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121. That's a good book to read.
I highly recommend it to anyone who seriously wants to understand the lives of the lower wage working class.
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  -Women staying in unproductive relationships from lack of choices! bobbolink  Nov-25-08 05:36 PM   #0 
  - Well, I'm all for welfare, food, housing, clothing, medical care, free, for anyone.  bemildred   Nov-25-08 05:41 PM   #1 
  - If her boyfriend isn't paying any bills, why doesn't she just live on her own?  MercutioATC   Nov-25-08 05:43 PM   #2 
  - she has other choices...  msongs   Nov-25-08 05:46 PM   #3 
  - Some elderly people already have a home health care aide, but could use a housemate  BerryBush   Nov-25-08 06:17 PM   #20 
  - No offense, but have you considered the possibility that she likes her boyfriend?  TheWraith   Nov-25-08 05:48 PM   #4 
  - have you considered...  awoke_in_2003   Nov-25-08 08:49 PM   #83 
     - Thank you for "getting it"!!!  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 09:03 PM   #87 
     - Not normally a violent person  awoke_in_2003   Nov-25-08 09:12 PM   #90 
     - I understand completely! I don't like to think of violence being the way to solve anything, either!  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 09:18 PM   #91 
        - Some middle class white males...  awoke_in_2003   Nov-25-08 09:30 PM   #93 
        - If this is the woman's situation, she should call a woman's shelter for advice. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:07 AM   #126 
        - I'm a woman, and I would be appalled if the men in my family acted on my behalf without my consent.  Heidi   Nov-26-08 07:17 AM   #158 
     - there is another way-disappear  KakistocracyHater   Nov-25-08 11:56 PM   #124 
     - You're expecting people to read your mind because you've been selective  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:06 AM   #125 
     - You're assuming a lot of things not in evidence.  TheWraith   Nov-25-08 11:10 PM   #110 
  - I absolutely agree with you  wildflower   Nov-25-08 05:51 PM   #5 
  - You're the first one on this thread who *does* understand.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 05:53 PM   #6 
     - perhaps because your post makes not a lot of sense?  Warren Stupidity   Nov-25-08 06:00 PM   #9 
     - maybe most of us are on ignore?  uppityperson   Nov-25-08 11:23 PM   #113 
     - I wonder if getting women's groups involved would help?  wildflower   Nov-25-08 06:13 PM   #18 
     - Congratulations on being a jerk.  TheWraith   Nov-25-08 11:12 PM   #111 
  - I agree, more low income housing is needed, health care, etc.  uppityperson   Nov-25-08 05:57 PM   #7 
  - I'm missing the part where her boyfriend, who pays no bills,  Warren Stupidity   Nov-25-08 05:57 PM   #8 
  - Her employers need to pay a living wage  LiberalEsto   Nov-25-08 06:00 PM   #10 
  - So, we can wait for that..... or start getting low-income housing for ALL now??  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 06:01 PM   #11 
  - The minimum wage could be increased more quickly than building a lot more  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 06:04 PM   #13 
     - All the elderly and disabled people thank you.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 07:46 PM   #50 
        - Your friend isn't elderly. Is she disabled?  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 08:03 PM   #60 
           - I included people like me in the OP.... but you've made it clear you're not available to  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:09 PM   #61 
              - Your OP highlighted your friend's situation -- a friend who appears to have  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 08:16 PM   #68 
              - Man, your local library is open late  haruka3_2000   Nov-25-08 09:36 PM   #96 
                 - I have that post at 7:09 mountain time  hfojvt   Nov-26-08 12:46 AM   #146 
  - Indeed they do.  surrealAmerican   Nov-25-08 06:57 PM   #31 
  - This young woman has other choices. She could live with a girlfriend,  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 06:03 PM   #12 
  - Winner! She could live with a girlfriend!  fed_up_mother   Nov-25-08 06:29 PM   #23 
     - Yep, my mother does that  Lorien   Nov-26-08 12:45 AM   #144 
  - Why is she sticking with a leech boyfriend that doesn't pay any bills?  tjwash   Nov-25-08 06:05 PM   #14 
  - Yeah, I'm not grasping the issue  TheKentuckian   Nov-25-08 06:07 PM   #15 
  - "people need a variety of support systems to get their feet underneath them"  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-25-08 06:11 PM   #17 
  - I have to agree  eilen   Nov-25-08 07:05 PM   #35 
  - The ability to earn a living wage would solve so many problems for so many.  Gwendolyn   Nov-25-08 06:09 PM   #16 
  - Nobody should be forced to live with someone they want to leave  oktoberain   Nov-25-08 06:13 PM   #19 
  - Thank you, oktoberbrain  wildflower   Nov-25-08 06:23 PM   #21 
  - "The lack of affordable housing in America is a social evil that desperately needs to be remedied."  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 06:26 PM   #22 
  - It is of importance, and it isn't new.  Gwendolyn   Nov-25-08 06:32 PM   #24 
  - So, what are we going to do about it? Accept it?  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 06:47 PM   #28 
     - dupe n/t  Gwendolyn   Nov-25-08 07:48 PM   # 
     - Well, considering that more and more families are going to find themselves on the street  Gwendolyn   Nov-25-08 07:48 PM   #51 
  - As someone who sees a desperate need for low-income housing and better wages  fed_up_mother   Nov-25-08 06:34 PM   #26 
  - I'm sure that never occurred to her. Because, of course, she must be stooopid.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 06:49 PM   #29 
     - If she really considered it, then she wouldn't say she only has two choices.  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 07:03 PM   #33 
     - I see no reason to support the lousy boyfriend who won't get a job  fed_up_mother   Nov-25-08 07:38 PM   #48 
     - And my mother rented out rooms in her big house for a time,  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 08:03 PM   #59 
     - Unlike many here, I don't dictate to people.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:11 PM   #63 
        - Why Are You Being So Nasty To People Who Are Sincere?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-25-08 09:37 PM   #97 
           - because that's what she does  pitohui   Nov-25-08 09:46 PM   #102 
     - That's a good book to read.  Confound W   Nov-25-08 11:48 PM   #121 
  - Regular housing would be more affordable if there were higher wages.  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 06:59 PM   #32 
  - Do "progressives" differ on whether elderly and disabled people should have housing?  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 07:05 PM   #36 
     - The elderly and disabled often are often unable to work in order  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 07:11 PM   #38 
     - And how do you know that?? Do you know her?  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 07:12 PM   #39 
        - I know that without knowing her. You say she only has two choices.  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 07:17 PM   #41 
        - It must be great to be so certain.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 07:36 PM   #46 
           - I do support low-income family for people who need it, but I'd prefer that  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 07:52 PM   #53 
           - thanks for reminding me that you consider me illogical.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:13 PM   #65 
              - The Poster Called You No Names.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-25-08 09:39 PM   #98 
           - good lord, someone suggests something and you accuse them of not being supportive.  uppityperson   Nov-25-08 11:27 PM   #114 
        - Maybe if you would give us more information  Dorian Gray   Nov-25-08 09:52 PM   #105 
     - It's still easier for young people to be more fluid in their choices.  Gwendolyn   Nov-25-08 07:13 PM   #40 
  - You took the words out of my mouth, bobbolink! A lot of people probably wonder why  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Nov-25-08 07:19 PM   #42 
     - i was going to respond to someone who believes this woman has lots of choices  noiretblu   Nov-25-08 07:21 PM   #43 
        - Especially the know-it-alls who've never been there... just like the RWers who are so CERTAIN  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 07:43 PM   #49 
        - Oh please. I've chosen the roommate option. So has my daughter, so have  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 08:12 PM   #64 
        - I've done the roommate option too.  Withywindle   Nov-25-08 10:51 PM   #107 
        - Has your friend even applied for low income housing?  lizzy   Nov-25-08 08:26 PM   #75 
        - Ummmm, Looks Like Someone Was Completely Incompetent In Selecting A Roommate.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-25-08 09:43 PM   #101 
        - You have no idea who of us has been there. Shame on you for your assumptions and accusations.  uppityperson   Nov-25-08 11:28 PM   #115 
        - The problem is that the OP gives no reasons as to why this woman  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 07:57 PM   #56 
  - This young woman isn't being forced to do anything; she has lots of options.  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 07:09 PM   #37 
  - Exactly. To suggest that a woman needs a boyfriend or daddy to survive is  Lorien   Nov-26-08 12:52 AM   #147 
  - There have been a steady increase in McMansions being built  intheflow   Nov-25-08 08:54 PM   #84 
     - I've thought of that here. For example, what is going to happen to  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:12 AM   #127 
  - kick..!  KoKo01   Nov-25-08 06:33 PM   #25 
  - What's a "productive" relationship?  leftstreet   Nov-25-08 06:37 PM   #27 
  - Here's how some young people are making do.  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 06:53 PM   #30 
  - An option like that may not be opened to the woman.  Confound W   Nov-25-08 11:34 PM   #117 
     - What do you mean? There are houses full of women looking for other  Lorien   Nov-26-08 12:59 AM   #148 
  - Wait a minute... I don't understand something  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-25-08 07:05 PM   #34 
  - May be the boyfriend's apartment.  Lars39   Nov-25-08 07:23 PM   #45 
     - Exactly!  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 07:37 PM   #47 
        - so why didn't you say that to begin with  WolverineDG   Nov-25-08 07:55 PM   #55 
        - Yes, it's all bullshit to you, because you don't see any need for compassion.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:14 PM   #66 
           - I would laugh, but you are too much. Pot-kettle. I pity you  uppityperson   Nov-25-08 11:29 PM   #116 
        - If it is his apartment, then he is paying the bills (rent? taxes on  lizzy   Nov-25-08 08:21 PM   #72 
           - Don't bother  WolverineDG   Nov-25-08 08:39 PM   #80 
           - Don't expect any tales from the pos(t)er to ever make sense. NT  mondo joe   Nov-25-08 10:59 PM   #108 
  - It is hard being 20 in this world  wellstone dem   Nov-25-08 07:22 PM   #44 
  - All good advice. Your daughter is lucky to have you. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 08:01 PM   #58 
  - For all of you "progressives"  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 07:49 PM   #52 
  - Homelessness is a terrible, frightening position to be in.  Gwendolyn   Nov-25-08 08:35 PM   #78 
  - Why didn't you just post an OP stating we need more affordable housing?  leftstreet   Nov-25-08 11:16 PM   #112 
  - If BF isn't paying the bills  WolverineDG   Nov-25-08 07:53 PM   #54 
  - Agreed  tammywammy   Nov-25-08 08:00 PM   #57 
  - she has some choices  dugaresa   Nov-25-08 08:09 PM   #62 
  - "first she kicks out the deadbeat boyfriend" GREAT IDEA!! WHY DIDNT SHE THINK OF THAT???  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:16 PM   #67 
  - If it's HIS apartment, WHO IS PAYING THE RENT???  WolverineDG   Nov-25-08 08:42 PM   #81 
  - If the apartment is his, she'll have to leave.  Lars39   Nov-25-08 08:16 PM   #69 
     - Thank you. I thought there was more awareness here than there obviously is.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:21 PM   #73 
     - Not to mention a lot of landlords are checking credit scores.  Lars39   Nov-25-08 08:27 PM   #76 
        - Yes, all of that. It's so painful for these young women.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:54 PM   #85 
     - She could live with her parents until she saves up the deposits.  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:17 AM   #128 
  - If the boyfriend doesn't pay the bills, why does she have to live  lizzy   Nov-25-08 08:20 PM   #70 
  - There should be...  dajoki   Nov-25-08 08:20 PM   #71 
  - dajoki, you are a wonderful father and grandfather, so it's very difficult to understand what these  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:26 PM   #74 
     - No I don't get it...  dajoki   Nov-25-08 09:06 PM   #88 
  - While you make good points about lack of afforable housing and poor wages, you lost me on your  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-08 08:34 PM   #77 
  - Most college students live in crummy apartments with roommates.  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 08:36 PM   #79 
  - You might not have called people names...  travelingtypist   Nov-25-08 08:46 PM   #82 
  - I agree with the need for low income housing  ismnotwasm   Nov-25-08 08:59 PM   #86 
  - Much as I bitched the whole time I was in the military  thecatburgler   Nov-25-08 10:18 PM   #106 
  - Sounds like High Point, Greenbridge and Holly Park in Seattle  eridani   Nov-26-08 02:46 AM   #151 
  - I don't understand the big problem.  Xenotime   Nov-25-08 09:11 PM   #89 
  - I am stymied  maryf   Nov-25-08 09:24 PM   #92 
  - Thank you, maryf!! I'm so discouraged at the lack of awareness and concern...  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 09:33 PM   #94 
  - The opposite attitude to this cynical, judgemental position:  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 09:40 PM   #99 
  - Why take at face value something that doesn't make sense?  mondo joe   Nov-25-08 11:03 PM   #109 
  - Because we can't take at face value something that is clearly FALSE.  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:23 AM   #129 
  - Would've Been A Worthy OP If It Weren't For The Inherent Sexism Within It.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-25-08 09:34 PM   #95 
  - the poster is a well known dweller under bridges  pitohui   Nov-25-08 09:42 PM   #100 
     - I Lived In My Car Through 2 Of Jersey's Harshest Winters In Decades.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-25-08 09:47 PM   #103 
     - you know, that's a good way to put it  pitohui   Nov-25-08 09:52 PM   #104 
     - And the problem is that that kind of attitude drives potential helpers away.  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:33 AM   #133 
        - How patronizing of you.  undeterred   Nov-26-08 12:34 AM   #136 
        - Do you think...  mondo joe   Nov-26-08 12:35 AM   #138 
        - I was wondering that, actually.  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:45 AM   #145 
        - My impression has been that nothing we do or say  JackBeck   Nov-26-08 01:54 AM   #149 
     - Yup. Many of us have been there, been homeless or in bad situations  uppityperson   Nov-25-08 11:36 PM   #118 
        - The thread isn't about trying to help. It's a stink bomb intended as a vehicle to be  mondo joe   Nov-25-08 11:39 PM   #119 
           - I know. I don't understand why these are let open, why let the nastiness continue.  uppityperson   Nov-25-08 11:43 PM   #120 
           - What I don't understand is how the OP is able to post at all hours of the day  JackBeck   Nov-25-08 11:49 PM   #122 
           - Nor do I. These threads are just bait for DUers to nibble on and get slammed for their  mondo joe   Nov-25-08 11:51 PM   #123 
              - Precisely.  quantessd   Nov-26-08 12:28 AM   #130 
           - Its not about your issue  undeterred   Nov-26-08 12:31 AM   #132 
              - The thread is not about anything but pissing on DUers, from someone with nothing  mondo joe   Nov-26-08 12:34 AM   #134 
              - Care to inform us what mondo's "issue" is?  JackBeck   Nov-26-08 12:34 AM   #135 
                 - You've apparently got some hostility issues.  undeterred   Nov-26-08 12:35 AM   #139 
                    - None at all.  JackBeck   Nov-26-08 12:37 AM   #141 
     - You might be on to something.  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:30 AM   #131 
     - Not to mention the apparent attitude that a woman has no power or choices independent of men  Radical Activist   Nov-26-08 03:51 AM   #153 
  - No, I cannot "consider this as important as stopping the war, as important as gay marriage,  Heidi   Nov-26-08 12:34 AM   #137 
  - Heidi, thank you.  JackBeck   Nov-26-08 12:36 AM   #140 
  - Agreed. Affordable housing is a very important issue. But the story in the OP trivializes  mondo joe   Nov-26-08 12:39 AM   #142 
  - Read 'Nickeled and Dimed' by Barbara Ehrenreich  JCMach1   Nov-26-08 12:43 AM   #143 
  - I'm curious to hear what your solutions are for your friend.  JackBeck   Nov-26-08 02:07 AM   #150 
  - There is always choice...  Jack_DeLeon   Nov-26-08 03:22 AM   #152 
  - As long as you blame the guy and not the woman, that's all that really counts.  TexasObserver   Nov-26-08 05:40 AM   #154 
  - Or maybe she should  Heidi   Nov-26-08 06:49 AM   #155 
     - Self sufficiency is a worthy goal for all young people.  TexasObserver   Nov-26-08 06:58 AM   #156 
        - I couldn't agree more.  Heidi   Nov-26-08 07:09 AM   #157 
  - Locking.  Puglover   Nov-26-08 07:31 AM   #159 

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