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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-08 08:02 AM
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46. But by saying that you are asking for people wages to go down.
You are saying " damn them for earning a living wage, I know people that would do it for half that so I don't think we should save them"

This is what the corporations LOVE to hear. They want people to think like that. They want people to accept less and less so they may receive more and more.
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  -GM workers make $73 an hour? Here's the rebuttal to that one. sinkingfeeling  Nov-20-08 02:59 PM   #0 
  - People need to be more objective and find out facts  halo experiment   Nov-20-08 03:02 PM   #1 
  - So the media and the repuke shills are trying to make union busting more palatable by  BrklynLiberal   Nov-20-08 03:03 PM   #2 
  - Whats to rebut? What is the problem?  pending   Nov-20-08 03:06 PM   #3 
  - Self-delete  bertman   Nov-20-08 11:26 PM   #23 
  - That number is probably the fully-burdened BUDGET NUMBER  bean fidhleir   Nov-21-08 09:14 AM   #59 
     - I missed the theard yesterday.  Hangingon   Nov-21-08 11:23 AM   #69 
     - But thats how you compare apples to apples  pending   Nov-21-08 11:27 AM   #70 
  - Thank you DU for the info. A Dem gave me that $70 figure yesterday.  Democrats_win   Nov-20-08 03:10 PM   #4 
  - I'm sure there's overtime, too. They're allowed to make decent money. It's not a crime.  soothsayer   Nov-20-08 03:15 PM   #5 
  - so basically the really high exec salaries are skewing the mean? anyone know the median wage? nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Nov-20-08 03:15 PM   #6 
  - Generally speaking, salaried employee pay is not used when averaging hourly workers' pay.  bertman   Nov-20-08 11:28 PM   #24 
  - I believe the biggest problem is senior mgmt. They demand  napi21   Nov-20-08 03:18 PM   #7 
  - A Lot of Chinese Executives Have Gotten Extremely Rich  ribofunk   Nov-21-08 11:52 AM   #74 
  - Here's a couple other items for clarification.  sinkingfeeling   Nov-20-08 03:18 PM   #8 
  - That figure has been pretty eye opening for me personally.  ContinentalOp   Nov-20-08 03:25 PM   #9 
  - That number also undoubtedly includes the bloated compensation of the executives.  TahitiNut   Nov-20-08 03:26 PM   #10 
  - New hires are hiring in between 13 - 15 dollars an hour  peacetrain   Nov-20-08 03:34 PM   #11 
  - what new hires?  Redstate Red Herring   Nov-20-08 03:43 PM   #12 
     - we must have posted simultaneously..  peacetrain   Nov-20-08 03:46 PM   #13 
     - they hired 1000 at $14/hr. then laid most of them off.  Hannah Bell   Nov-21-08 12:15 AM   #27 
  - it means something though  hfojvt   Nov-20-08 03:46 PM   #14 
  - New workers do not get defined pension plans.. it is 401-ks  peacetrain   Nov-20-08 03:49 PM   #15 
  - some additional infor on that pension funding for the auto workers  peacetrain   Nov-20-08 03:56 PM   #16 
  - He's using a figure that is suppossed to be a direct cost but includes an indirect cost  JohnWxy   Nov-20-08 04:37 PM   #17 
  - Yes, a more accurate description would be "total compensation, including benefits" is $73/hour.  bertman   Nov-20-08 11:34 PM   #25 
  - I want to know what the median wage is, not the mean age. (nt)  w4rma   Nov-20-08 04:39 PM   #18 
  - It's not a wage. It's a cost to employ. MUCH DIFFERENT.  Festivito   Nov-21-08 06:47 PM   #86 
  - The Unions in the Country gave birth to the Middle Class - without them it is class warfare!  1776Forever   Nov-20-08 05:14 PM   #19 
  - A more accurate statment might be "The Unions in the Country EXPANDED the Middle Class".  bertman   Nov-20-08 11:38 PM   #26 
     - It was mighty small. n/t  whathehell   Nov-21-08 01:38 PM   #83 
  - They are paying that much in benefits  gravity   Nov-20-08 05:21 PM   #20 
  - Y'know the GM CEO's got about 15.7 million in 07, about $1800/hr ...  struggle4progress   Nov-20-08 05:33 PM   #21 
  - You beat me to it!  OHDEM   Nov-20-08 08:22 PM   #22 
  - And that's nothing to the legions of $500/hour attorneys.  Waiting For Everyman   Nov-21-08 12:28 AM   #28 
  - My rebuttal: SHUT YOUR FILTHY WHORE MOUTH, FREEPER, BEFORE I MAKE YOU BURP YOUR OWN TEETH!  Evoman   Nov-21-08 12:40 AM   #29 
  - I'll bet you they included salary wages to come up with that number!  B Calm   Nov-21-08 05:56 AM   #30 
  - So they "only" make $28 an hour? That stills seems awfully high for assembly work  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 06:16 AM   #31 
  - Ah, see there is more NONSENSE  spyrogyra   Nov-21-08 06:53 AM   #34 
  - Workers doing the same type of production work make only a fraction of what UAW members makes  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 07:24 AM   #36 
  - Well, why don't those other workers doing the same type of work form a union?  sinkingfeeling   Nov-21-08 08:14 AM   #47 
     - Most Americans aren't in unions and don't want to be in a union.  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 08:25 AM   #50 
        - ..........  Marrah_G   Nov-21-08 08:32 AM   #54 
        - Then stop being jealous about union wages and benefits. Unions built this country. And since the  sinkingfeeling   Nov-21-08 09:52 AM   #61 
        - If being in a union meant that my employer had to ask for a $25 billion handout  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 10:28 AM   #62 
           - And if you worked for a bank or financial institution would you be as ashamed that your employer  sinkingfeeling   Nov-21-08 10:43 AM   #63 
           - Yes I would. I hate the fact that the banks were bailed out.  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 11:02 AM   #67 
              - Yes, but a different and unfair standard is being applied to the Auto Industry  whathehell   Nov-21-08 01:46 PM   #84 
           - And if it was the unions fault domestic car companies can't make money, maybe you'd have a point  NoGOPZone   Nov-21-08 11:55 AM   #75 
              - Toyota and Honda seem to be doing well enough. At least they haven't asked for a bailout.  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 12:11 PM   #76 
              - Toyota and Honda are domestic companies?  NoGOPZone   Nov-21-08 12:23 PM   #77 
              - Yes. Thy both build vehicles in the United States for American customers  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 12:28 PM   #78 
                 - More Disingenuousness. OK, let's go by your standards. How  NoGOPZone   Nov-21-08 12:39 PM   #79 
                    - Because other auto companies make vehicles that people want  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 01:01 PM   #80 
                       - On that we can concur, because it speaks to the REAL problem with the industry  NoGOPZone   Nov-21-08 01:09 PM   #81 
                          - If Detroit was making "cars" and not trucks and/or SUV's, they wouldn't be in trouble right now.  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 01:11 PM   #82 
        - Prove it. Because I think you made that up.  EstimatedProphet   Nov-21-08 10:49 AM   #65 
           - When did I say I thought the free market was wonderful?  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 11:05 AM   #68 
              - You shouldn't have to pay for it  EstimatedProphet   Nov-21-08 11:41 AM   #71 
  - Yep and then the tech at the dealership gets paid half that  MindPilot   Nov-21-08 08:36 AM   #56 
  - And a neurosurgeon must poke inside people's brains, and air-  usnret88   Nov-21-08 01:52 PM   #85 
  - 28.00 an hour is not "awfully high"  Marrah_G   Nov-21-08 07:16 AM   #35 
  - Relatively speaking it's high in that nobody else in this country doing similar work  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 07:26 AM   #37 
  - So shouldn't we be pushing to raise the wages and benefits of those workers,  Marrah_G   Nov-21-08 07:32 AM   #38 
  - I'm not faulting anyone for getting $28 an hour for working an assembly line, but  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 07:43 AM   #40 
     - lack of help will end up with a busted union and those wages dropping to a barely living wage.  Marrah_G   Nov-21-08 07:59 AM   #45 
        - $28 an hour is a lot more than a living wage, especially in Michigan  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 08:23 AM   #49 
           - No- it really isn't  Marrah_G   Nov-21-08 08:31 AM   #52 
              - Or, it means I just have a different point of view than you.  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 08:39 AM   #57 
  - Oh bullshit!  EstimatedProphet   Nov-21-08 10:46 AM   #64 
     - No, what I believe to be "unfair" is requiring people who make far less  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 11:00 AM   #66 
        - Workers didn't cause this bailout!  EstimatedProphet   Nov-21-08 11:45 AM   #72 
  - You nailed it. With extreme prejudice.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Nov-21-08 07:49 AM   #42 
  - You said it, Marrah!  Enthusiast   Nov-21-08 09:25 AM   #60 
  - I have great difficulty believing US$ 53,000 a year for ANY full time job  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Nov-21-08 07:41 AM   #39 
     - Show me one other assembly line job that pays even half of that  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 07:45 AM   #41 
        - You ARE aware you're just confirming Marrah_G's point over and over, aren't you? -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Nov-21-08 07:50 AM   #43 
           - I'm not asking for anyone's wages to go down. I just don't think the federal government  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 07:53 AM   #44 
              - But by saying that you are asking for people wages to go down.  Marrah_G   Nov-21-08 08:02 AM   #46 
                 - No I'm not. I'm not the one asking for anything.  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 08:21 AM   #48 
                    - sigh  Marrah_G   Nov-21-08 08:28 AM   #51 
                       - Sorry that I don't agree with your point of view. I've never been in a union  Bentcorner   Nov-21-08 08:33 AM   #55 
                          - See- you have a great job- Everyone should have such a good job!  Marrah_G   Nov-21-08 08:50 AM   #58 
  - K&R n/t  cabbage08   Nov-21-08 06:19 AM   #32 
  - Plus, they're double-counting what they should already have paid into in the pension fund.  rucky   Nov-21-08 06:23 AM   #33 
  - K&R. Dig into a talking point, and more times than not - you find a lie.  20score   Nov-21-08 08:32 AM   #53 
  - What part of that figure makes it to the bottom line on the sticker?  cherokeeprogressive   Nov-21-08 11:46 AM   #73 
 

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