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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 05:16 PM
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17. I am not a Nader promoter
Edited on Thu Nov-27-08 05:17 PM by Two Americas
And I wouldn't vote for him.

But I will always defend the right of people to post his ideas here, and the right of all of us to hear them in an atmosphere free from bullying and ad hominem attacks, smears and character assassination, mocking and ridiculing.

Elections are but one small part of self-government. we have a moral obligation and s civic =duty to express out opinions, even when they are unpopular. Elections are the effect of the ongoing national political discussion, not a cause, and should never be seen used to justify restricting or constraining a free and open discussion where all ideas can get a fair hearing.

There was a time when Abolitionists were in the minority and mocked and ridiculed, and when the Republican party started as an anti-slavery third party they were accused of being spoilers.

We have a moral obligation to speak the truth as we see it, not merely to side with the "winners" or with the powerful or what happens to be popular today. What is right should always be more important than what is popular.

"Protection, therefore, against the tyranny of the magistrate is not enough; there needs protection against the tyranny of the prevailing opinion and feeling, against the tendency of society to impose, by other means than civil penalties, its own ideas and practices as rules of conduct on those who dissent from them." - John Stuart Mill
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  -Ralph Nader is the Joe Lieberman of the left Mark E. Smith  Nov-27-08 09:33 AM   #0 
  - Bullshit.  alarimer   Nov-27-08 09:38 AM   #1 
  - Unlike Ralph Nader, Joe Lieberman has actually supported legislation to protect civil rights  CreekDog   Nov-27-08 09:44 AM   #6 
  - Unlike Joe Lieberman, Nader hasn't supported genocidal war  DerekG   Nov-27-08 07:55 PM   #28 
     - no but then again Nader helped Bush get elected  CreekDog   Nov-28-08 12:08 AM   #33 
        - Gore supported the absolutely horrifying Iraqi sanctions  DerekG   Nov-28-08 12:19 AM   #34 
           - didn't say Gore was the Prince of Peace  CreekDog   Nov-28-08 12:32 AM   #36 
              - Frankly, I was surprised to hear of his opposition  DerekG   Nov-28-08 01:01 AM   #39 
                 - edited  CreekDog   Nov-28-08 01:10 AM   #41 
  - a failure of logic is what you're exhibiting.  cali   Nov-27-08 09:50 AM   #9 
     - I am forced to agree totally with your assessment of Nader.  BrklynLiberal   Nov-28-08 12:55 AM   #38 
  - the adults, eh?  hfojvt   Nov-27-08 09:40 AM   #2 
  - I suggest we all spend our energy fully supporting Obama's agenda  mdmc   Nov-27-08 09:42 AM   #3 
  - Taking money isn't the problem. It's what the money buys. nt  Snotcicles   Nov-27-08 09:45 AM   #7 
     - can't be bought if it is not taken  mdmc   Nov-27-08 10:07 AM   #10 
  - I love Nader AND Lieberman  mdmc   Nov-27-08 09:43 AM   #4 
  - ..  madinmaryland   Nov-27-08 04:45 PM   #15 
  - It seems lots of Nader supporters are showing up here.  Lasher   Nov-27-08 09:44 AM   #5 
  - The difference between Nader and Lieberman is  socialdemocrat1981   Nov-27-08 09:48 AM   #8 
  - Did Ralph Nader take Republican Money?  lib2DaBone   Nov-27-08 12:42 PM   #11 
  - we all "take Republican money"  Two Americas   Nov-27-08 05:59 PM   #22 
  - so authoritarian and suppressive  Two Americas   Nov-27-08 12:51 PM   #12 
  - Laughable  Mark E. Smith   Nov-27-08 04:30 PM   #13 
     - "What you're doing here is whining on a message board."  depakid   Nov-27-08 04:36 PM   #14 
     - Sure pal.  Mark E. Smith   Nov-27-08 05:02 PM   #16 
     - I am not a Nader promoter  Two Americas   Nov-27-08 05:16 PM   #17 
        - Either both or neither.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-27-08 05:33 PM   #19 
        - agreed  Two Americas   Nov-27-08 05:49 PM   #20 
        - Overweening pomposity dressed up as indignation  Mark E. Smith   Nov-28-08 08:18 AM   #43 
           - I answered that above  Two Americas   Nov-28-08 10:55 AM   #44 
  - Let's get real  tama   Nov-27-08 05:19 PM   #18 
  - I think at one point Ralph would have made a good Democrat.  Steepler0t   Nov-27-08 05:49 PM   #21 
  - Recommended  creeksneakers2   Nov-27-08 06:18 PM   #23 
  - Nevermind.  superduperfarleft   Nov-27-08 06:20 PM   #24 
  - Lieberman and Nader have both sold out.  McCamy Taylor   Nov-27-08 06:33 PM   #25 
  - I'm not sure how Nadercompromised on individual liberties,  zeos3   Nov-28-08 12:49 AM   #37 
  - No Comparison: Lieberman sold out! Nadar stayed true to his principles to the point  pam4water   Nov-27-08 06:52 PM   #26 
  - funny, i don't consider nader any kind of leftist.  KG   Nov-27-08 07:13 PM   #27 
  - Duh!!! LIEBERMAN is the Joe Lieberman of the left.  the other one   Nov-27-08 08:08 PM   #29 
  - A "Quisling" to what? Last I heard, Nader ran as an Independent.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-27-08 08:08 PM   #30 
  - all your leftist base are belong to us  Two Americas   Nov-28-08 02:20 PM   #45 
  - The liquor stores are still open.  sfexpat2000   Nov-27-08 08:14 PM   #31 
  - H'ah?  pam4water   Nov-27-08 08:26 PM   #32 
  - Well, They Are Here  ProfessorGAC   Nov-28-08 12:22 AM   #35 
  - You're whining about Nader.  Echos Myron   Nov-28-08 01:06 AM   #40 
  - Nader-bashing primarily distracts attention from his policy and organizational legacy  struggle4progress   Nov-28-08 06:08 AM   #42 
  - Total Bullshit! Nader has done many good deeds protecting consumers.  ShortnFiery   Nov-28-08 02:22 PM   #46 
  - Nader has done more good for Republicans than Liberals.  sellitman   Nov-28-08 02:33 PM   #48 
     - No, stop that crap LABELING. Nader has helped AMERICANS in the past. He may be a little arrogant  ShortnFiery   Nov-28-08 02:38 PM   #49 
        - It's not crap.  sellitman   Nov-28-08 02:41 PM   #50 
           - We disagree.  ShortnFiery   Nov-28-08 02:45 PM   #51 
  - Has Nader ever been elected to any public office?  Catshrink   Nov-28-08 02:23 PM   #47 
 

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