grimpeur
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Sun Nov-23-08 02:18 PM
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The city had no business exerting censorship pressure. They seriously overstepped their authority. They should have told the complainers that it would be inappropriate for them to interfere with public messages that don't violate a law.
It is a shame that the sign company acquiesced to such pressure, but no one can force them to display anything.
Where did you ever get the idea that free speech requires everyone's approval?
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| -Press Release: Rancho Cucamonga demands removal of Atheist billboard |
MindPilot |
Nov-22-08 09:22 AM |
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The fundies can go suck it. n/t |
IanDB1 |
Nov-22-08 09:23 AM |
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They could replace it with "Imagine No Free Speech." |
Winebrat |
Nov-22-08 09:23 AM |
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+1 |
me b zola |
Nov-22-08 09:37 AM |
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A very good idea. |
theoldman |
Nov-22-08 09:40 AM |
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Then they need to ban all religious billboards too. |
cobalt1999 |
Nov-22-08 09:25 AM |
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I don't think they can ban religious or non religious billboards. Either way it's a violation |
mondo joe |
Nov-22-08 09:27 AM |
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Imagine no hypocrites |
mnhtnbb |
Nov-22-08 09:29 AM |
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That would reduce the world's population by at least 90%. |
theoldman |
Nov-22-08 09:41 AM |
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Is there a threat in the term "imagine" |
dmordue |
Nov-22-08 09:29 AM |
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How can this sign have been any more irritating to it's opponents than |
snappyturtle |
Nov-22-08 09:32 AM |
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Like that one on US29 southbound outside Greensboro |
RedLetterRev |
Nov-25-08 12:21 PM |
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Imagine no City Leaders! |
Hepburn |
Nov-22-08 09:36 AM |
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Down with all hierarchies ... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-08 11:02 PM |
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Kind of curious to note that residents of the city of Rancho Cucamonga |
MindPilot |
Nov-22-08 09:37 AM |
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i just can't help thinking of |
druidity33 |
Nov-22-08 09:42 AM |
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As president of the Anaheim, Asuza, and Cucamonga Sewing Circle, Book Review and Timing Association |
11 Bravo |
Nov-22-08 10:01 AM |
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okay |
barbtries |
Nov-22-08 10:36 AM |
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I like the billboards that claim to speak for God. |
Hissyspit |
Nov-22-08 10:59 AM |
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Make your opinion heard... |
MindPilot |
Nov-22-08 10:56 AM |
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I sent them a message: |
oktoberain |
Nov-22-08 11:21 AM |
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Got a reply ......... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-25-08 12:01 PM |
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I received the same reply... |
freshwidow |
Nov-25-08 12:50 PM |
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Whoever suggested that they "directed" that the billboard be removed? |
grimpeur |
Nov-25-08 10:17 PM |
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Done PLUS contribution ... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-08 11:11 PM |
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My Only Question Is Why Are They Marketing To Begin With? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-22-08 12:14 PM |
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They are a non-profit who work for the protection of church/state separation |
Paulie |
Nov-22-08 12:29 PM |
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But The Billboard Didn't Have A Message Of 'You Are Not Alone'. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-22-08 12:37 PM |
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Fuck that "benign uplifting message" bullshit |
Ezlivin |
Nov-22-08 12:49 PM |
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Not The Point. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-22-08 01:01 PM |
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The point of the billboard was an exercise in free speech |
Ezlivin |
Nov-22-08 04:00 PM |
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Well, Based On Your Explanation, I'm Glad It Was Removed. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-22-08 07:22 PM |
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Cannot be "legally...overturned"? |
freshwidow |
Nov-22-08 08:34 PM |
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Imagine |
JimboBillyBubbaBob |
Nov-23-08 12:26 AM |
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Funny, that's not what people felt when the Obsession DVD was mailed out. |
Gwendolyn |
Nov-25-08 12:19 PM |
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Are you referring to the post from defendandprotect? |
freshwidow |
Nov-25-08 01:01 PM |
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I was, yes. I made the comment about the Obsession DVD just to throw out the point |
Gwendolyn |
Nov-25-08 01:14 PM |
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Imagine a "pro-religion billboard that's provocative against atheists." |
grimpeur |
Nov-23-08 10:10 PM |
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So you support the removal of 1st Amendment rights when the message bothers you. |
Zhade |
Nov-24-08 01:19 AM |
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This was political intimidation by the town ... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-25-08 12:12 PM |
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So now you are the judge of what is "Needlessly Provocative"? |
walldude |
Nov-22-08 04:09 PM |
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It's My Place To Cast An Opinion On It, Absolutely. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-22-08 07:26 PM |
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>>If a religious group put up a giant billboard stating "imagine no atheists", |
tbyg52 |
Nov-22-08 08:23 PM |
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You really have no clue, do you? |
freshwidow |
Nov-22-08 09:54 PM |
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You may not have needed provoking, but that doesn't mean others didn't |
muriel_volestrangler |
Nov-25-08 05:16 AM |
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The largest "billboard" of provocative hatred is the Bible -- |
defendandprotect |
Nov-25-08 12:20 PM |
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Nope... I see that kind of shit on a daily basis. |
walldude |
Nov-25-08 01:40 PM |
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Ain't that the truth? nt |
tbyg52 |
Nov-26-08 08:16 PM |
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If "Imagine no religion" provokes some people, it's begun to do its job. |
rasputin5 |
Nov-22-08 06:19 PM |
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Sometimes Yes, Sometimes No. In This Case, No. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-22-08 07:26 PM |
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It's useless to debate OMC |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Nov-23-08 10:44 PM |
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Remember "Thank God It Passed!"? |
Zhade |
Nov-24-08 01:21 AM |
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Oh crap, I'd forgotten about that |
EvolveOrConvolve |
Nov-24-08 07:10 PM |
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>>My question was what the intent of the billboard was, other than to be provocative. |
tbyg52 |
Nov-22-08 07:31 PM |
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Always the contrarian, aren't you? |
Canuckistanian |
Nov-22-08 08:59 PM |
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Fuck it |
ZombyWoof |
Nov-23-08 11:25 PM |
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Self Delete |
ProfessorGAC |
Nov-25-08 12:08 PM |
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I often like your Devil's advocacy, but disagree here |
anigbrowl |
Nov-23-08 12:23 AM |
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You are the master of "needlessly provocative" |
ZombyWoof |
Nov-23-08 11:19 PM |
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Sig changed to "needlessly provocative" in your honour...nt |
SidDithers |
Nov-25-08 01:35 PM |
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Actually, I can see how "imagine no religion" WOULD be uplifting |
MH1 |
Nov-22-08 02:35 PM |
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The nice thing about Free Speech... |
app_farmer_rb |
Nov-23-08 10:03 AM |
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I don't know of a clause in the first amendment that limits protected speech to that |
mondo joe |
Nov-23-08 02:12 PM |
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I'll tell you why: Because there is a full scale assault on science and reason by *some* religious |
impeachdubya |
Nov-22-08 06:21 PM |
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You're Talking About Fringes. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-22-08 07:29 PM |
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I have seen that reaction here countless times. |
impeachdubya |
Nov-22-08 08:50 PM |
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I can back you up on that one. |
Zhade |
Nov-24-08 01:22 AM |
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What?? |
JimboBillyBubbaBob |
Nov-23-08 12:32 AM |
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>>atheists don't have beliefs etc and nothing really to market. |
tbyg52 |
Nov-22-08 07:36 PM |
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They are publicizing their organization and website |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-23-08 10:14 AM |
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Provocative is good |
grimpeur |
Nov-23-08 01:58 PM |
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Given the destructive nature of patriarchal religions another way .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-08 11:15 PM |
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Hard to imagine it withstanding a legal challenge |
Truth Teller |
Nov-22-08 12:36 PM |
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What legal challenge? |
grimpeur |
Nov-23-08 02:08 PM |
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An ideal penalty would be PERMANENT placement of the billboard ... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-08 11:17 PM |
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If the group has enough $$$, I can quite easily see this going to the Supremes. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Nov-22-08 04:04 PM |
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Well, they get some of *mine* every year.... ;-> nt |
tbyg52 |
Nov-23-08 09:53 AM |
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Cool! |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Nov-23-08 12:39 PM |
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Beautiful sign... |
Pastiche423 |
Nov-22-08 04:07 PM |
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It certainly is... |
SidDithers |
Nov-25-08 01:35 PM |
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Uh YEAH, what happened to 'Freedom of Speech' and 'Freedom of Religion'??? |
codjh9 |
Nov-22-08 04:13 PM |
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This Has Nothing To Do With Either. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-22-08 07:30 PM |
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Yeah, that's why they call it the "Freedom *from* Religion Foundation" How very Constitutional. nt |
tbyg52 |
Nov-22-08 07:42 PM |
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To the contrary: Freedom from religion is maintained as essential to freedom of religion, and |
mondo joe |
Nov-23-08 10:33 AM |
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You have a right to "NO RELIGION" .... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-08 11:19 PM |
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Ah Yes..... |
PatGund |
Nov-22-08 04:53 PM |
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GRRecommended |
dicksteele |
Nov-22-08 06:11 PM |
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On what grounds was it removed? |
anonymous171 |
Nov-22-08 06:24 PM |
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There Were Many Complaints Filed So The Town Asked The Sign Company If There Was A Way To Remove It. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-22-08 07:31 PM |
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Generally there is a contract involved with such a sign... |
Fumesucker |
Nov-22-08 07:35 PM |
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Yeah, and the citizens of CA (maybe) voted "yes" on Prop 8 as well |
tbyg52 |
Nov-22-08 07:45 PM |
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The city was wrong |
grimpeur |
Nov-23-08 02:18 PM |
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Hey, grimpeur! |
tbyg52 |
Nov-23-08 08:46 PM |
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French for "climber." |
grimpeur |
Nov-23-08 09:44 PM |
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Onward and upward! nt |
tbyg52 |
Nov-23-08 09:51 PM |
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I think I saw that billboard in Seattle. |
quantessd |
Nov-23-08 12:03 AM |
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We need to make strong response to this ... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-08 10:54 PM |
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"Imagine no religion" ... |
defendandprotect |
Nov-23-08 11:00 PM |
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It's shocking how easily threatened these people are. |
Vektor |
Nov-24-08 01:41 AM |
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WKRP had an episode attempting to ban Imagine(the song) |
Tripper11 |
Nov-24-08 01:49 AM |
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They tried that again after 9/11 -- |
defendandprotect |
Nov-25-08 12:26 PM |
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