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Sun Nov-30-08 09:17 PM
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| 49. True! But he must delegate, and put his moral authority behind ... |
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... a truth commission or other body that will not only ferret out the truth, but take some kind of action to hold them accountable.
After WWII, with Europe in ruins and our country in a shambles economically, we still managed to hold the Nuremberg trials, execute the Marshall Plan, and get the country back on track.
Obama will need the broadest shoulders in all of time to be able to handle the huge number of problems immediately thrown at him, but if he caves on the matter of accountability for war crimes, and does the usual first presidential act of shoving all the past horrors under the rug under the rubric of unity, saving the country from trauma, etc., then he may not find that "he can" in 2012.
I'm rooting for the guy, but I'm also disturbed over his talk about "post-partisan" governance.
Nancy Pelosi assured us that impeachment was off the table because much weightier matters were on said table. Lip service has been paid to our problems, and the criminals have been allowed to run riot -- even after the Dems seized some measure of power. Small though it was, they squandered any chance to stand up to Bushco, because too much scrutiny would reveal complicity on the part of many Dems, in my view.
The New Deal took life at a time of crushing problems. Some forward movement toward solutions of survival issues will give hope to We the People, but we must not attempt to silence the many voices of those who have suffered under this criminal administration, nor should we support any leader who failes to stand up for the powerless.
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| -Andrew Sullivan In The Sunday Times: Obama's First Problem Is U.S. War Crimes |
Hissyspit |
Nov-29-08 06:59 PM |
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I like Sullivan. I like this article. I have only beef: |
IndyOp |
Nov-29-08 07:03 PM |
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Yep. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-30-08 12:32 PM |
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'06 MC Act did NOT give retroactive immunity for torture and War Crimes to gov't officials |
leveymg |
Nov-30-08 01:52 PM |
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True! But he must delegate, and put his moral authority behind ... |
puebloknot |
Nov-30-08 09:17 PM |
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The only way to reach a post-partisan world is to rid all |
JDPriestly |
Nov-30-08 10:11 PM |
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For me, it's an easy call -- he either holds criminals accountable, or I'm done with him. |
Zhade |
Nov-30-08 11:41 PM |
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No, you are not. I must see a turning from criminality, or I'll take my vote elsewhere. |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 01:39 AM |
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Agreed. Let Kucinich and Conyers take up the reins of justice -- not vengeance -- |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 01:38 AM |
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YES WE CAN! |
Titonwan |
Dec-01-08 09:10 AM |
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Welcome to DU. We can hope, can't we? |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 01:00 PM |
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Good find that. |
edwardlindy |
Nov-29-08 07:03 PM |
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k & r |
MPK |
Nov-29-08 07:06 PM |
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Obama knows that the world is watching.. |
MadMaddie |
Nov-29-08 07:09 PM |
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The world is indeed watching |
gratuitous |
Nov-29-08 08:42 PM |
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Well, I agree with you. |
MadMaddie |
Nov-29-08 11:42 PM |
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I guess I wasn't terribly clear |
gratuitous |
Nov-30-08 09:19 AM |
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How can we demand trials and sentences for the cruel war |
JDPriestly |
Nov-30-08 10:12 PM |
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Unfortunately, we have a nasty history of going elsewhere and demanding ... |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 01:41 AM |
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Crimes were committed and in my world criminals can't give themselves immunity for their crimes. |
bobd0 |
Nov-29-08 07:11 PM |
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Obama should just turn these matters over to the International Criminal Court |
trollybob |
Nov-29-08 07:12 PM |
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Good idea. He could recuse himself for conflict of interest, |
Bette Noir |
Nov-30-08 02:48 PM |
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International Courts Can Ignore Pardons! |
PuppyBismark |
Dec-01-08 06:46 PM |
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It's good that Sullivan is trying to make up for cheerleading the criminals in the first place. |
navarth |
Nov-29-08 07:14 PM |
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My first thought too! Hey, Andrew, where the hell were you when these |
mycritters2 |
Nov-29-08 07:24 PM |
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Agree with #s 7 & 8: The Democratic Administration doesn't need its priorities set by Andy & Tweety |
UTUSN |
Nov-29-08 09:12 PM |
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Andrew Sullivan spoke out early & often. He backed Kerry, was labelled "traitor" |
judasdisney |
Nov-29-08 09:29 PM |
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he spoke out early and often IN FAVOR OF BUSH. |
navarth |
Nov-30-08 12:25 PM |
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Kennedy opposed civils rights first. Lincoln wanted to deport slaves. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-30-08 05:06 PM |
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well sure.... |
navarth |
Nov-30-08 11:05 PM |
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Good Post |
ProfessorGAC |
Dec-01-08 06:06 AM |
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As usual, perhaps, I'm with Digby - "truth commissions" are a joke... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-29-08 07:32 PM |
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They should be called "Cover-Up Commissions".. |
stillcool47 |
Nov-29-08 08:12 PM |
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Indeed. |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-29-08 08:25 PM |
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It could buy some time until the huge problems are addressed. |
babylonsister |
Nov-29-08 08:38 PM |
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Yah. The "we'll get to it later"-thing ALWAYS works with the government. Be real.... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-29-08 08:49 PM |
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So what's your suggestion, to appease everyone? nt |
babylonsister |
Nov-29-08 09:32 PM |
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I'm not sure how to respond. Can you tell me which part of "I'm with Digby" was unclear to you? |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-29-08 09:33 PM |
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I'm asking you, not digby. What to do, what to do, she doesn't know either. |
babylonsister |
Nov-29-08 09:38 PM |
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what to do |
Two Americas |
Nov-30-08 12:44 PM |
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Babylon....you are thinking the "Commission" would buy us time? |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 05:24 PM |
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The rule of law is broken. How can it not be THE single most important thing to fix? |
Zhade |
Nov-30-08 11:48 PM |
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I keep saying it: After WWII, there were huge economic problems... |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 01:46 AM |
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After reading Sully and other's articles about why "Commission" is way to go... |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 05:16 PM |
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Digby Post is "Splash of COLD WATER" in the face of us who wanted Compromise |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 06:19 PM |
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Fantastic post. Wish I could recommend it -- I couldn't agree more with this. |
Zhade |
Nov-30-08 11:47 PM |
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"the solution to 'the problem of too much law' was to simply do away with the stuff." |
annabanana |
Dec-01-08 06:02 AM |
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k& r |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-29-08 07:45 PM |
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Only Impeachment Can "Solve This" For Obama |
Senator |
Nov-29-08 08:38 PM |
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agreed, If the Obama admin can 'find the time' for troop surges |
Mari333 |
Nov-29-08 08:41 PM |
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Yeah, that'll happen. |
Bette Noir |
Nov-30-08 02:53 PM |
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It may well. If demanded. |
Senator |
Dec-01-08 08:47 AM |
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"How does he deal with the legacy of criminal actions of his predecessor’s administration..." |
unkachuck |
Nov-29-08 09:06 PM |
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Your Avatar Photo of Rahm...is your guide. Move ON...because |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 05:18 PM |
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Hell they are good at digging up the past even though it only exists in their tiny minds |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-30-08 06:44 PM |
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it just goes to show.... |
unkachuck |
Nov-30-08 08:23 PM |
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Pelosi, Reid & Schumer were likely fully complicit |
judasdisney |
Nov-29-08 09:25 PM |
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Read "The Dark Side" by Jane Mayer, then start writing lTTE about |
alfredo |
Nov-30-08 09:33 AM |
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Nothing will do more to restore this country than to instate the Rule of Law |
ThomWV |
Nov-30-08 12:28 PM |
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Heck Yes. They may find other prosecutable acts as well as |
bluesmail |
Nov-30-08 02:18 PM |
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Truth commission |
Richard D |
Nov-30-08 02:32 PM |
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If we cannot achieve justice, let US have truth. |
Festivito |
Nov-30-08 05:53 PM |
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kick... |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 05:03 PM |
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The International community |
The Wizard |
Nov-30-08 05:20 PM |
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This issue it "IT" for me. This issue is the bright line that I cannot |
annabanana |
Nov-30-08 05:31 PM |
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"Torture in OUR NAMES!" It's the crux of it no matter how it's whitwashed over.. |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 06:17 PM |
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Yes |
Solly Mack |
Dec-01-08 06:54 AM |
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As long as people are actually held accountable for their crimes against humanity, bring it on. |
Zhade |
Nov-30-08 11:38 PM |
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Yeah, screw the economy, THIS needs to come first. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-08 11:40 PM |
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See above -- and also look up the term "multitasking". |
Zhade |
Nov-30-08 11:54 PM |
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It isn't Obama's job to prosecute anybody. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-08 11:59 PM |
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No, it will be his Attorney General's Job, and nothing is more important then the rule of law |
digidigido |
Dec-01-08 12:44 AM |
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Agreed. See my Post #64 above. nt |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 01:47 AM |
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War crimes must be punished |
meowomon |
Dec-01-08 02:43 AM |
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That's a non-choice for Obama |
frog92969 |
Dec-01-08 03:50 AM |
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George W. Bush Belongs in Prison |
shoeshock |
Dec-01-08 09:05 AM |
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Most commissions do not work. Look at the 9/11 Commission, which |
MasonJar |
Dec-01-08 04:35 PM |
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