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Mon Dec-01-08 01:00 PM
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| 74. Welcome to DU. We can hope, can't we? |
| -Andrew Sullivan In The Sunday Times: Obama's First Problem Is U.S. War Crimes |
Hissyspit |
Nov-29-08 06:59 PM |
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I like Sullivan. I like this article. I have only beef: |
IndyOp |
Nov-29-08 07:03 PM |
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Yep. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-30-08 12:32 PM |
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'06 MC Act did NOT give retroactive immunity for torture and War Crimes to gov't officials |
leveymg |
Nov-30-08 01:52 PM |
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True! But he must delegate, and put his moral authority behind ... |
puebloknot |
Nov-30-08 09:17 PM |
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The only way to reach a post-partisan world is to rid all |
JDPriestly |
Nov-30-08 10:11 PM |
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For me, it's an easy call -- he either holds criminals accountable, or I'm done with him. |
Zhade |
Nov-30-08 11:41 PM |
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No, you are not. I must see a turning from criminality, or I'll take my vote elsewhere. |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 01:39 AM |
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Agreed. Let Kucinich and Conyers take up the reins of justice -- not vengeance -- |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 01:38 AM |
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YES WE CAN! |
Titonwan |
Dec-01-08 09:10 AM |
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Welcome to DU. We can hope, can't we? |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 01:00 PM |
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Good find that. |
edwardlindy |
Nov-29-08 07:03 PM |
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k & r |
MPK |
Nov-29-08 07:06 PM |
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Obama knows that the world is watching.. |
MadMaddie |
Nov-29-08 07:09 PM |
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The world is indeed watching |
gratuitous |
Nov-29-08 08:42 PM |
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Well, I agree with you. |
MadMaddie |
Nov-29-08 11:42 PM |
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I guess I wasn't terribly clear |
gratuitous |
Nov-30-08 09:19 AM |
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How can we demand trials and sentences for the cruel war |
JDPriestly |
Nov-30-08 10:12 PM |
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Unfortunately, we have a nasty history of going elsewhere and demanding ... |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 01:41 AM |
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Crimes were committed and in my world criminals can't give themselves immunity for their crimes. |
bobd0 |
Nov-29-08 07:11 PM |
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Obama should just turn these matters over to the International Criminal Court |
trollybob |
Nov-29-08 07:12 PM |
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Good idea. He could recuse himself for conflict of interest, |
Bette Noir |
Nov-30-08 02:48 PM |
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International Courts Can Ignore Pardons! |
PuppyBismark |
Dec-01-08 06:46 PM |
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It's good that Sullivan is trying to make up for cheerleading the criminals in the first place. |
navarth |
Nov-29-08 07:14 PM |
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My first thought too! Hey, Andrew, where the hell were you when these |
mycritters2 |
Nov-29-08 07:24 PM |
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Agree with #s 7 & 8: The Democratic Administration doesn't need its priorities set by Andy & Tweety |
UTUSN |
Nov-29-08 09:12 PM |
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Andrew Sullivan spoke out early & often. He backed Kerry, was labelled "traitor" |
judasdisney |
Nov-29-08 09:29 PM |
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he spoke out early and often IN FAVOR OF BUSH. |
navarth |
Nov-30-08 12:25 PM |
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Kennedy opposed civils rights first. Lincoln wanted to deport slaves. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-30-08 05:06 PM |
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well sure.... |
navarth |
Nov-30-08 11:05 PM |
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Good Post |
ProfessorGAC |
Dec-01-08 06:06 AM |
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As usual, perhaps, I'm with Digby - "truth commissions" are a joke... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-29-08 07:32 PM |
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They should be called "Cover-Up Commissions".. |
stillcool47 |
Nov-29-08 08:12 PM |
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Indeed. |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-29-08 08:25 PM |
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It could buy some time until the huge problems are addressed. |
babylonsister |
Nov-29-08 08:38 PM |
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Yah. The "we'll get to it later"-thing ALWAYS works with the government. Be real.... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-29-08 08:49 PM |
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So what's your suggestion, to appease everyone? nt |
babylonsister |
Nov-29-08 09:32 PM |
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I'm not sure how to respond. Can you tell me which part of "I'm with Digby" was unclear to you? |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-29-08 09:33 PM |
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I'm asking you, not digby. What to do, what to do, she doesn't know either. |
babylonsister |
Nov-29-08 09:38 PM |
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what to do |
Two Americas |
Nov-30-08 12:44 PM |
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Babylon....you are thinking the "Commission" would buy us time? |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 05:24 PM |
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The rule of law is broken. How can it not be THE single most important thing to fix? |
Zhade |
Nov-30-08 11:48 PM |
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I keep saying it: After WWII, there were huge economic problems... |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 01:46 AM |
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After reading Sully and other's articles about why "Commission" is way to go... |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 05:16 PM |
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Digby Post is "Splash of COLD WATER" in the face of us who wanted Compromise |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 06:19 PM |
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Fantastic post. Wish I could recommend it -- I couldn't agree more with this. |
Zhade |
Nov-30-08 11:47 PM |
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"the solution to 'the problem of too much law' was to simply do away with the stuff." |
annabanana |
Dec-01-08 06:02 AM |
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k& r |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-29-08 07:45 PM |
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Only Impeachment Can "Solve This" For Obama |
Senator |
Nov-29-08 08:38 PM |
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agreed, If the Obama admin can 'find the time' for troop surges |
Mari333 |
Nov-29-08 08:41 PM |
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Yeah, that'll happen. |
Bette Noir |
Nov-30-08 02:53 PM |
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It may well. If demanded. |
Senator |
Dec-01-08 08:47 AM |
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"How does he deal with the legacy of criminal actions of his predecessor’s administration..." |
unkachuck |
Nov-29-08 09:06 PM |
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Your Avatar Photo of Rahm...is your guide. Move ON...because |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 05:18 PM |
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Hell they are good at digging up the past even though it only exists in their tiny minds |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-30-08 06:44 PM |
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it just goes to show.... |
unkachuck |
Nov-30-08 08:23 PM |
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Pelosi, Reid & Schumer were likely fully complicit |
judasdisney |
Nov-29-08 09:25 PM |
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Read "The Dark Side" by Jane Mayer, then start writing lTTE about |
alfredo |
Nov-30-08 09:33 AM |
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Nothing will do more to restore this country than to instate the Rule of Law |
ThomWV |
Nov-30-08 12:28 PM |
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Heck Yes. They may find other prosecutable acts as well as |
bluesmail |
Nov-30-08 02:18 PM |
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Truth commission |
Richard D |
Nov-30-08 02:32 PM |
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If we cannot achieve justice, let US have truth. |
Festivito |
Nov-30-08 05:53 PM |
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kick... |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 05:03 PM |
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The International community |
The Wizard |
Nov-30-08 05:20 PM |
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This issue it "IT" for me. This issue is the bright line that I cannot |
annabanana |
Nov-30-08 05:31 PM |
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"Torture in OUR NAMES!" It's the crux of it no matter how it's whitwashed over.. |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 06:17 PM |
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Yes |
Solly Mack |
Dec-01-08 06:54 AM |
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As long as people are actually held accountable for their crimes against humanity, bring it on. |
Zhade |
Nov-30-08 11:38 PM |
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Yeah, screw the economy, THIS needs to come first. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-08 11:40 PM |
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See above -- and also look up the term "multitasking". |
Zhade |
Nov-30-08 11:54 PM |
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It isn't Obama's job to prosecute anybody. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-08 11:59 PM |
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No, it will be his Attorney General's Job, and nothing is more important then the rule of law |
digidigido |
Dec-01-08 12:44 AM |
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Agreed. See my Post #64 above. nt |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 01:47 AM |
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War crimes must be punished |
meowomon |
Dec-01-08 02:43 AM |
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That's a non-choice for Obama |
frog92969 |
Dec-01-08 03:50 AM |
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George W. Bush Belongs in Prison |
shoeshock |
Dec-01-08 09:05 AM |
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Most commissions do not work. Look at the 9/11 Commission, which |
MasonJar |
Dec-01-08 04:35 PM |
#75 |
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