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Andrew Sullivan In The Sunday Times: Obama's First Problem Is U.S. War Crimes
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From The Sunday Times
November 30, 2008
Obama’s first problem is US war crimes
The president-elect has to take a stand on Bush’s dark legacy


Andrew Sullivan

A small and largely unnoticed spat among the transition planners for the president-elect, Barack Obama, broke out last week. It was the first genuinely passionate debate among the Obamaites and it centres on a terribly difficult and terribly important decision that will be among the first that Obama has to make.

How does he deal with the legacy of criminal actions of his predecessor’s administration when it comes to detention, interrogation, abuse and torture of terror suspects? That has long hovered in the back of the minds of those of us who supported Obama, in large part because he alone had the moral authority to draw a line underneath the criminality of the George Bush-Dick Cheney years and restore credibility and hon-our to America’s antiterror policies.

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This plea for understanding for the Bush-Cheney era did not go down well with the Obamasphere – the network of bloggers who helped build momentum for Obama’s victory. The influential blogger Glenn Greenwald exploded in anger; the centrist Democratic blogger Scott Horton urged Brennan to clarify, and then urged Obama to reject him.

On my own blog The Daily Dish, I wrote that if Brennan were picked, Obama supporters “will, in fact, have to go to war with Obama before he even takes office. And if Obama doubts our seriousness, I have three words for him. Yes we can”.

Brennan, facing more protests, withdrew his name from consideration last week. In the first skirmish over the issue in the Obama era, the antitorture forces won.

But the question remains: what is to be done? It is not Obama’s style to launch into a prosecutorial investigation of intelligence officials or to open new partisan wounds by subjecting Bush, Cheney, Tenet, Donald Rumsfeld and others to war crime charges. He is intent on unifying the country, not further dividing it. He needs the professionals running the antiterror effort and, after eight years of Bush-Cheney, it is hard to find people not tainted by torture.

There is also the possibility that Bush himself might make a preemptive strike and, upon his departure from Washington, issue a blanket pardon for all his aides and underlings who aided and abetted war crimes in the past seven years. Leaving those pardons in place while prosecuting low-level officials or CIA agents would be deeply unfair. That was the rationale behind the 2006 Military Commissions Act, which gave retroactive immunity for war crimes to civilians in the administration, but not to the military grunts who enforced the policy, and which carved out a continuing exception for torture to CIA agents.

So perhaps the sanest way forward is a truth commission, modelled on those in Chile and South Africa that maintained governmental continuity for a while but set up a process that allowed for a maximal gathering of the relevant facts and names. The president could appoint a powerful and respected prosecutor to begin the process. The commission would focus not just on the military and CIA but also on the Bush justice department and Office of Legal Counsel, and the abuse of the law and its interpretation that gave Bush and Cheney transparently phoney legal cover for war crimes.

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  -Andrew Sullivan In The Sunday Times: Obama's First Problem Is U.S. War Crimes Hissyspit  Nov-29-08 06:59 PM   #0 
  - I like Sullivan. I like this article. I have only beef:  IndyOp   Nov-29-08 07:03 PM   #1 
  - Yep. n/t  sfexpat2000   Nov-30-08 12:32 PM   #30 
  - '06 MC Act did NOT give retroactive immunity for torture and War Crimes to gov't officials  leveymg   Nov-30-08 01:52 PM   #32 
  - True! But he must delegate, and put his moral authority behind ...  puebloknot   Nov-30-08 09:17 PM   #49 
     - The only way to reach a post-partisan world is to rid all  JDPriestly   Nov-30-08 10:11 PM   #50 
     - For me, it's an easy call -- he either holds criminals accountable, or I'm done with him.  Zhade   Nov-30-08 11:41 PM   #55 
     - No, you are not. I must see a turning from criminality, or I'll take my vote elsewhere.  puebloknot   Dec-01-08 01:39 AM   #62 
     - Agreed. Let Kucinich and Conyers take up the reins of justice -- not vengeance --  puebloknot   Dec-01-08 01:38 AM   #61 
     - YES WE CAN!  Titonwan   Dec-01-08 09:10 AM   #73 
        - Welcome to DU. We can hope, can't we?  puebloknot   Dec-01-08 01:00 PM   #74 
  - Good find that.  edwardlindy   Nov-29-08 07:03 PM   #2 
  - k & r  MPK   Nov-29-08 07:06 PM   #3 
  - Obama knows that the world is watching..  MadMaddie   Nov-29-08 07:09 PM   #4 
  - The world is indeed watching  gratuitous   Nov-29-08 08:42 PM   #16 
  - Well, I agree with you.  MadMaddie   Nov-29-08 11:42 PM   #25 
     - I guess I wasn't terribly clear  gratuitous   Nov-30-08 09:19 AM   #26 
  - How can we demand trials and sentences for the cruel war  JDPriestly   Nov-30-08 10:12 PM   #51 
  - Unfortunately, we have a nasty history of going elsewhere and demanding ...  puebloknot   Dec-01-08 01:41 AM   #63 
  - Crimes were committed and in my world criminals can't give themselves immunity for their crimes.  bobd0   Nov-29-08 07:11 PM   #5 
  - Obama should just turn these matters over to the International Criminal Court  trollybob   Nov-29-08 07:12 PM   #6 
  - Good idea. He could recuse himself for conflict of interest,  Bette Noir   Nov-30-08 02:48 PM   #35 
  - International Courts Can Ignore Pardons!  PuppyBismark   Dec-01-08 06:46 PM   #76 
  - It's good that Sullivan is trying to make up for cheerleading the criminals in the first place.  navarth   Nov-29-08 07:14 PM   #7 
  - My first thought too! Hey, Andrew, where the hell were you when these  mycritters2   Nov-29-08 07:24 PM   #8 
     - Agree with #s 7 & 8: The Democratic Administration doesn't need its priorities set by Andy & Tweety  UTUSN   Nov-29-08 09:12 PM   #19 
     - Andrew Sullivan spoke out early & often. He backed Kerry, was labelled "traitor"  judasdisney   Nov-29-08 09:29 PM   #21 
        - he spoke out early and often IN FAVOR OF BUSH.  navarth   Nov-30-08 12:25 PM   #28 
           - Kennedy opposed civils rights first. Lincoln wanted to deport slaves.  sfexpat2000   Nov-30-08 05:06 PM   #38 
              - well sure....  navarth   Nov-30-08 11:05 PM   #52 
              - Good Post  ProfessorGAC   Dec-01-08 06:06 AM   #69 
  - As usual, perhaps, I'm with Digby - "truth commissions" are a joke...  BlooInBloo   Nov-29-08 07:32 PM   #9 
  - They should be called "Cover-Up Commissions"..  stillcool47   Nov-29-08 08:12 PM   #11 
  - Indeed.  BlooInBloo   Nov-29-08 08:25 PM   #12 
  - It could buy some time until the huge problems are addressed.  babylonsister   Nov-29-08 08:38 PM   #13 
  - Yah. The "we'll get to it later"-thing ALWAYS works with the government. Be real....  BlooInBloo   Nov-29-08 08:49 PM   #17 
  - So what's your suggestion, to appease everyone? nt  babylonsister   Nov-29-08 09:32 PM   #22 
     - I'm not sure how to respond. Can you tell me which part of "I'm with Digby" was unclear to you?  BlooInBloo   Nov-29-08 09:33 PM   #23 
        - I'm asking you, not digby. What to do, what to do, she doesn't know either.  babylonsister   Nov-29-08 09:38 PM   #24 
           - what to do  Two Americas   Nov-30-08 12:44 PM   #31 
  - Babylon....you are thinking the "Commission" would buy us time?  KoKo01   Nov-30-08 05:24 PM   #42 
  - The rule of law is broken. How can it not be THE single most important thing to fix?  Zhade   Nov-30-08 11:48 PM   #57 
  - I keep saying it: After WWII, there were huge economic problems...  puebloknot   Dec-01-08 01:46 AM   #64 
  - After reading Sully and other's articles about why "Commission" is way to go...  KoKo01   Nov-30-08 05:16 PM   #39 
  - Digby Post is "Splash of COLD WATER" in the face of us who wanted Compromise  KoKo01   Nov-30-08 06:19 PM   #46 
  - Fantastic post. Wish I could recommend it -- I couldn't agree more with this.  Zhade   Nov-30-08 11:47 PM   #56 
  - "the solution to 'the problem of too much law' was to simply do away with the stuff."  annabanana   Dec-01-08 06:02 AM   #68 
  - k& r  BrklynLiberal   Nov-29-08 07:45 PM   #10 
  - Only Impeachment Can "Solve This" For Obama  Senator   Nov-29-08 08:38 PM   #14 
  - agreed, If the Obama admin can 'find the time' for troop surges  Mari333   Nov-29-08 08:41 PM   #15 
  - Yeah, that'll happen.  Bette Noir   Nov-30-08 02:53 PM   #36 
     - It may well. If demanded.  Senator   Dec-01-08 08:47 AM   #71 
  - "How does he deal with the legacy of criminal actions of his predecessor’s administration..."  unkachuck   Nov-29-08 09:06 PM   #18 
  - Your Avatar Photo of Rahm...is your guide. Move ON...because  KoKo01   Nov-30-08 05:18 PM   #40 
     - Hell they are good at digging up the past even though it only exists in their tiny minds  ooglymoogly   Nov-30-08 06:44 PM   #47 
     - it just goes to show....  unkachuck   Nov-30-08 08:23 PM   #48 
  - Pelosi, Reid & Schumer were likely fully complicit  judasdisney   Nov-29-08 09:25 PM   #20 
  - Read "The Dark Side" by Jane Mayer, then start writing lTTE about  alfredo   Nov-30-08 09:33 AM   #27 
  - Nothing will do more to restore this country than to instate the Rule of Law  ThomWV   Nov-30-08 12:28 PM   #29 
  - Heck Yes. They may find other prosecutable acts as well as  bluesmail   Nov-30-08 02:18 PM   #33 
  - Truth commission  Richard D   Nov-30-08 02:32 PM   #34 
  - If we cannot achieve justice, let US have truth.  Festivito   Nov-30-08 05:53 PM   #44 
  - kick...  KoKo01   Nov-30-08 05:03 PM   #37 
  - The International community  The Wizard   Nov-30-08 05:20 PM   #41 
  - This issue it "IT" for me. This issue is the bright line that I cannot  annabanana   Nov-30-08 05:31 PM   #43 
  - "Torture in OUR NAMES!" It's the crux of it no matter how it's whitwashed over..  KoKo01   Nov-30-08 06:17 PM   #45 
  - Yes  Solly Mack   Dec-01-08 06:54 AM   #70 
  - As long as people are actually held accountable for their crimes against humanity, bring it on.  Zhade   Nov-30-08 11:38 PM   #53 
  - Yeah, screw the economy, THIS needs to come first.  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-08 11:40 PM   #54 
  - See above -- and also look up the term "multitasking".  Zhade   Nov-30-08 11:54 PM   #58 
  - It isn't Obama's job to prosecute anybody.  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-08 11:59 PM   #59 
     - No, it will be his Attorney General's Job, and nothing is more important then the rule of law  digidigido   Dec-01-08 12:44 AM   #60 
  - Agreed. See my Post #64 above. nt  puebloknot   Dec-01-08 01:47 AM   #65 
  - War crimes must be punished  meowomon   Dec-01-08 02:43 AM   #66 
  - That's a non-choice for Obama  frog92969   Dec-01-08 03:50 AM   #67 
  - George W. Bush Belongs in Prison  shoeshock   Dec-01-08 09:05 AM   #72 
  - Most commissions do not work. Look at the 9/11 Commission, which  MasonJar   Dec-01-08 04:35 PM   #75 
 

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