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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:48 PM
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76. What we WILL do is
Exactly what the people running the show say we will do. They are "the wealthier in society," and they will allow nothing that may threaten their power and privilege. Count on it.

No, you don't go after them, because you don't have the power to do it. They're the ones who set the policy, and it sure isn't going to involve scorching any of their earth!

Now, if we're hypothesizing about what would make a better world, here's a very modest proposal: we take a step or two up the evolutionary scale from this Darwinian alpha-ape-takes-all jungle, and go on to something fair and actually civilized.

Here's fair: make wealth an accurate measure of the amount of productive labor an individual performs. Then, if one guy is three times richer than the next, it is because he is three times more productive, three times more talented, three times more skilled, three times better.

This would naturally bring wealth disparity within a fairly narrow range. I seriously doubt that any human being is, say, ten times better than any other, by any measure you care to mention. And certainly not four hundred times, which is the current range.

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  -My vision of an American left realpolitik  Nov-21-08 08:51 PM   #0 
  - Ultimate  Profprileasn   Nov-21-08 09:20 PM   #1 
  - Not bad, pretty good actually  BeFree   Nov-21-08 09:22 PM   #2 
  - Capitalism is the only proven method of economics that works  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-21-08 09:33 PM   #5 
     - Name ten actual capitalist governments  realpolitik   Nov-21-08 09:47 PM   #8 
     - Not sure where you get this from:  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-21-08 09:57 PM   #10 
     - No, I can't name a government I would call completely socialist  realpolitik   Nov-21-08 10:16 PM   #14 
     - The points you made earlier Re. Capitalism  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:07 AM   #16 
        - Right-Wing Myths  sfnative   Nov-22-08 01:34 PM   #70 
        - I myself think that CEO's should have their salaries capped  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 02:24 PM   #90 
        - In our economy, the lay ones are the paper pushers at the top.  girl gone mad   Nov-22-08 04:56 PM   #101 
           - The Middle Class need  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 09:24 PM   #109 
     - You are clueless about Socialism.  cali   Nov-22-08 11:34 AM   #22 
        - Socialism is a watered-down version of Communism  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 11:39 AM   #24 
        - oooh - commies!  Terry in Austin   Nov-22-08 12:03 PM   #33 
        - Yeah I know, they're EVERYWHERE!  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:08 PM   #38 
           - Gee, maybe they're onto something, then  Terry in Austin   Nov-22-08 12:33 PM   #46 
        - Glen Fiddich  realpolitik   Nov-22-08 03:53 PM   #95 
        - You can't be stupid enough to believe that.  Zhade   Nov-23-08 12:02 AM   #114 
        - I honestly disagree  LeftishBrit   Nov-25-08 04:41 PM   #126 
        - Who is clueless?  blindpig   Nov-25-08 04:50 PM   #129 
     - We need to find a middle way  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-21-08 10:04 PM   #12 
        - Re establishment of trade tariffs would be my preferred way  realpolitik   Nov-21-08 10:18 PM   #15 
           - I'm against trade tariffs, but I agree that the military budget is obscene  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:18 AM   #17 
              - I am not convinced we need 400 ships online  realpolitik   Nov-22-08 11:12 AM   #20 
                 - We are agreed on Saudi Arabia and Iraq  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 11:45 AM   #26 
                    - The Saud Royalty turned  realpolitik   Nov-22-08 04:26 PM   #97 
     - Well then  BeFree   Nov-21-08 10:04 PM   #11 
     - I don't call giving the Middle Classes tax cuts and affordable childcare and affordable healthcare  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:20 AM   #18 
     - works? ha ha ha ha!  leftofthedial   Nov-22-08 11:47 AM   #27 
     - Ah, the Capitalist Catechism  Terry in Austin   Nov-22-08 11:50 AM   #29 
     - Social Capitalism, maybe. Try Sweden - beats our ass at economic growth and prosperity.  Zhade   Nov-23-08 12:02 AM   #113 
  - not without Gay rights  mitchtv   Nov-21-08 09:23 PM   #3 
  - I would like to reframe the prop eight issue  realpolitik   Nov-21-08 09:30 PM   #4 
  - Maybe I am old and stupid  mitchtv   Nov-21-08 09:46 PM   #7 
     - Maybe you are currently disinclined to see yourself as part of the whole.  realpolitik   Nov-21-08 09:54 PM   #9 
  - Gay people should be given 100% the same rights as non-Gay people  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-21-08 09:35 PM   #6 
     - Actually  BeFree   Nov-21-08 10:11 PM   #13 
        - I don't know why you seem so anti-success  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:23 AM   #19 
           - Not in my old field.  realpolitik   Nov-22-08 11:30 AM   #21 
           - For every entrepreneur who goes from rags to riches with something he  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-22-08 12:07 PM   #36 
              - You might like this letter from a hedge fund manager.  girl gone mad   Nov-22-08 05:14 PM   #105 
           - most of the people that can do that don't come from poor backgrounds  cali   Nov-22-08 11:37 AM   #23 
           - I went to elite private schools as well  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 11:41 AM   #25 
              - Yes, indeedy why can't those ingrate poor people just pull themselves  cali   Nov-22-08 11:48 AM   #28 
              - Nobody at my elite private schools were on scholarships  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:05 PM   #34 
                 - let me point out a couple of things:  cali   Nov-22-08 12:14 PM   #40 
                 - Maybe there were  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:29 PM   #45 
                    - no, many cannot choose to just break out of the pattern.  cali   Nov-22-08 12:38 PM   #48 
                       - "For instance, poor nutrition has a known impact on brain development"  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:48 PM   #55 
                          - Lots of rich people drink too.  LeftishBrit   Nov-25-08 04:53 PM   #130 
                 - You really have no clue, do you?  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-22-08 12:14 PM   #41 
                 - "Or they had no one to teach them how to succeed"  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:33 PM   #47 
                    - you know jackshit about brain development.  cali   Nov-22-08 12:40 PM   #49 
                    - You don't need to get bad-mannered, I've been perfectly polite toward you n/t  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:43 PM   #51 
                       - I apologize. But you really appear to know nothing  cali   Nov-22-08 12:45 PM   #52 
                          - Apology accepted  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:53 PM   #56 
                             - Those are the rare, rare exceptions, not the rule.  cali   Nov-22-08 12:56 PM   #58 
                                - I'm not ignorant, it's just that you and I have a DIFFERENT take on this issue  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 01:00 PM   #60 
                                   - I'm sorry, but it is ignorant not to grasp the profound effects  cali   Nov-22-08 01:03 PM   #62 
                                   - The effects of poverty on the development of the brain  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 01:10 PM   #65 
                                      - oh for pity's sake  cali   Nov-22-08 01:32 PM   #69 
                                      - *Scratches head"  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 01:44 PM   #74 
                                      - Some people are not only clueless, they're fucking heartless too.  Zhade   Nov-23-08 12:11 AM   #118 
                                   - You are ignorant of the fact that poor children who can't EAT have less brain development.  Zhade   Nov-23-08 12:08 AM   #116 
                    - Actually, those of us who were born middle or upper class WERE taught  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-22-08 12:46 PM   #53 
                       - "Similarly, many poor people have unconsciously absorbed ways NOT to succeed"  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:58 PM   #59 
                          - and that will take a huge investment and committment  cali   Nov-22-08 01:02 PM   #61 
                             - Or rather than raise taxes, one could cut  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 01:16 PM   #66 
                                - Yeah, right, ANYTHING but raise taxes on the super-rich  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-22-08 04:39 PM   #98 
                                   - If you read my post # 17, you'll see that I already said that the defense budget needs cutting  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 09:30 PM   #110 
                 - What a slimy post  JetCityLiberal   Nov-22-08 01:27 PM   #68 
                 - it is rather distressing to see this kind of stuff on du  cali   Nov-22-08 01:35 PM   #71 
                 - I am pretty sick of it cali  JetCityLiberal   Nov-22-08 01:38 PM   #72 
                 - Not as distressing and as slimy as the anti-gay posts that popped up all around the place n/t  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 01:46 PM   #75 
                    - ignorance, hate and closed minds are distressing on any subject  cali   Nov-22-08 01:49 PM   #77 
                    - I don't think it's me that's displaying the hate here, I am seeing rather a  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 01:56 PM   #82 
                    - Yes it is just as slimy  JetCityLiberal   Nov-22-08 01:50 PM   #79 
                 - So this is really all about what? Hating and envying the wealthy  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 01:50 PM   #78 
                    - You are clueless  JetCityLiberal   Nov-22-08 01:53 PM   #81 
                    - Your solution to the poverty problem is what then?  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 01:59 PM   #83 
                       - Higher taxes on the wealthy like your Dad  JetCityLiberal   Nov-22-08 02:01 PM   #84 
                    - your true colors are really shining through  cali   Nov-22-08 02:01 PM   #85 
                    - Are you and JetCityLiberal trying to get me into trouble or something?  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 02:09 PM   #86 
                       - in trouble? not at all. there's nothing in your posts that could get  cali   Nov-22-08 02:12 PM   #87 
                       - "You know I don't have a problem with centrist dems"  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 02:16 PM   #88 
                       - You don't need any help getting into trouble  JetCityLiberal   Nov-22-08 02:19 PM   #89 
                          - Why are you wishing me good luck?  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 02:26 PM   #91 
                    - You're right. They can't be bothered.  lynyrd_skynyrd   Nov-22-08 05:03 PM   #103 
                    - You epitomize the phrase, "I got mine, fuck you".  Zhade   Nov-23-08 12:12 AM   #119 
                    - Unbelievable  blindpig   Nov-25-08 04:53 PM   #131 
                 - Spoken like a true DLCer  lynyrd_skynyrd   Nov-22-08 04:58 PM   #102 
                 - Who does want to 'remain in poverty all their lives'?  LeftishBrit   Nov-25-08 04:48 PM   #128 
              - Um, all of those things cost money. And they're POOR.  Zhade   Nov-23-08 12:09 AM   #117 
           - "Success" ultimately comes at the expense of others  Terry in Austin   Nov-22-08 11:55 AM   #31 
           - I simply don't agree that  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:08 PM   #37 
           - Of course you don't  Terry in Austin   Nov-22-08 12:24 PM   #43 
           - What we need to do is  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:40 PM   #50 
              - My dad disagreed with you  cali   Nov-22-08 12:47 PM   #54 
              - Your Dad has a right to disagree  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 01:20 PM   #67 
                 - I am RealP and I endorse this message.  realpolitik   Nov-22-08 06:00 PM   #106 
              - What we WILL do is  Terry in Austin   Nov-22-08 01:48 PM   #76 
           - That's because you refuse to entertain the possibility you could be wrong.  Zhade   Nov-23-08 12:14 AM   #120 
           - I do not subscribe to a zero sum economic world  realpolitik   Nov-22-08 04:07 PM   #96 
              - Ah, but does it subscribe to you?  Terry in Austin   Nov-22-08 04:39 PM   #99 
           - Now you've lost me completely  comrade snarky   Nov-22-08 01:41 PM   #73 
           - I think that's debatable.  girl gone mad   Nov-22-08 05:03 PM   #104 
           - HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh man, what color is the sky in your world?  Zhade   Nov-23-08 12:06 AM   #115 
  - works for me.  leftofthedial   Nov-22-08 11:50 AM   #30 
  - What would a "conversion to a collectivist economic organization" be? n/t  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 12:11 PM   #39 
     - good question  leftofthedial   Nov-22-08 02:42 PM   #92 
        - So the answer is what? n/t  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 02:49 PM   #93 
  - Right on, realpolitik  Terry in Austin   Nov-22-08 11:59 AM   #32 
  - Or in some future time, if high-order life survives on Earth, some anthro will say  bean fidhleir   Nov-22-08 12:24 PM   #44 
     - For real  leftstreet   Nov-22-08 01:52 PM   #80 
  - That's pretty good.  LWolf   Nov-22-08 12:05 PM   #35 
  - I think that the actual majory is already left of center  realpolitik   Nov-22-08 04:53 PM   #100 
     - We can step away. I hope it happens.  LWolf   Nov-23-08 09:01 AM   #122 
     - I also think people are farther left than the DLC wants, only they don't  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-23-08 09:16 AM   #123 
  - Looks great! Obama has broken my heart and killed all hope  upi402   Nov-22-08 12:15 PM   #42 
  - Perspective  Terry in Austin   Nov-22-08 01:09 PM   #63 
  - Don't we already have public education to 18?  liberalpragmatist   Nov-22-08 12:54 PM   #57 
  - Grade 16, not age 16.  Zhade   Nov-23-08 12:16 AM   #121 
  - Sounds good to me.  Edweird   Nov-22-08 01:09 PM   #64 
  - I'm sorry that I've unintentionally upset some people in this thread  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 02:58 PM   #94 
  - Fair enough  Terry in Austin   Nov-22-08 06:14 PM   #107 
     - I think we agree that poverty is a distressing problem  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 09:18 PM   #108 
        - Agree  Profprileasn   Nov-22-08 09:52 PM   #111 
        - Exactly  ...of J.Temperance   Nov-22-08 10:17 PM   #112 
           - You're kidding, right?  Terry in Austin   Nov-24-08 12:39 PM   #124 
        - I don't expect your politics will let you understand this, but your thesis  bean fidhleir   Nov-24-08 01:31 PM   #125 
  - I think we need to appeal to left/social libertarians. Marriage = for GLBT, end to the drug war  impeachdubya   Nov-25-08 04:43 PM   #127 
  - Realpolitik a class liberal  TooCoolHuh   Nov-25-08 05:01 PM   #132 

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