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Tue Nov-25-08 01:02 PM
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| 23. let's kill the myth of the "middle" |
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We can never achieve anything like the New Deal by starting in the middle. The moderate middle of the New Deal was a compromise between the forces of reaction, the desires of the wealthy few, and the needs of the working people. That could only have happened because there were strong and organized forces on the Left.
Yet you are using your portrayal of this moderate "middle" to discourage or discredit voices from the Left. If there is no dissent, of there are no voices from the Left, then the middle will be far to the right and if that had been the case in the 30's there could have been no New Deal.
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| -Ok time for some mythj killing regarding FDR, the media |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-24-08 11:28 PM |
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K&R. |
anonymous171 |
Nov-24-08 11:32 PM |
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Lots of good info. |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-24-08 11:33 PM |
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Corrected that, after you posted |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-24-08 11:36 PM |
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It's almost impossible to exaggerate the degree of overt anti-Semitism prevalent then. |
pnorman |
Nov-25-08 10:01 AM |
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I expect the same to happen in four years |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-25-08 08:58 PM |
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But let us all HOPE for the sake of this country & world, that 2012 plays out like 1936 did! |
pnorman |
Nov-26-08 03:52 PM |
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Great info and analysis, Thank You - NT |
Dragonfli |
Nov-24-08 11:39 PM |
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You welcome... The parallels are just astoundiung |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-24-08 11:40 PM |
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History is one of our most important tools |
Dragonfli |
Nov-24-08 11:48 PM |
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There are a myriad of books on the subject |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-24-08 11:50 PM |
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I have been working on the self education thing since I was 16 |
Dragonfli |
Nov-25-08 12:05 AM |
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hmm book, hmmm I have not read the actual historiography |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-25-08 08:59 PM |
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Thank You :-) NT |
Dragonfli |
Nov-25-08 09:10 PM |
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Just for fun, you could try "It Can't Happen Here" by Sinclair Lewis. |
Doremus |
Nov-25-08 11:17 PM |
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Now you've done it... will have to download it |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-26-08 11:17 PM |
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I have heard many references over the years to that one. |
Dragonfli |
Nov-27-08 12:22 PM |
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The Fair Labor Standards Act didn't come until 1938 |
bluestateguy |
Nov-24-08 11:45 PM |
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I know, but I will also argue that the people back then |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-24-08 11:52 PM |
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and then things changed.... |
Two Americas |
Nov-24-08 11:51 PM |
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First, there was more diversity of voices then. |
Radical Activist |
Nov-24-08 11:52 PM |
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First we have the same diversity, just not in old media |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-25-08 12:02 AM |
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Just because |
Radical Activist |
Nov-25-08 11:25 AM |
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I mever sad he was a marxist, |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-25-08 08:55 PM |
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What planet are you on? |
Radical Activist |
Nov-26-08 01:53 AM |
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He is not, read his legislative record... if you cannot read his record |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-26-08 11:16 PM |
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I'm very familiar with his record. |
Radical Activist |
Nov-26-08 11:35 PM |
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Yeah he gets high numbers from some groups... all politicos do |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-26-08 11:40 PM |
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There it is. The fatalistic cynicism. |
Radical Activist |
Nov-27-08 12:02 AM |
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No, it is a political reality |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-27-08 12:20 AM |
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FDR is considered one of the most liberal Presidents in history. |
Radical Activist |
Nov-27-08 12:47 AM |
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What part of I can distinguish between GOVERNOR |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-27-08 01:00 AM |
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Your FDR red herring aside |
Radical Activist |
Nov-27-08 01:07 AM |
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You can believe whatever you want, including that red herring called |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-27-08 01:10 AM |
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How about giving me ANY evidence? |
Radical Activist |
Nov-27-08 01:17 AM |
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His legislative HISTORY |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-27-08 01:27 AM |
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more importantly |
Two Americas |
Nov-25-08 12:48 PM |
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What's missing today is the strong labor/left movements of the time |
leftstreet |
Nov-25-08 12:14 AM |
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exactly |
Two Americas |
Nov-25-08 12:51 PM |
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Correct., as one of my profs put it, to save capitalism from itself |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-25-08 09:00 PM |
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My mother taught me about Coughlin -- and a whole lot more |
starroute |
Nov-25-08 12:41 AM |
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ThanksI LOVE primary sources |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-25-08 09:02 PM |
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K&R A very good read. Thanks for this post. |
JDPriestly |
Nov-25-08 01:22 AM |
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raised by a system of taxation levied on the principle of ability to pay. |
Winterblues |
Nov-25-08 11:40 AM |
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I think this platform shows plenty of clues .... |
Joe Fields |
Nov-25-08 11:58 AM |
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He did not run on the New Deal, and that IS the point |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-25-08 09:06 PM |
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let's kill the myth of the "middle" |
Two Americas |
Nov-25-08 01:02 PM |
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Big difference. Then, in spite of a 4-wall media blitz (for that time), |
greyhound1966 |
Nov-25-08 09:04 PM |
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They don't OWN the new Media |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-25-08 09:08 PM |
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We get news and information from the internet, but we are still a less than insignificant |
greyhound1966 |
Nov-25-08 09:36 PM |
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Yes but also the media of the 1950s was the direct |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-25-08 10:33 PM |
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Second thread tonight with a bailout cheerleader giving history lessons. |
Hannah Bell |
Nov-25-08 09:17 PM |
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Who funded Coughlin, nadin? |
Hannah Bell |
Nov-25-08 09:51 PM |
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FDR enacted Norman Thomas' platform. |
Perragrande |
Nov-27-08 02:06 AM |
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I know and partly because them commies did so well in that same |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-27-08 12:01 PM |
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