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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 09:24 AM
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118. For logic's sake, please "just say no" to Raygunisms.
(See, that's irony there)

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  -Why would a nurse oppose Universal Health Care? This nurse whutgives  Nov-22-08 07:20 PM   #0 
  - They don't understand it.  elleng   Nov-22-08 07:25 PM   #1 
  - They fear teh socialisticism will eat their babies.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-22-08 07:34 PM   #2 
  - Great talking point, Warren, I will use it.  raccoon   Nov-24-08 08:05 AM   #113 
  - My late husband's dialysis nurse and her husband a fireman drank the RW  Cleita   Nov-22-08 07:34 PM   #3 
  - Sweet! Good comeback!  whutgives   Nov-22-08 07:37 PM   #4 
  - of my psycho right wing colleagues, only ONE has ever held a  dorktv   Nov-22-08 08:56 PM   #14 
  - She has good insurance for her family and herself.  peace13   Nov-22-08 07:43 PM   #5 
  - well  buckettgirl   Nov-22-08 07:46 PM   #6 
  - Thank you - that may be where she is coming from too. Not being  whutgives   Nov-22-08 07:51 PM   #8 
  - Medicare works quite well. As someone who has had to do the billing as  Cleita   Nov-22-08 08:07 PM   #10 
  - Question for you both  JerseygirlCT   Nov-22-08 09:04 PM   #18 
  - I used to use the same generic form for all the insurers.  Cleita   Nov-22-08 09:29 PM   #22 
  - Here is an answer. With nationalized wouldn't need the forms. n/t  Horse with no Name   Nov-23-08 03:23 AM   #56 
     - You are always going to need the forms  theboss   Nov-24-08 09:01 AM   #115 
        - Why not? Don't most nations with socialized medicine avoid this travesty?  greyhound1966   Nov-24-08 09:19 AM   #117 
  - Thanks for this. I am a nurse too  Horse with no Name   Nov-23-08 03:23 AM   #55 
  - My internist says that Medicare is his preferred insurance provider.  SharonAnn   Nov-22-08 08:54 PM   #13 
  - Yes, this was the experience I had with private insurers vs. Medicare.  Cleita   Nov-22-08 09:31 PM   #24 
  - I'm not referring to the billing  buckettgirl   Nov-22-08 10:13 PM   #30 
     - So you think the private health plans are better?  Cleita   Nov-23-08 12:43 AM   #38 
     - Thanks for twisting my words  buckettgirl   Nov-23-08 10:02 AM   #68 
     - Look, I agree with her. My Mom was in nursing care and  JeanGrey   Nov-23-08 06:27 PM   #79 
        - Look I'm familiar with dishonest health care providers billing for stuff they don't do and  Cleita   Nov-23-08 07:05 PM   #85 
           - I did, several times. Nothing changed. And as far as tests,  JeanGrey   Nov-24-08 12:52 AM   #108 
           - Thats part of the reason why I'm leaving the nursing home.  buckettgirl   Nov-24-08 06:39 PM   #133 
           - Its not about being dishonest  buckettgirl   Nov-24-08 07:12 PM   #134 
     - but you don't want to deny health care to everyone for these reasons...  orleans   Nov-23-08 12:45 AM   #39 
     - I hope your nursing home is better, but see my post #44...  demodonkey   Nov-23-08 01:29 AM   #48 
     - Only slightly  buckettgirl   Nov-23-08 10:11 AM   #69 
     - Well we agree on single payer cradle to grave single-payer system...  demodonkey   Nov-23-08 12:42 PM   #73 
     - Then can discriminate for a LOT OF REASONS. Practically  JeanGrey   Nov-23-08 06:30 PM   #80 
        - Nursing homes are not all they should be, I agree.  Cleita   Nov-23-08 07:12 PM   #86 
        - It has to be better than the U.S.A. It is hard for me to believe there  JeanGrey   Nov-24-08 12:49 AM   #107 
        - they don't give your bed away  buckettgirl   Nov-24-08 06:33 PM   #132 
     - The reason it is this way is because many nursing homes  Horse with no Name   Nov-23-08 03:28 AM   #57 
        - The Frist family business was fine $1.2 BILLION in Medicare/Medicaid fraud.  SharonAnn   Nov-23-08 11:07 AM   #71 
           - That is a rhetorical question isn't it?  Horse with no Name   Nov-23-08 05:52 PM   #77 
  - I am not in the medical profession  ChazII   Nov-22-08 09:10 PM   #19 
  - So what are you going to do if you can't pay?  Cleita   Nov-22-08 09:34 PM   #26 
  - ...until someone loses their job & their insurance. just keep in mind  orleans   Nov-23-08 12:40 AM   #37 
  - Guess what, if your insurance runs out or won't pay, sooner or later the govt WILL be helping...  demodonkey   Nov-23-08 01:14 AM   #44 
  - Really?  EvolveOrConvolve   Nov-23-08 08:44 PM   #91 
  - Jesus, I'm in Canada and my doctor helps me  jeme   Nov-23-08 10:32 PM   #97 
  - For logic's sake, please "just say no" to Raygunisms.  greyhound1966   Nov-24-08 09:24 AM   #118 
  - I'm a nurse, too, and I agree with what you're saying.eom  Indiana_Dem   Nov-22-08 09:19 PM   #20 
  - Tell me something. Why are nurses doing insurance billing?  Cleita   Nov-22-08 09:35 PM   #27 
     - We have to do the right tests and have them documented properly.  Indiana_Dem   Nov-23-08 12:03 AM   #32 
        - So you are objecting to the form.  Cleita   Nov-23-08 12:29 AM   #36 
        - quite right. I am in Canada  jeme   Nov-23-08 10:35 PM   #98 
        - Ugh...that damn ABN form  rainbow4321   Nov-23-08 01:28 AM   #47 
           - Your freakin' kiddng me!? I wish they would tell us these things!  Indiana_Dem   Nov-23-08 09:23 PM   #95 
              - Nope, not kidding....  rainbow4321   Nov-23-08 10:21 PM   #96 
                 - It's because of these things that we need some sort of uniform national health care  Indiana_Dem   Nov-24-08 12:02 AM   #102 
  - Under current single payer proposals, cost control will be done sensibly--  eridani   Nov-23-08 05:20 AM   #60 
  - Having it run by insurance companies is a non-starter.  alarimer   Nov-23-08 09:27 AM   #63 
  - Universal health care DOESN'T mean "run by the government"  Canuckistanian   Nov-23-08 10:01 AM   #67 
  - You don't suppose the last 8 years of gutting our govt agencies has anything to do with it?  Doremus   Nov-23-08 08:48 PM   #92 
  - You'll find these folks have contempt for poor people.  rucky   Nov-22-08 07:49 PM   #7 
  - You're right BUT as a nurse myself and hearing the doctors' views on socialized medicine--  Indiana_Dem   Nov-22-08 09:27 PM   #21 
     - Back at ya. A personal experience.  Cleita   Nov-22-08 09:47 PM   #28 
     - No you shouldn't have waited. Anything that needs stitches needs to be stictched within 3 hours.  Indiana_Dem   Nov-23-08 12:09 AM   #33 
        - maybe if these people could afford to go see a fucking doctor  orleans   Nov-23-08 12:49 AM   #40 
        - You got it.  Cleita   Nov-23-08 12:52 AM   #42 
        - hey, and while we're on the subject  orleans   Nov-23-08 01:17 AM   #45 
           - Oh man they are all over the place. I will put that on my to do list. n/t  Cleita   Nov-23-08 01:25 AM   #46 
              - thanks. let me know if you find anything out. i'm real curious about this  orleans   Nov-23-08 01:31 AM   #50 
        - actually I haven't ever even gone to a doctor for a cold or for cold medicine.  Indiana_Dem   Nov-23-08 12:56 AM   #43 
        - As a nurse don't you tell them the difference between viruses and  Cleita   Nov-23-08 01:29 AM   #49 
           - i do if I have a chance but usually by the time they get to me they have pneumonia!  Indiana_Dem   Nov-23-08 09:13 PM   #94 
        - You're exactly right  Frank Cannon   Nov-23-08 03:18 AM   #53 
        - Not disagreeing...  qwlauren35   Nov-23-08 11:09 AM   #72 
        - Ohhh, but it's so much easier to BLAME poor and sick people, isn't it?  bobbolink   Nov-23-08 12:51 PM   #75 
        - It's 24 hours for stitching  jeme   Nov-23-08 10:43 PM   #99 
           - Oh, I've been taught 3 hours as a rule!  Indiana_Dem   Nov-24-08 12:05 AM   #103 
     - Doctors are afraid they will have to work 5 days a week.  alarimer   Nov-23-08 09:33 AM   #64 
     - You could be right about that. Some are like that. But most work way over 40-50 hours a week.  Indiana_Dem   Nov-23-08 08:34 PM   #87 
     - Maybe doctors that have their own practice play golf on Fridays  Hippo_Tron   Nov-24-08 01:11 AM   #109 
     - If people had good access to primary care they wouldn;t use the ER for colds. NT  mondo joe   Nov-23-08 10:00 AM   #66 
     - No--the Medicare/Medicaid people still come to the ER regardless because it's paid for.  Indiana_Dem   Nov-23-08 08:42 PM   #89 
     - 24 Hour Urgent Care Clinics  sandnsea   Nov-23-08 12:50 PM   #74 
     - Our hospital set up my small rural city's first clinic this year.  Indiana_Dem   Nov-23-08 08:38 PM   #88 
        - Oh bullshit  sandnsea   Nov-23-08 08:43 PM   #90 
           - Maybe I'm not wording it right.  Indiana_Dem   Nov-23-08 09:10 PM   #93 
              - Medicaid physician fee payments are extremely low for primary care docs..  Princess Turandot   Nov-24-08 01:41 AM   #110 
                 - Thanks. You worded the situation a little better.  Indiana_Dem   Nov-24-08 12:33 PM   #120 
     - My local hospital has a split emergency room  Marrah_G   Nov-25-08 07:59 AM   #140 
  - Ignorance. There is no other reason. Just pure ignorance  Warpy   Nov-22-08 07:53 PM   #9 
  - Bill Moyers on Nurses and Universal Health Care Coverage  Miss Chybil   Nov-22-08 08:43 PM   #11 
  - That was a great show. Bill Moyers has always been on top of this issue  Cleita   Nov-22-08 08:47 PM   #12 
  - Health Care?  huachucalady1   Nov-22-08 08:58 PM   #15 
  - Welcome to DU.  Cleita   Nov-22-08 10:32 PM   #31 
  - I don't know.  JerseygirlCT   Nov-22-08 09:01 PM   #16 
  - Because she's already covered.  rug   Nov-22-08 09:03 PM   #17 
  - I can only think of two reasons.  Incitatus   Nov-22-08 09:30 PM   #23 
  - Many people believe that they will have to wait too long for care.  PassingFair   Nov-22-08 09:33 PM   #25 
  - That's part of the astroturf being spread here in the USA about Canada.  Cleita   Nov-22-08 09:50 PM   #29 
  - It seems though I remember a case where a man sued the  JeanGrey   Nov-23-08 06:46 PM   #82 
     - That story has been debunked. More astroturf.  Cleita   Nov-23-08 07:01 PM   #84 
        - Okay I found it. It wasn't debunked.  JeanGrey   Nov-24-08 12:45 AM   #106 
           - Good for you for finding something more recent and pretty  Cleita   Nov-24-08 02:12 AM   #111 
              - Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. What inconsistencies?  JeanGrey   Nov-24-08 07:52 AM   #112 
                 - Again you are buying into the RW meme about fraud.  Cleita   Nov-24-08 08:26 AM   #114 
                    - Look you will go nowhere trying to say there is no fraud in  JeanGrey   Nov-24-08 09:46 AM   #119 
                    - Yes, but I get upset when people propagate insurance company propaganda.  Cleita   Nov-24-08 01:03 PM   #121 
                    - It is CHEATING and it should not be legal. Sorry.  JeanGrey   Nov-24-08 06:00 PM   #125 
                    - While I'm still looking for information for you, I ran across this an  Cleita   Nov-24-08 02:03 PM   #122 
                    - Thank you but I have no problem knowing that the righties  JeanGrey   Nov-24-08 06:02 PM   #126 
                    - More about the plaintiffs in the Canadian lawsuit.  Cleita   Nov-24-08 02:53 PM   #123 
                       - "Unfounded" Unfounded says who? See this is what I am  JeanGrey   Nov-24-08 06:04 PM   #127 
                          - That's a copy of one of the court documents so they didn't believe him.  Cleita   Nov-24-08 06:11 PM   #129 
                             - If you can find out any evidence whatsoever that some  JeanGrey   Nov-24-08 06:14 PM   #130 
                             - What kind of resources do you think I have?  Cleita   Nov-24-08 06:21 PM   #131 
                                - It wasn't debunked. He won the suit. Had it not been true  JeanGrey   Nov-25-08 07:49 AM   #137 
                             - According to the article this was their decision:  JeanGrey   Nov-25-08 07:51 AM   #138 
                    - And I'd also like to mention while we are discussing this that  JeanGrey   Nov-24-08 06:07 PM   #128 
                       - this is Medicare as the Republicans envisioned it  jeme   Nov-24-08 10:06 PM   #136 
                          - Where on earth did you get the idea I "prefer" the American  JeanGrey   Nov-25-08 07:53 AM   #139 
  - Well, heck, there's a wait here, too, sometimes!  Indiana_Dem   Nov-23-08 12:13 AM   #34 
  - Bullshit. I have NO insurance, so if I get something bad I have to wait FOREVER for care unless...  demodonkey   Nov-23-08 01:35 AM   #51 
     - Maybe new DUers need to know about that.  Cleita   Nov-23-08 02:02 AM   #52 
     - I feel for ya man.. No insurance here either  walldude   Nov-23-08 06:35 PM   #81 
  - She must listen to Faux Noise, Rush, and Hannity going on about  MiniMe   Nov-23-08 12:28 AM   #35 
  - because she's an asshole? n/t  orleans   Nov-23-08 12:51 AM   #41 
  - This is the topic that will filter out the nurses who became nurses  Horse with no Name   Nov-23-08 03:20 AM   #54 
  - I went in for both reasons...  Indiana_Dem   Nov-23-08 09:17 AM   #61 
  - Some of us are in it for all three reasons  rainbow4321   Nov-23-08 09:59 AM   #65 
     - Many institutions that I have worked at have had mandatory overtime  Horse with no Name   Nov-23-08 03:00 PM   #76 
     - Thank you for your post, too!  Indiana_Dem   Nov-24-08 12:17 AM   #105 
     - Thank you for this post! Greatly appreciated. eom  Indiana_Dem   Nov-24-08 12:12 AM   #104 
     - Amen sista!!!  BleedingHeartRN   Nov-24-08 03:52 PM   #124 
  - Nurse and asshole are not mutually exclusive.  Edweird   Nov-23-08 04:29 AM   #58 
  - Perhaps she votes her husband's class, rather than her own. Seemed that way w/ 2 nurses on my street  Hekate   Nov-23-08 04:51 AM   #59 
  - The worries are real (in your last paragraph).  Indiana_Dem   Nov-23-08 09:21 AM   #62 
  - She is ideologically Republican  Enthusiast   Nov-23-08 10:13 AM   #70 
  - Then she wants some people to go without health care.  Orsino   Nov-23-08 06:22 PM   #78 
  - Because they are ignorant...  and-justice-for-all   Nov-23-08 06:51 PM   #83 
  - Because she is afraid of it. In fact, it won't change her life much  JDPriestly   Nov-23-08 10:50 PM   #100 
  - i'm guessing she's just tired from doing her job. and the thought of another 40 million ...  CasualWatcher9   Nov-23-08 10:57 PM   #101 
  - Because she's a republican.  LWolf   Nov-24-08 09:10 AM   #116 
  - Because they're greedy, inside the box thinking,  TheKentuckian   Nov-24-08 07:43 PM   #135 

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