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Sat Nov-22-08 02:12 PM
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| 87. in trouble? not at all. there's nothing in your posts that could get |
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you in trouble with admin, as far as I can see. You know I don't have a problem with centrist dems. I think I can honestly state that I'm in a minority here as far as that goes.
I have a problem with your callous attitude toward the poor, and your stubborn refusal to look at the facts about poverty.
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| -My vision of an American left |
realpolitik |
Nov-21-08 08:51 PM |
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Ultimate |
Profprileasn |
Nov-21-08 09:20 PM |
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Not bad, pretty good actually |
BeFree |
Nov-21-08 09:22 PM |
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Capitalism is the only proven method of economics that works |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-21-08 09:33 PM |
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Name ten actual capitalist governments |
realpolitik |
Nov-21-08 09:47 PM |
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Not sure where you get this from: |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-21-08 09:57 PM |
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No, I can't name a government I would call completely socialist |
realpolitik |
Nov-21-08 10:16 PM |
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The points you made earlier Re. Capitalism |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:07 AM |
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Right-Wing Myths |
sfnative |
Nov-22-08 01:34 PM |
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I myself think that CEO's should have their salaries capped |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 02:24 PM |
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In our economy, the lay ones are the paper pushers at the top. |
girl gone mad |
Nov-22-08 04:56 PM |
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The Middle Class need |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 09:24 PM |
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You are clueless about Socialism. |
cali |
Nov-22-08 11:34 AM |
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Socialism is a watered-down version of Communism |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 11:39 AM |
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oooh - commies! |
Terry in Austin |
Nov-22-08 12:03 PM |
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Yeah I know, they're EVERYWHERE! |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:08 PM |
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Gee, maybe they're onto something, then |
Terry in Austin |
Nov-22-08 12:33 PM |
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Glen Fiddich |
realpolitik |
Nov-22-08 03:53 PM |
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You can't be stupid enough to believe that. |
Zhade |
Nov-23-08 12:02 AM |
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I honestly disagree |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-25-08 04:41 PM |
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Who is clueless? |
blindpig |
Nov-25-08 04:50 PM |
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We need to find a middle way |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-21-08 10:04 PM |
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Re establishment of trade tariffs would be my preferred way |
realpolitik |
Nov-21-08 10:18 PM |
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I'm against trade tariffs, but I agree that the military budget is obscene |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:18 AM |
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I am not convinced we need 400 ships online |
realpolitik |
Nov-22-08 11:12 AM |
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We are agreed on Saudi Arabia and Iraq |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 11:45 AM |
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The Saud Royalty turned |
realpolitik |
Nov-22-08 04:26 PM |
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Well then |
BeFree |
Nov-21-08 10:04 PM |
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I don't call giving the Middle Classes tax cuts and affordable childcare and affordable healthcare |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:20 AM |
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works? ha ha ha ha! |
leftofthedial |
Nov-22-08 11:47 AM |
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Ah, the Capitalist Catechism |
Terry in Austin |
Nov-22-08 11:50 AM |
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Social Capitalism, maybe. Try Sweden - beats our ass at economic growth and prosperity. |
Zhade |
Nov-23-08 12:02 AM |
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not without Gay rights |
mitchtv |
Nov-21-08 09:23 PM |
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I would like to reframe the prop eight issue |
realpolitik |
Nov-21-08 09:30 PM |
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Maybe I am old and stupid |
mitchtv |
Nov-21-08 09:46 PM |
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Maybe you are currently disinclined to see yourself as part of the whole. |
realpolitik |
Nov-21-08 09:54 PM |
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Gay people should be given 100% the same rights as non-Gay people |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-21-08 09:35 PM |
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Actually |
BeFree |
Nov-21-08 10:11 PM |
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I don't know why you seem so anti-success |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:23 AM |
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Not in my old field. |
realpolitik |
Nov-22-08 11:30 AM |
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For every entrepreneur who goes from rags to riches with something he |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-22-08 12:07 PM |
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You might like this letter from a hedge fund manager. |
girl gone mad |
Nov-22-08 05:14 PM |
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most of the people that can do that don't come from poor backgrounds |
cali |
Nov-22-08 11:37 AM |
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I went to elite private schools as well |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 11:41 AM |
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Yes, indeedy why can't those ingrate poor people just pull themselves |
cali |
Nov-22-08 11:48 AM |
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Nobody at my elite private schools were on scholarships |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:05 PM |
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let me point out a couple of things: |
cali |
Nov-22-08 12:14 PM |
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Maybe there were |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:29 PM |
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no, many cannot choose to just break out of the pattern. |
cali |
Nov-22-08 12:38 PM |
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"For instance, poor nutrition has a known impact on brain development" |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:48 PM |
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Lots of rich people drink too. |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-25-08 04:53 PM |
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You really have no clue, do you? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-22-08 12:14 PM |
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"Or they had no one to teach them how to succeed" |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:33 PM |
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you know jackshit about brain development. |
cali |
Nov-22-08 12:40 PM |
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You don't need to get bad-mannered, I've been perfectly polite toward you n/t |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:43 PM |
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I apologize. But you really appear to know nothing |
cali |
Nov-22-08 12:45 PM |
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Apology accepted |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:53 PM |
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Those are the rare, rare exceptions, not the rule. |
cali |
Nov-22-08 12:56 PM |
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I'm not ignorant, it's just that you and I have a DIFFERENT take on this issue |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 01:00 PM |
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I'm sorry, but it is ignorant not to grasp the profound effects |
cali |
Nov-22-08 01:03 PM |
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The effects of poverty on the development of the brain |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 01:10 PM |
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oh for pity's sake |
cali |
Nov-22-08 01:32 PM |
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*Scratches head" |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 01:44 PM |
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Some people are not only clueless, they're fucking heartless too. |
Zhade |
Nov-23-08 12:11 AM |
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You are ignorant of the fact that poor children who can't EAT have less brain development. |
Zhade |
Nov-23-08 12:08 AM |
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Actually, those of us who were born middle or upper class WERE taught |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-22-08 12:46 PM |
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"Similarly, many poor people have unconsciously absorbed ways NOT to succeed" |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:58 PM |
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and that will take a huge investment and committment |
cali |
Nov-22-08 01:02 PM |
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Or rather than raise taxes, one could cut |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 01:16 PM |
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Yeah, right, ANYTHING but raise taxes on the super-rich |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-22-08 04:39 PM |
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If you read my post # 17, you'll see that I already said that the defense budget needs cutting |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 09:30 PM |
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What a slimy post |
JetCityLiberal |
Nov-22-08 01:27 PM |
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it is rather distressing to see this kind of stuff on du |
cali |
Nov-22-08 01:35 PM |
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I am pretty sick of it cali |
JetCityLiberal |
Nov-22-08 01:38 PM |
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Not as distressing and as slimy as the anti-gay posts that popped up all around the place n/t |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 01:46 PM |
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ignorance, hate and closed minds are distressing on any subject |
cali |
Nov-22-08 01:49 PM |
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I don't think it's me that's displaying the hate here, I am seeing rather a |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 01:56 PM |
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Yes it is just as slimy |
JetCityLiberal |
Nov-22-08 01:50 PM |
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So this is really all about what? Hating and envying the wealthy |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 01:50 PM |
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You are clueless |
JetCityLiberal |
Nov-22-08 01:53 PM |
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Your solution to the poverty problem is what then? |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 01:59 PM |
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Higher taxes on the wealthy like your Dad |
JetCityLiberal |
Nov-22-08 02:01 PM |
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your true colors are really shining through |
cali |
Nov-22-08 02:01 PM |
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Are you and JetCityLiberal trying to get me into trouble or something? |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 02:09 PM |
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in trouble? not at all. there's nothing in your posts that could get |
cali |
Nov-22-08 02:12 PM |
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"You know I don't have a problem with centrist dems" |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 02:16 PM |
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You don't need any help getting into trouble |
JetCityLiberal |
Nov-22-08 02:19 PM |
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Why are you wishing me good luck? |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 02:26 PM |
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You're right. They can't be bothered. |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Nov-22-08 05:03 PM |
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You epitomize the phrase, "I got mine, fuck you". |
Zhade |
Nov-23-08 12:12 AM |
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Unbelievable |
blindpig |
Nov-25-08 04:53 PM |
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Spoken like a true DLCer |
lynyrd_skynyrd |
Nov-22-08 04:58 PM |
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Who does want to 'remain in poverty all their lives'? |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-25-08 04:48 PM |
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Um, all of those things cost money. And they're POOR. |
Zhade |
Nov-23-08 12:09 AM |
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"Success" ultimately comes at the expense of others |
Terry in Austin |
Nov-22-08 11:55 AM |
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I simply don't agree that |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:08 PM |
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Of course you don't |
Terry in Austin |
Nov-22-08 12:24 PM |
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What we need to do is |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:40 PM |
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My dad disagreed with you |
cali |
Nov-22-08 12:47 PM |
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Your Dad has a right to disagree |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 01:20 PM |
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I am RealP and I endorse this message. |
realpolitik |
Nov-22-08 06:00 PM |
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What we WILL do is |
Terry in Austin |
Nov-22-08 01:48 PM |
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That's because you refuse to entertain the possibility you could be wrong. |
Zhade |
Nov-23-08 12:14 AM |
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I do not subscribe to a zero sum economic world |
realpolitik |
Nov-22-08 04:07 PM |
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Ah, but does it subscribe to you? |
Terry in Austin |
Nov-22-08 04:39 PM |
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Now you've lost me completely |
comrade snarky |
Nov-22-08 01:41 PM |
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I think that's debatable. |
girl gone mad |
Nov-22-08 05:03 PM |
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh man, what color is the sky in your world? |
Zhade |
Nov-23-08 12:06 AM |
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works for me. |
leftofthedial |
Nov-22-08 11:50 AM |
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What would a "conversion to a collectivist economic organization" be? n/t |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 12:11 PM |
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good question |
leftofthedial |
Nov-22-08 02:42 PM |
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So the answer is what? n/t |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 02:49 PM |
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Right on, realpolitik |
Terry in Austin |
Nov-22-08 11:59 AM |
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Or in some future time, if high-order life survives on Earth, some anthro will say |
bean fidhleir |
Nov-22-08 12:24 PM |
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For real |
leftstreet |
Nov-22-08 01:52 PM |
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That's pretty good. |
LWolf |
Nov-22-08 12:05 PM |
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I think that the actual majory is already left of center |
realpolitik |
Nov-22-08 04:53 PM |
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We can step away. I hope it happens. |
LWolf |
Nov-23-08 09:01 AM |
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I also think people are farther left than the DLC wants, only they don't |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-23-08 09:16 AM |
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Looks great! Obama has broken my heart and killed all hope |
upi402 |
Nov-22-08 12:15 PM |
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Perspective |
Terry in Austin |
Nov-22-08 01:09 PM |
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Don't we already have public education to 18? |
liberalpragmatist |
Nov-22-08 12:54 PM |
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Grade 16, not age 16. |
Zhade |
Nov-23-08 12:16 AM |
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Sounds good to me. |
Edweird |
Nov-22-08 01:09 PM |
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I'm sorry that I've unintentionally upset some people in this thread |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 02:58 PM |
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Fair enough |
Terry in Austin |
Nov-22-08 06:14 PM |
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I think we agree that poverty is a distressing problem |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 09:18 PM |
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Agree |
Profprileasn |
Nov-22-08 09:52 PM |
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Exactly |
...of J.Temperance |
Nov-22-08 10:17 PM |
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You're kidding, right? |
Terry in Austin |
Nov-24-08 12:39 PM |
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I don't expect your politics will let you understand this, but your thesis |
bean fidhleir |
Nov-24-08 01:31 PM |
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I think we need to appeal to left/social libertarians. Marriage = for GLBT, end to the drug war |
impeachdubya |
Nov-25-08 04:43 PM |
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Realpolitik a class liberal |
TooCoolHuh |
Nov-25-08 05:01 PM |
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