |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 03:00 AM |
#151 |
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To my eyes, neither baby nor mom look like a *picture of health*. |
quantessd |
Dec-03-08 11:20 AM |
#170 |
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I agree. |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 01:48 PM |
#172 |
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Ugh! Do you ever post anything that doesn't make you sound like an asshole? |
Raineyb |
Dec-02-08 11:02 AM |
#141 |
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No, wait, don't tell me. That was OPERATIONMINDCRIME, right? |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Dec-03-08 08:03 AM |
#169 |
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I fail to understand how pro-lifers caused this, can you elaborate. n/t |
MiltonF |
Dec-01-08 07:00 PM |
#88 |
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In our political system, the "pro-lifers" |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-01-08 07:19 PM |
#95 |
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You're right - once it's out of the womb and no longer a fetus, the "pro-life" crowd doesn't give a |
kath |
Dec-01-08 08:22 PM |
#110 |
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Women |
undergroundpanther |
Dec-02-08 02:29 AM |
#124 |
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Great post. Better suited as an OP on a new thread, really. |
quantessd |
Dec-03-08 03:04 PM |
#181 |
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Diluted evaporated milk & Kayo syrup and vit. supplements worked for my family |
nc4bo |
Dec-01-08 07:52 PM |
#104 |
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Alot of babies don't tolerate cows' milk protein. That is why so many are |
Ilsa |
Dec-01-08 08:31 PM |
#112 |
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Cows' milk protiens have to be broken down for a baby to digest them. |
LeftyMom |
Dec-02-08 01:16 AM |
#121 |
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So if that woman is that poor, that destitute and unable to get government assistance, she should |
nc4bo |
Dec-02-08 06:37 AM |
#126 |
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Social problems |
undergroundpanther |
Dec-02-08 02:22 AM |
#123 |
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I missed the "pro-lifers" connection. |
nathan hale |
Dec-02-08 06:49 AM |
#127 |
| -
That's terrible |
Dorian Gray |
Dec-02-08 07:06 AM |
#128 |
| -
I read this as mainly a "good news" story, and it can also serve as a warning |
slackmaster |
Dec-02-08 08:53 AM |
#133 |
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The underlying problem is not addressed: WIC program is underfunded |
Lars39 |
Dec-02-08 08:56 AM |
#134 |
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I haven't read all the replies or searched for other news coverage, but the OP is not clear at all |
slackmaster |
Dec-02-08 08:59 AM |
#135 |
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Post #51 has links to additional reports with additional information n/t |
Cerridwen |
Dec-02-08 11:12 AM |
#143 |
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What's especially worse about this story is that the mother had a difficult time procuring formula.. |
Earth_First |
Dec-02-08 09:23 AM |
#136 |
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I find this story interesting - and rather scary, |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 03:21 AM |
#152 |
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I nursed my boys and they HATED water from a bottle |
SoCalDem |
Dec-03-08 05:40 AM |
#156 |
| -
I did not intend to give any supplemental feeding |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 07:40 AM |
#165 |
| -
I'm so glad that the baby is okay. |
moriah |
Dec-03-08 04:28 AM |
#155 |
| -
Best response to this thread |
Stuckinthebush |
Dec-03-08 07:47 AM |
#166 |
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4 scoops to 6 ozs vs. 6 scoops to 8 ozs can kill a baby? |
dkf |
Dec-03-08 06:25 AM |
#157 |
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Apparently many in the medical community don't know |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 01:52 PM |
#173 |
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What a sad story. I saw it on the news and the mother doesn't |
Vinca |
Dec-03-08 06:29 AM |
#158 |
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I was told of the dangers of giviing water |
CatsDogsBabies |
Dec-03-08 07:00 AM |
#159 |
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They don't - |
Ms. Toad |
Dec-03-08 02:01 PM |
#175 |
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I didn't hear about it from the pediatrician or the hospital |
gollygee |
Dec-03-08 02:48 PM |
#179 |
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WHY aren't more new mothers given the encouragement they need |
JerseygirlCT |
Dec-03-08 07:14 AM |
#160 |
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