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49. True! But he must delegate, and put his moral authority behind ...
... a truth commission or other body that will not only ferret out the truth, but take some kind of action to hold them accountable.

After WWII, with Europe in ruins and our country in a shambles economically, we still managed to hold the Nuremberg trials, execute the Marshall Plan, and get the country back on track.

Obama will need the broadest shoulders in all of time to be able to handle the huge number of problems immediately thrown at him, but if he caves on the matter of accountability for war crimes, and does the usual first presidential act of shoving all the past horrors under the rug under the rubric of unity, saving the country from trauma, etc., then he may not find that "he can" in 2012.

I'm rooting for the guy, but I'm also disturbed over his talk about "post-partisan" governance.

Nancy Pelosi assured us that impeachment was off the table because much weightier matters were on said table. Lip service has been paid to our problems, and the criminals have been allowed to run riot -- even after the Dems seized some measure of power. Small though it was, they squandered any chance to stand up to Bushco, because too much scrutiny would reveal complicity on the part of many Dems, in my view.

The New Deal took life at a time of crushing problems. Some forward movement toward solutions of survival issues will give hope to We the People, but we must not attempt to silence the many voices of those who have suffered under this criminal administration, nor should we support any leader who failes to stand up for the powerless.

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  -Andrew Sullivan In The Sunday Times: Obama's First Problem Is U.S. War Crimes Hissyspit  Nov-29-08 06:59 PM   #0 
  - I like Sullivan. I like this article. I have only beef:  IndyOp   Nov-29-08 07:03 PM   #1 
  - Yep. n/t  sfexpat2000   Nov-30-08 12:32 PM   #30 
  - '06 MC Act did NOT give retroactive immunity for torture and War Crimes to gov't officials  leveymg   Nov-30-08 01:52 PM   #32 
  - True! But he must delegate, and put his moral authority behind ...  puebloknot   Nov-30-08 09:17 PM   #49 
     - The only way to reach a post-partisan world is to rid all  JDPriestly   Nov-30-08 10:11 PM   #50 
     - For me, it's an easy call -- he either holds criminals accountable, or I'm done with him.  Zhade   Nov-30-08 11:41 PM   #55 
     - No, you are not. I must see a turning from criminality, or I'll take my vote elsewhere.  puebloknot   Dec-01-08 01:39 AM   #62 
     - Agreed. Let Kucinich and Conyers take up the reins of justice -- not vengeance --  puebloknot   Dec-01-08 01:38 AM   #61 
     - YES WE CAN!  Titonwan   Dec-01-08 09:10 AM   #73 
        - Welcome to DU. We can hope, can't we?  puebloknot   Dec-01-08 01:00 PM   #74 
  - Good find that.  edwardlindy   Nov-29-08 07:03 PM   #2 
  - k & r  MPK   Nov-29-08 07:06 PM   #3 
  - Obama knows that the world is watching..  MadMaddie   Nov-29-08 07:09 PM   #4 
  - The world is indeed watching  gratuitous   Nov-29-08 08:42 PM   #16 
  - Well, I agree with you.  MadMaddie   Nov-29-08 11:42 PM   #25 
     - I guess I wasn't terribly clear  gratuitous   Nov-30-08 09:19 AM   #26 
  - How can we demand trials and sentences for the cruel war  JDPriestly   Nov-30-08 10:12 PM   #51 
  - Unfortunately, we have a nasty history of going elsewhere and demanding ...  puebloknot   Dec-01-08 01:41 AM   #63 
  - Crimes were committed and in my world criminals can't give themselves immunity for their crimes.  bobd0   Nov-29-08 07:11 PM   #5 
  - Obama should just turn these matters over to the International Criminal Court  trollybob   Nov-29-08 07:12 PM   #6 
  - Good idea. He could recuse himself for conflict of interest,  Bette Noir   Nov-30-08 02:48 PM   #35 
  - International Courts Can Ignore Pardons!  PuppyBismark   Dec-01-08 06:46 PM   #76 
  - It's good that Sullivan is trying to make up for cheerleading the criminals in the first place.  navarth   Nov-29-08 07:14 PM   #7 
  - My first thought too! Hey, Andrew, where the hell were you when these  mycritters2   Nov-29-08 07:24 PM   #8 
     - Agree with #s 7 & 8: The Democratic Administration doesn't need its priorities set by Andy & Tweety  UTUSN   Nov-29-08 09:12 PM   #19 
     - Andrew Sullivan spoke out early & often. He backed Kerry, was labelled "traitor"  judasdisney   Nov-29-08 09:29 PM   #21 
        - he spoke out early and often IN FAVOR OF BUSH.  navarth   Nov-30-08 12:25 PM   #28 
           - Kennedy opposed civils rights first. Lincoln wanted to deport slaves.  sfexpat2000   Nov-30-08 05:06 PM   #38 
              - well sure....  navarth   Nov-30-08 11:05 PM   #52 
              - Good Post  ProfessorGAC   Dec-01-08 06:06 AM   #69 
  - As usual, perhaps, I'm with Digby - "truth commissions" are a joke...  BlooInBloo   Nov-29-08 07:32 PM   #9 
  - They should be called "Cover-Up Commissions"..  stillcool47   Nov-29-08 08:12 PM   #11 
  - Indeed.  BlooInBloo   Nov-29-08 08:25 PM   #12 
  - It could buy some time until the huge problems are addressed.  babylonsister   Nov-29-08 08:38 PM   #13 
  - Yah. The "we'll get to it later"-thing ALWAYS works with the government. Be real....  BlooInBloo   Nov-29-08 08:49 PM   #17 
  - So what's your suggestion, to appease everyone? nt  babylonsister   Nov-29-08 09:32 PM   #22 
     - I'm not sure how to respond. Can you tell me which part of "I'm with Digby" was unclear to you?  BlooInBloo   Nov-29-08 09:33 PM   #23 
        - I'm asking you, not digby. What to do, what to do, she doesn't know either.  babylonsister   Nov-29-08 09:38 PM   #24 
           - what to do  Two Americas   Nov-30-08 12:44 PM   #31 
  - Babylon....you are thinking the "Commission" would buy us time?  KoKo01   Nov-30-08 05:24 PM   #42 
  - The rule of law is broken. How can it not be THE single most important thing to fix?  Zhade   Nov-30-08 11:48 PM   #57 
  - I keep saying it: After WWII, there were huge economic problems...  puebloknot   Dec-01-08 01:46 AM   #64 
  - After reading Sully and other's articles about why "Commission" is way to go...  KoKo01   Nov-30-08 05:16 PM   #39 
  - Digby Post is "Splash of COLD WATER" in the face of us who wanted Compromise  KoKo01   Nov-30-08 06:19 PM   #46 
  - Fantastic post. Wish I could recommend it -- I couldn't agree more with this.  Zhade   Nov-30-08 11:47 PM   #56 
  - "the solution to 'the problem of too much law' was to simply do away with the stuff."  annabanana   Dec-01-08 06:02 AM   #68 
  - k& r  BrklynLiberal   Nov-29-08 07:45 PM   #10 
  - Only Impeachment Can "Solve This" For Obama  Senator   Nov-29-08 08:38 PM   #14 
  - agreed, If the Obama admin can 'find the time' for troop surges  Mari333   Nov-29-08 08:41 PM   #15 
  - Yeah, that'll happen.  Bette Noir   Nov-30-08 02:53 PM   #36 
     - It may well. If demanded.  Senator   Dec-01-08 08:47 AM   #71 
  - "How does he deal with the legacy of criminal actions of his predecessor’s administration..."  unkachuck   Nov-29-08 09:06 PM   #18 
  - Your Avatar Photo of Rahm...is your guide. Move ON...because  KoKo01   Nov-30-08 05:18 PM   #40 
     - Hell they are good at digging up the past even though it only exists in their tiny minds  ooglymoogly   Nov-30-08 06:44 PM   #47 
     - it just goes to show....  unkachuck   Nov-30-08 08:23 PM   #48 
  - Pelosi, Reid & Schumer were likely fully complicit  judasdisney   Nov-29-08 09:25 PM   #20 
  - Read "The Dark Side" by Jane Mayer, then start writing lTTE about  alfredo   Nov-30-08 09:33 AM   #27 
  - Nothing will do more to restore this country than to instate the Rule of Law  ThomWV   Nov-30-08 12:28 PM   #29 
  - Heck Yes. They may find other prosecutable acts as well as  bluesmail   Nov-30-08 02:18 PM   #33 
  - Truth commission  Richard D   Nov-30-08 02:32 PM   #34 
  - If we cannot achieve justice, let US have truth.  Festivito   Nov-30-08 05:53 PM   #44 
  - kick...  KoKo01   Nov-30-08 05:03 PM   #37 
  - The International community  The Wizard   Nov-30-08 05:20 PM   #41 
  - This issue it "IT" for me. This issue is the bright line that I cannot  annabanana   Nov-30-08 05:31 PM   #43 
  - "Torture in OUR NAMES!" It's the crux of it no matter how it's whitwashed over..  KoKo01   Nov-30-08 06:17 PM   #45 
  - Yes  Solly Mack   Dec-01-08 06:54 AM   #70 
  - As long as people are actually held accountable for their crimes against humanity, bring it on.  Zhade   Nov-30-08 11:38 PM   #53 
  - Yeah, screw the economy, THIS needs to come first.  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-08 11:40 PM   #54 
  - See above -- and also look up the term "multitasking".  Zhade   Nov-30-08 11:54 PM   #58 
  - It isn't Obama's job to prosecute anybody.  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-08 11:59 PM   #59 
     - No, it will be his Attorney General's Job, and nothing is more important then the rule of law  digidigido   Dec-01-08 12:44 AM   #60 
  - Agreed. See my Post #64 above. nt  puebloknot   Dec-01-08 01:47 AM   #65 
  - War crimes must be punished  meowomon   Dec-01-08 02:43 AM   #66 
  - That's a non-choice for Obama  frog92969   Dec-01-08 03:50 AM   #67 
  - George W. Bush Belongs in Prison  shoeshock   Dec-01-08 09:05 AM   #72 
  - Most commissions do not work. Look at the 9/11 Commission, which  MasonJar   Dec-01-08 04:35 PM   #75 
 

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