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30. Here's how some young people are making do.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/realestate/23habi.htm...

THE duplex five-bedroom apartment on Attorney Street that Daniel Vosovic calls home seems ready-made for a television sitcom. Theres the location, on the of-the-moment Lower East Side, with its mix of detox juice bars and Old World knishes, runway models and streetwise misfits. There are Mr. Vosovics four roommates, who work in disparate industries cupcakes, high fashion, education and sofas.

And theres the fact that Mr. Vosovic has already scored a success on the TV reality show Project Runway. He was a finalist on Season 2, and even though he didnt win, he was a fan favorite. These days he is a freelance fashion designer, most recently of hotel uniforms, with hopes of launching his own line. He is also the author of a new book, his first, Fashion Inside Out, Daniel V.s Guide to How Style Happens From Inspiration to Runway and Beyond (Watson-Guptill), and is treated like a celebrity when he goes to restaurants, his roommates say.

But at home, his roommates sometimes refer to him as Daddy Dan. Hell leave little notes for us, explained one, Caroline Purvins, 26, who says she likes to start things, like painting a wall, but doesnt necessarily like to finish them. He likes to get things done.

On a recent afternoon, Mr. Vosovic, who at 27 is the eldest of the crew, sat dadlike in a chair in the tiny living room. Miss Purvins and Nick DAdamo, 26, a Georgia native who is the only roommate who did not grow up in Grand Rapids, Mich., sat opposite him on the low Ikea couch that the group bought cheap because it was damaged, and then reupholstered in a gray fabric.

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  -Women staying in unproductive relationships from lack of choices! bobbolink  Nov-25-08 05:36 PM   #0 
  - Well, I'm all for welfare, food, housing, clothing, medical care, free, for anyone.  bemildred   Nov-25-08 05:41 PM   #1 
  - If her boyfriend isn't paying any bills, why doesn't she just live on her own?  MercutioATC   Nov-25-08 05:43 PM   #2 
  - she has other choices...  msongs   Nov-25-08 05:46 PM   #3 
  - Some elderly people already have a home health care aide, but could use a housemate  BerryBush   Nov-25-08 06:17 PM   #20 
  - No offense, but have you considered the possibility that she likes her boyfriend?  TheWraith   Nov-25-08 05:48 PM   #4 
  - have you considered...  awoke_in_2003   Nov-25-08 08:49 PM   #83 
     - Thank you for "getting it"!!!  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 09:03 PM   #87 
     - Not normally a violent person  awoke_in_2003   Nov-25-08 09:12 PM   #90 
     - I understand completely! I don't like to think of violence being the way to solve anything, either!  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 09:18 PM   #91 
        - Some middle class white males...  awoke_in_2003   Nov-25-08 09:30 PM   #93 
        - If this is the woman's situation, she should call a woman's shelter for advice. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:07 AM   #126 
        - I'm a woman, and I would be appalled if the men in my family acted on my behalf without my consent.  Heidi   Nov-26-08 07:17 AM   #158 
     - there is another way-disappear  KakistocracyHater   Nov-25-08 11:56 PM   #124 
     - You're expecting people to read your mind because you've been selective  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:06 AM   #125 
     - You're assuming a lot of things not in evidence.  TheWraith   Nov-25-08 11:10 PM   #110 
  - I absolutely agree with you  wildflower   Nov-25-08 05:51 PM   #5 
  - You're the first one on this thread who *does* understand.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 05:53 PM   #6 
     - perhaps because your post makes not a lot of sense?  Warren Stupidity   Nov-25-08 06:00 PM   #9 
     - maybe most of us are on ignore?  uppityperson   Nov-25-08 11:23 PM   #113 
     - I wonder if getting women's groups involved would help?  wildflower   Nov-25-08 06:13 PM   #18 
     - Congratulations on being a jerk.  TheWraith   Nov-25-08 11:12 PM   #111 
  - I agree, more low income housing is needed, health care, etc.  uppityperson   Nov-25-08 05:57 PM   #7 
  - I'm missing the part where her boyfriend, who pays no bills,  Warren Stupidity   Nov-25-08 05:57 PM   #8 
  - Her employers need to pay a living wage  LiberalEsto   Nov-25-08 06:00 PM   #10 
  - So, we can wait for that..... or start getting low-income housing for ALL now??  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 06:01 PM   #11 
  - The minimum wage could be increased more quickly than building a lot more  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 06:04 PM   #13 
     - All the elderly and disabled people thank you.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 07:46 PM   #50 
        - Your friend isn't elderly. Is she disabled?  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 08:03 PM   #60 
           - I included people like me in the OP.... but you've made it clear you're not available to  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:09 PM   #61 
              - Your OP highlighted your friend's situation -- a friend who appears to have  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 08:16 PM   #68 
              - Man, your local library is open late  haruka3_2000   Nov-25-08 09:36 PM   #96 
                 - I have that post at 7:09 mountain time  hfojvt   Nov-26-08 12:46 AM   #146 
  - Indeed they do.  surrealAmerican   Nov-25-08 06:57 PM   #31 
  - This young woman has other choices. She could live with a girlfriend,  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 06:03 PM   #12 
  - Winner! She could live with a girlfriend!  fed_up_mother   Nov-25-08 06:29 PM   #23 
     - Yep, my mother does that  Lorien   Nov-26-08 12:45 AM   #144 
  - Why is she sticking with a leech boyfriend that doesn't pay any bills?  tjwash   Nov-25-08 06:05 PM   #14 
  - Yeah, I'm not grasping the issue  TheKentuckian   Nov-25-08 06:07 PM   #15 
  - "people need a variety of support systems to get their feet underneath them"  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-25-08 06:11 PM   #17 
  - I have to agree  eilen   Nov-25-08 07:05 PM   #35 
  - The ability to earn a living wage would solve so many problems for so many.  Gwendolyn   Nov-25-08 06:09 PM   #16 
  - Nobody should be forced to live with someone they want to leave  oktoberain   Nov-25-08 06:13 PM   #19 
  - Thank you, oktoberbrain  wildflower   Nov-25-08 06:23 PM   #21 
  - "The lack of affordable housing in America is a social evil that desperately needs to be remedied."  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 06:26 PM   #22 
  - It is of importance, and it isn't new.  Gwendolyn   Nov-25-08 06:32 PM   #24 
  - So, what are we going to do about it? Accept it?  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 06:47 PM   #28 
     - dupe n/t  Gwendolyn   Nov-25-08 07:48 PM   # 
     - Well, considering that more and more families are going to find themselves on the street  Gwendolyn   Nov-25-08 07:48 PM   #51 
  - As someone who sees a desperate need for low-income housing and better wages  fed_up_mother   Nov-25-08 06:34 PM   #26 
  - I'm sure that never occurred to her. Because, of course, she must be stooopid.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 06:49 PM   #29 
     - If she really considered it, then she wouldn't say she only has two choices.  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 07:03 PM   #33 
     - I see no reason to support the lousy boyfriend who won't get a job  fed_up_mother   Nov-25-08 07:38 PM   #48 
     - And my mother rented out rooms in her big house for a time,  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 08:03 PM   #59 
     - Unlike many here, I don't dictate to people.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:11 PM   #63 
        - Why Are You Being So Nasty To People Who Are Sincere?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-25-08 09:37 PM   #97 
           - because that's what she does  pitohui   Nov-25-08 09:46 PM   #102 
     - That's a good book to read.  Confound W   Nov-25-08 11:48 PM   #121 
  - Regular housing would be more affordable if there were higher wages.  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 06:59 PM   #32 
  - Do "progressives" differ on whether elderly and disabled people should have housing?  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 07:05 PM   #36 
     - The elderly and disabled often are often unable to work in order  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 07:11 PM   #38 
     - And how do you know that?? Do you know her?  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 07:12 PM   #39 
        - I know that without knowing her. You say she only has two choices.  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 07:17 PM   #41 
        - It must be great to be so certain.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 07:36 PM   #46 
           - I do support low-income family for people who need it, but I'd prefer that  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 07:52 PM   #53 
           - thanks for reminding me that you consider me illogical.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:13 PM   #65 
              - The Poster Called You No Names.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-25-08 09:39 PM   #98 
           - good lord, someone suggests something and you accuse them of not being supportive.  uppityperson   Nov-25-08 11:27 PM   #114 
        - Maybe if you would give us more information  Dorian Gray   Nov-25-08 09:52 PM   #105 
     - It's still easier for young people to be more fluid in their choices.  Gwendolyn   Nov-25-08 07:13 PM   #40 
  - You took the words out of my mouth, bobbolink! A lot of people probably wonder why  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Nov-25-08 07:19 PM   #42 
     - i was going to respond to someone who believes this woman has lots of choices  noiretblu   Nov-25-08 07:21 PM   #43 
        - Especially the know-it-alls who've never been there... just like the RWers who are so CERTAIN  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 07:43 PM   #49 
        - Oh please. I've chosen the roommate option. So has my daughter, so have  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 08:12 PM   #64 
        - I've done the roommate option too.  Withywindle   Nov-25-08 10:51 PM   #107 
        - Has your friend even applied for low income housing?  lizzy   Nov-25-08 08:26 PM   #75 
        - Ummmm, Looks Like Someone Was Completely Incompetent In Selecting A Roommate.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-25-08 09:43 PM   #101 
        - You have no idea who of us has been there. Shame on you for your assumptions and accusations.  uppityperson   Nov-25-08 11:28 PM   #115 
        - The problem is that the OP gives no reasons as to why this woman  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 07:57 PM   #56 
  - This young woman isn't being forced to do anything; she has lots of options.  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 07:09 PM   #37 
  - Exactly. To suggest that a woman needs a boyfriend or daddy to survive is  Lorien   Nov-26-08 12:52 AM   #147 
  - There have been a steady increase in McMansions being built  intheflow   Nov-25-08 08:54 PM   #84 
     - I've thought of that here. For example, what is going to happen to  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:12 AM   #127 
  - kick..!  KoKo01   Nov-25-08 06:33 PM   #25 
  - What's a "productive" relationship?  leftstreet   Nov-25-08 06:37 PM   #27 
  - Here's how some young people are making do.  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 06:53 PM   #30 
  - An option like that may not be opened to the woman.  Confound W   Nov-25-08 11:34 PM   #117 
     - What do you mean? There are houses full of women looking for other  Lorien   Nov-26-08 12:59 AM   #148 
  - Wait a minute... I don't understand something  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-25-08 07:05 PM   #34 
  - May be the boyfriend's apartment.  Lars39   Nov-25-08 07:23 PM   #45 
     - Exactly!  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 07:37 PM   #47 
        - so why didn't you say that to begin with  WolverineDG   Nov-25-08 07:55 PM   #55 
        - Yes, it's all bullshit to you, because you don't see any need for compassion.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:14 PM   #66 
           - I would laugh, but you are too much. Pot-kettle. I pity you  uppityperson   Nov-25-08 11:29 PM   #116 
        - If it is his apartment, then he is paying the bills (rent? taxes on  lizzy   Nov-25-08 08:21 PM   #72 
           - Don't bother  WolverineDG   Nov-25-08 08:39 PM   #80 
           - Don't expect any tales from the pos(t)er to ever make sense. NT  mondo joe   Nov-25-08 10:59 PM   #108 
  - It is hard being 20 in this world  wellstone dem   Nov-25-08 07:22 PM   #44 
  - All good advice. Your daughter is lucky to have you. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 08:01 PM   #58 
  - For all of you "progressives"  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 07:49 PM   #52 
  - Homelessness is a terrible, frightening position to be in.  Gwendolyn   Nov-25-08 08:35 PM   #78 
  - Why didn't you just post an OP stating we need more affordable housing?  leftstreet   Nov-25-08 11:16 PM   #112 
  - If BF isn't paying the bills  WolverineDG   Nov-25-08 07:53 PM   #54 
  - Agreed  tammywammy   Nov-25-08 08:00 PM   #57 
  - she has some choices  dugaresa   Nov-25-08 08:09 PM   #62 
  - "first she kicks out the deadbeat boyfriend" GREAT IDEA!! WHY DIDNT SHE THINK OF THAT???  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:16 PM   #67 
  - If it's HIS apartment, WHO IS PAYING THE RENT???  WolverineDG   Nov-25-08 08:42 PM   #81 
  - If the apartment is his, she'll have to leave.  Lars39   Nov-25-08 08:16 PM   #69 
     - Thank you. I thought there was more awareness here than there obviously is.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:21 PM   #73 
     - Not to mention a lot of landlords are checking credit scores.  Lars39   Nov-25-08 08:27 PM   #76 
        - Yes, all of that. It's so painful for these young women.  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:54 PM   #85 
     - She could live with her parents until she saves up the deposits.  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:17 AM   #128 
  - If the boyfriend doesn't pay the bills, why does she have to live  lizzy   Nov-25-08 08:20 PM   #70 
  - There should be...  dajoki   Nov-25-08 08:20 PM   #71 
  - dajoki, you are a wonderful father and grandfather, so it's very difficult to understand what these  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 08:26 PM   #74 
     - No I don't get it...  dajoki   Nov-25-08 09:06 PM   #88 
  - While you make good points about lack of afforable housing and poor wages, you lost me on your  PeaceNikki   Nov-25-08 08:34 PM   #77 
  - Most college students live in crummy apartments with roommates.  pnwmom   Nov-25-08 08:36 PM   #79 
  - You might not have called people names...  travelingtypist   Nov-25-08 08:46 PM   #82 
  - I agree with the need for low income housing  ismnotwasm   Nov-25-08 08:59 PM   #86 
  - Much as I bitched the whole time I was in the military  thecatburgler   Nov-25-08 10:18 PM   #106 
  - Sounds like High Point, Greenbridge and Holly Park in Seattle  eridani   Nov-26-08 02:46 AM   #151 
  - I don't understand the big problem.  Xenotime   Nov-25-08 09:11 PM   #89 
  - I am stymied  maryf   Nov-25-08 09:24 PM   #92 
  - Thank you, maryf!! I'm so discouraged at the lack of awareness and concern...  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 09:33 PM   #94 
  - The opposite attitude to this cynical, judgemental position:  bobbolink   Nov-25-08 09:40 PM   #99 
  - Why take at face value something that doesn't make sense?  mondo joe   Nov-25-08 11:03 PM   #109 
  - Because we can't take at face value something that is clearly FALSE.  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:23 AM   #129 
  - Would've Been A Worthy OP If It Weren't For The Inherent Sexism Within It.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-25-08 09:34 PM   #95 
  - the poster is a well known dweller under bridges  pitohui   Nov-25-08 09:42 PM   #100 
     - I Lived In My Car Through 2 Of Jersey's Harshest Winters In Decades.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-25-08 09:47 PM   #103 
     - you know, that's a good way to put it  pitohui   Nov-25-08 09:52 PM   #104 
     - And the problem is that that kind of attitude drives potential helpers away.  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:33 AM   #133 
        - How patronizing of you.  undeterred   Nov-26-08 12:34 AM   #136 
        - Do you think...  mondo joe   Nov-26-08 12:35 AM   #138 
        - I was wondering that, actually.  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:45 AM   #145 
        - My impression has been that nothing we do or say  JackBeck   Nov-26-08 01:54 AM   #149 
     - Yup. Many of us have been there, been homeless or in bad situations  uppityperson   Nov-25-08 11:36 PM   #118 
        - The thread isn't about trying to help. It's a stink bomb intended as a vehicle to be  mondo joe   Nov-25-08 11:39 PM   #119 
           - I know. I don't understand why these are let open, why let the nastiness continue.  uppityperson   Nov-25-08 11:43 PM   #120 
           - What I don't understand is how the OP is able to post at all hours of the day  JackBeck   Nov-25-08 11:49 PM   #122 
           - Nor do I. These threads are just bait for DUers to nibble on and get slammed for their  mondo joe   Nov-25-08 11:51 PM   #123 
              - Precisely.  quantessd   Nov-26-08 12:28 AM   #130 
           - Its not about your issue  undeterred   Nov-26-08 12:31 AM   #132 
              - The thread is not about anything but pissing on DUers, from someone with nothing  mondo joe   Nov-26-08 12:34 AM   #134 
              - Care to inform us what mondo's "issue" is?  JackBeck   Nov-26-08 12:34 AM   #135 
                 - You've apparently got some hostility issues.  undeterred   Nov-26-08 12:35 AM   #139 
                    - None at all.  JackBeck   Nov-26-08 12:37 AM   #141 
     - You might be on to something.  pnwmom   Nov-26-08 12:30 AM   #131 
     - Not to mention the apparent attitude that a woman has no power or choices independent of men  Radical Activist   Nov-26-08 03:51 AM   #153 
  - No, I cannot "consider this as important as stopping the war, as important as gay marriage,  Heidi   Nov-26-08 12:34 AM   #137 
  - Heidi, thank you.  JackBeck   Nov-26-08 12:36 AM   #140 
  - Agreed. Affordable housing is a very important issue. But the story in the OP trivializes  mondo joe   Nov-26-08 12:39 AM   #142 
  - Read 'Nickeled and Dimed' by Barbara Ehrenreich  JCMach1   Nov-26-08 12:43 AM   #143 
  - I'm curious to hear what your solutions are for your friend.  JackBeck   Nov-26-08 02:07 AM   #150 
  - There is always choice...  Jack_DeLeon   Nov-26-08 03:22 AM   #152 
  - As long as you blame the guy and not the woman, that's all that really counts.  TexasObserver   Nov-26-08 05:40 AM   #154 
  - Or maybe she should  Heidi   Nov-26-08 06:49 AM   #155 
     - Self sufficiency is a worthy goal for all young people.  TexasObserver   Nov-26-08 06:58 AM   #156 
        - I couldn't agree more.  Heidi   Nov-26-08 07:09 AM   #157 
  - Locking.  Puglover   Nov-26-08 07:31 AM   #159 
 

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