annabanana
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Sun Nov-30-08 06:31 PM
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| 43. This issue it "IT" for me. This issue is the bright line that I cannot |
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cross and look at myself in the mirror.
It is the sanctioning of torture in my name that jolts me from sleep and makes me cry. It is this issue that has me walking away from my dear, blinkered, church. It is this issue that makes it rough for me to go out in "polite company".
Knowing that these crimes are still unaddressed is a festering sore that cannot scab over.
Please, please, please, Barack.. .Do not let this chance to lift our Country up pass you by.
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 Andrew Sullivan In The Sunday Times: Obama's First Problem Is U.S. War Crimes |
Hissyspit |
Nov-29-08 07:59 PM |
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I like Sullivan. I like this article. I have only beef: |
IndyOp |
Nov-29-08 08:03 PM |
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Yep. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-30-08 01:32 PM |
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'06 MC Act did NOT give retroactive immunity for torture and War Crimes to gov't officials |
leveymg |
Nov-30-08 02:52 PM |
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True! But he must delegate, and put his moral authority behind ... |
puebloknot |
Nov-30-08 10:17 PM |
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The only way to reach a post-partisan world is to rid all |
JDPriestly |
Nov-30-08 11:11 PM |
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For me, it's an easy call -- he either holds criminals accountable, or I'm done with him. |
Zhade |
Dec-01-08 12:41 AM |
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No, you are not. I must see a turning from criminality, or I'll take my vote elsewhere. |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 02:39 AM |
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Agreed. Let Kucinich and Conyers take up the reins of justice -- not vengeance -- |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 02:38 AM |
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YES WE CAN! |
Titonwan |
Dec-01-08 10:10 AM |
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Welcome to DU. We can hope, can't we? |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 02:00 PM |
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Good find that. |
edwardlindy |
Nov-29-08 08:03 PM |
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k & r |
MPK |
Nov-29-08 08:06 PM |
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Obama knows that the world is watching.. |
MadMaddie |
Nov-29-08 08:09 PM |
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The world is indeed watching |
gratuitous |
Nov-29-08 09:42 PM |
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Well, I agree with you. |
MadMaddie |
Nov-30-08 12:42 AM |
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I guess I wasn't terribly clear |
gratuitous |
Nov-30-08 10:19 AM |
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How can we demand trials and sentences for the cruel war |
JDPriestly |
Nov-30-08 11:12 PM |
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Unfortunately, we have a nasty history of going elsewhere and demanding ... |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 02:41 AM |
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Crimes were committed and in my world criminals can't give themselves immunity for their crimes. |
bobd0 |
Nov-29-08 08:11 PM |
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Obama should just turn these matters over to the International Criminal Court |
trollybob |
Nov-29-08 08:12 PM |
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Good idea. He could recuse himself for conflict of interest, |
Bette Noir |
Nov-30-08 03:48 PM |
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International Courts Can Ignore Pardons! |
PuppyBismark |
Dec-01-08 07:46 PM |
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It's good that Sullivan is trying to make up for cheerleading the criminals in the first place. |
navarth |
Nov-29-08 08:14 PM |
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My first thought too! Hey, Andrew, where the hell were you when these |
mycritters2 |
Nov-29-08 08:24 PM |
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Agree with #s 7 & 8: The Democratic Administration doesn't need its priorities set by Andy & Tweety |
UTUSN |
Nov-29-08 10:12 PM |
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Andrew Sullivan spoke out early & often. He backed Kerry, was labelled "traitor" |
judasdisney |
Nov-29-08 10:29 PM |
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he spoke out early and often IN FAVOR OF BUSH. |
navarth |
Nov-30-08 01:25 PM |
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Kennedy opposed civils rights first. Lincoln wanted to deport slaves. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-30-08 06:06 PM |
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well sure.... |
navarth |
Dec-01-08 12:05 AM |
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Good Post |
ProfessorGAC |
Dec-01-08 07:06 AM |
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As usual, perhaps, I'm with Digby - "truth commissions" are a joke... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-29-08 08:32 PM |
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They should be called "Cover-Up Commissions".. |
stillcool47 |
Nov-29-08 09:12 PM |
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Indeed. |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-29-08 09:25 PM |
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It could buy some time until the huge problems are addressed. |
babylonsister |
Nov-29-08 09:38 PM |
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Yah. The "we'll get to it later"-thing ALWAYS works with the government. Be real.... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-29-08 09:49 PM |
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So what's your suggestion, to appease everyone? nt |
babylonsister |
Nov-29-08 10:32 PM |
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I'm not sure how to respond. Can you tell me which part of "I'm with Digby" was unclear to you? |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-29-08 10:33 PM |
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I'm asking you, not digby. What to do, what to do, she doesn't know either. |
babylonsister |
Nov-29-08 10:38 PM |
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what to do |
Two Americas |
Nov-30-08 01:44 PM |
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Babylon....you are thinking the "Commission" would buy us time? |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 06:24 PM |
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The rule of law is broken. How can it not be THE single most important thing to fix? |
Zhade |
Dec-01-08 12:48 AM |
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I keep saying it: After WWII, there were huge economic problems... |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 02:46 AM |
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After reading Sully and other's articles about why "Commission" is way to go... |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 06:16 PM |
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Digby Post is "Splash of COLD WATER" in the face of us who wanted Compromise |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 07:19 PM |
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Fantastic post. Wish I could recommend it -- I couldn't agree more with this. |
Zhade |
Dec-01-08 12:47 AM |
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"the solution to 'the problem of too much law' was to simply do away with the stuff." |
annabanana |
Dec-01-08 07:02 AM |
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k& r |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-29-08 08:45 PM |
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Only Impeachment Can "Solve This" For Obama |
Senator |
Nov-29-08 09:38 PM |
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agreed, If the Obama admin can 'find the time' for troop surges |
Mari333 |
Nov-29-08 09:41 PM |
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Yeah, that'll happen. |
Bette Noir |
Nov-30-08 03:53 PM |
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It may well. If demanded. |
Senator |
Dec-01-08 09:47 AM |
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"How does he deal with the legacy of criminal actions of his predecessor’s administration..." |
unkachuck |
Nov-29-08 10:06 PM |
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Your Avatar Photo of Rahm...is your guide. Move ON...because |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 06:18 PM |
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Hell they are good at digging up the past even though it only exists in their tiny minds |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-30-08 07:44 PM |
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it just goes to show.... |
unkachuck |
Nov-30-08 09:23 PM |
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Pelosi, Reid & Schumer were likely fully complicit |
judasdisney |
Nov-29-08 10:25 PM |
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Read "The Dark Side" by Jane Mayer, then start writing lTTE about |
alfredo |
Nov-30-08 10:33 AM |
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Nothing will do more to restore this country than to instate the Rule of Law |
ThomWV |
Nov-30-08 01:28 PM |
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Heck Yes. They may find other prosecutable acts as well as |
bluesmail |
Nov-30-08 03:18 PM |
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Truth commission |
Richard D |
Nov-30-08 03:32 PM |
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If we cannot achieve justice, let US have truth. |
Festivito |
Nov-30-08 06:53 PM |
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kick... |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 06:03 PM |
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The International community |
The Wizard |
Nov-30-08 06:20 PM |
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This issue it "IT" for me. This issue is the bright line that I cannot |
annabanana |
Nov-30-08 06:31 PM |
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"Torture in OUR NAMES!" It's the crux of it no matter how it's whitwashed over.. |
KoKo01 |
Nov-30-08 07:17 PM |
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Yes |
Solly Mack |
Dec-01-08 07:54 AM |
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As long as people are actually held accountable for their crimes against humanity, bring it on. |
Zhade |
Dec-01-08 12:38 AM |
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Yeah, screw the economy, THIS needs to come first. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-01-08 12:40 AM |
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See above -- and also look up the term "multitasking". |
Zhade |
Dec-01-08 12:54 AM |
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It isn't Obama's job to prosecute anybody. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-01-08 12:59 AM |
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No, it will be his Attorney General's Job, and nothing is more important then the rule of law |
digidigido |
Dec-01-08 01:44 AM |
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Agreed. See my Post #64 above. nt |
puebloknot |
Dec-01-08 02:47 AM |
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War crimes must be punished |
meowomon |
Dec-01-08 03:43 AM |
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That's a non-choice for Obama |
frog92969 |
Dec-01-08 04:50 AM |
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George W. Bush Belongs in Prison |
shoeshock |
Dec-01-08 10:05 AM |
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Most commissions do not work. Look at the 9/11 Commission, which |
MasonJar |
Dec-01-08 05:35 PM |
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