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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-08 10:31 PM
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37. I know it seems wierd but honestly, I think there are some who are born sociopathic.
My neighbors are some of the nicest, kindest folks on the face of the planet. They raised 6 children (all of them extremely successful, lovely human beings: doctors, small business owners, a music teacher, and an artist) before they decided to adopt a child. Their boy is from the Soviet Union and as gawd is my witness, this boy is disturbed. He hurts people, deliberately. And it's escalated. He's 10 years old now and they're dealing with his latest episode of trying to strangle one of their grandchildren at a family birthday party. He's a sociopath with absolutely no conscience. It's disturbing the way he looks at a person, at the way he sizes them up. I am unnerved as a 40 plus year old woman with LOTS of experience with kids - my own and others.

They came to my house the other day and wept as they related the birthday party incident. They are considering giving him up for the safety of the rest of their family, he is that disturbed. He's been in counseling for the past 3 years (since his first episode in kindergarten when he killed the class baby chick) and the counselor fully agrees that it's time to institutionalize this kid.

I know this is anecdotal but I fully believe that sociopaths CAN be born that way. It's not simply a nature vs. nurture argument.
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  - gta4, cod4  Pavulon   Nov-18-08 09:59 PM   # 
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  - I love games but some  Pavulon   Nov-18-08 10:06 PM   #13 
     - Games have gone too far. I've seen the games fathers buy for their sons  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-18-08 10:10 PM   #19 
        - Depends on the kid and content  Pavulon   Nov-18-08 10:14 PM   #25 
        - I think thinking that kids can separate game violence from the real world is not only delusional....  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-18-08 10:26 PM   #33 
           - Rolling Stone had an excellent article about how the Army  truedelphi   Nov-19-08 01:11 PM   #113 
        - right, because mothers never ever buy their sons violent video games.  uncle ray   Nov-19-08 12:50 AM   #60 
           - self delete  pipoman   Nov-19-08 08:04 PM   #116 
  - Bullshit!  snake in the grass   Nov-19-08 04:05 AM   #72 
  - Shooting in a video game and shooting in real life are completely different.  Ladyhawk   Nov-19-08 09:30 AM   #94 
     - I totally agree and...  snake in the grass   Nov-19-08 09:58 AM   #102 
     - My point was sarc. but you can see detail down to  Pavulon   Nov-19-08 07:28 PM   #114 
  - Dumbest post Ive ever seen  Uzybone   Nov-19-08 12:14 PM   #109 
     - It is really easy to make a glock 17 work  Pavulon   Nov-19-08 07:32 PM   #115 
  - His Dad taught him how to shoot praire dogs.  OurVotesCount-Ohio   Nov-18-08 10:02 PM   #10 
  - His dad played with fire and died by it. Anyone that teaches their kids to shoot ...  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-18-08 10:03 PM   #12 
     - My dad taught me..  Pavulon   Nov-18-08 10:07 PM   #14 
     - my dad is a gun owner many times over and when we were kids he taught us how  chimpsrsmarter   Nov-18-08 10:11 PM   #22 
     - I suspect it does too. I had read he was recently spanked,  OurVotesCount-Ohio   Nov-18-08 10:24 PM   #31 
     - Not that simple. My dad was in law enforcement, so he had to have a gun, including carrying off-duty  Withywindle   Nov-19-08 02:08 AM   #65 
     - Bad logic  Rebubula   Nov-19-08 08:00 AM   #92 
     - Talk about bad logic. How do you know that the child is a "bad seed," Dr. Frist? n/t  Gormy Cuss   Nov-19-08 11:59 AM   #108 
     - I know TONS of people who hunt with their kids  gollygee   Nov-19-08 08:03 AM   #93 
     - I don't have problems. Neither does my son. Think MAYBE the KID had problems already!?!  jmg257   Nov-19-08 11:51 AM   #107 
  - His father taught him how to shoot the .22 caliber rifle.  lizzy   Nov-18-08 10:08 PM   #17 
  - Well, let that be a good lesson to all men who think it's adorable when they  Sarah Ibarruri   Nov-18-08 10:12 PM   #23 
     - Your posts are offensively misandric...get a grip...n/t  pipoman   Nov-19-08 08:16 PM   #117 
  - I learned to shoot a real rifle at ten years old.  wartrace   Nov-18-08 10:11 PM   #21 
  - Maybe he got such a big rush from killing animals that he wanted to upgrade  Truth Hurts A Lot   Nov-18-08 10:15 PM   #26 
     - I have never shot an animal, have you?  wartrace   Nov-18-08 10:48 PM   #40 
  - His father taught him to hunt. nt  Demobrat   Nov-18-08 10:20 PM   #27 
  - His father taught him how to shoot a gun.  shaniqua6392   Nov-19-08 05:31 AM   #79 
  - Along with hundreds of millions of other kids who shoot yet never shoot anyone..  pipoman   Nov-19-08 08:19 PM   #118 
  - My brother and I leaned how to shoot when he was six and I was 10  slackmaster   Nov-19-08 09:41 AM   #98 
  - Yes, I did, but left with a very different impression. He's a kid and  babylonsister   Nov-18-08 09:55 PM   #2 
  - and did they check the kid's clothes?  orleans   Nov-19-08 02:11 AM   #66 
  - no lawyer or family member in there with him during the interrogation, that's going  chimpsrsmarter   Nov-18-08 09:56 PM   #3 
  - That was my first thought.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Nov-19-08 07:41 AM   #86 
  - They were saying that the confession is unrealiable  gravity   Nov-18-08 09:56 PM   #4 
  - How do you know he's lying?  Lex   Nov-18-08 09:56 PM   #5 
  - he sounded like an 8 year old that was trying to please adults imo.  chimpsrsmarter   Nov-18-08 09:59 PM   #6 
  - Yes, and that's the problem with interrogating a child, it's unreliable  Lex   Nov-18-08 10:03 PM   #11 
  - i agree, plus there was NO GUARDIAN in the room....it will be dismissed in court  spanone   Nov-19-08 09:53 AM   #100 
  - I just had a gut feeling while listening to him  Truth Hurts A Lot   Nov-18-08 10:08 PM   #15 
  - My wife and I heard the transcript this morning  reflection   Nov-19-08 09:50 AM   #99 
  - The real issue is...  liberalmuse   Nov-18-08 10:01 PM   #8 
  - Great response  cobalt1999   Nov-18-08 10:08 PM   #16 
  - It's not a news interview. I think media got a hold of his police  lizzy   Nov-18-08 10:10 PM   #20 
  - it wasn't a news interview, it was an interrogation and he had no family member for attorney there.  chimpsrsmarter   Nov-18-08 10:13 PM   #24 
  - His father was dead and his mother was not living in the same  lizzy   Nov-18-08 10:21 PM   #28 
     - they should have gotten him a public defender, you don't just question a minor  chimpsrsmarter   Nov-18-08 10:23 PM   #29 
     - They didn't get him a lawyer cause he wasn't a suspect  DoctorMyEyes   Nov-18-08 10:29 PM   #35 
        - No child should be questioned by law enforcement without an parent or attorney present.  Heidi   Nov-19-08 05:29 AM   #78 
        - I find it hard to believe that he wasn't a suspect as the interviewer questioned him about how  Uncle Joe   Nov-19-08 12:25 PM   #111 
     - That's what Guardian Ad Litem is for. Has the court appointed one?  Seldona   Nov-19-08 03:28 AM   #70 
  - You're right...  DearAbby   Nov-18-08 11:29 PM   #49 
  - Yup. Not only a serious breach of ethics for the police, ...  surrealAmerican   Nov-19-08 07:49 AM   #89 
  - You're right...  DearAbby   Nov-18-08 11:30 PM   #50 
  - Thank you! The sensationalism surrounding this case is a high (low) point of our current  IndyOp   Nov-19-08 10:01 AM   #104 
  - Sociopaths come in all sizes, shapes, ages and genders . . .  Journeyman   Nov-18-08 10:02 PM   #9 
  - the child was probably not born as a sociopath... let's not blame an 8 yr old.  nightrain   Nov-18-08 10:10 PM   #18 
  - I know it seems wierd but honestly, I think there are some who are born sociopathic.  riderinthestorm   Nov-18-08 10:31 PM   #37 
  - most likely all of them - are born that way or predisposed to become so.  AchtungToddler   Nov-18-08 11:39 PM   #53 
  - if by "predisposed" you mean "at risk" due to environmental conditions...  nightrain   Nov-20-08 02:17 PM   #120 
  - I agree.  Withywindle   Nov-19-08 02:16 AM   #68 
  - How terribly sad and terrifying.  alphafemale   Nov-19-08 05:33 AM   #80 
  - Budding sociopathic kids are referred to as conduct disordered  StopThePendulum   Nov-19-08 05:33 AM   #81 
  - think attachment disorder....  nightrain   Nov-20-08 02:13 PM   #119 
  - and now... dead.  Dorian Gray   Nov-19-08 07:11 AM   #82 
  - Why are you assuming this boy's guilt? First he spent twelve minutes saying  pnwmom   Nov-19-08 05:07 AM   #75 
     - I think his "confession" is not convincing.  lizzy   Nov-19-08 07:34 AM   #83 
  - KTAR Radio in phoenix is playing the audio from the entire  ben_meyers   Nov-18-08 10:23 PM   #30 
  - Why won't it be able to be used in court?  lizzy   Nov-18-08 10:26 PM   #32 
  - no guardian of the kid or attorney for the kid in the room during the  Lex   Nov-18-08 10:29 PM   #34 
  - He's 8 years old, a defense attorney will claim and rightfully so that no adult  chimpsrsmarter   Nov-18-08 10:29 PM   #36 
     - Except now, he's a sociopath on DU.  babylonsister   Nov-18-08 10:56 PM   #41 
     - You got that right- and it is sickening to see. Critical thinking is something...  Poll_Blind   Nov-19-08 09:39 AM   #97 
     - He wasn't even read his Miranda rights  Phx_Dem   Nov-19-08 10:07 AM   #105 
  - Can you legally prosecute an 8 year old as an adult??  mymessageboardid   Nov-18-08 10:48 PM   #39 
     - Under Arizona law he can be charged as a juvenile now  ben_meyers   Nov-18-08 11:10 PM   #43 
        - That is an unfair law. Why should someone who committed a crime at age 8  pnwmom   Nov-19-08 05:09 AM   #76 
           - Well my guess would be so such person isn't let out when he/she  lizzy   Nov-19-08 07:43 AM   #87 
  - his life is over anyway..  stillcool47   Nov-18-08 10:42 PM   #38 
  - I've met and interacted with a child sociopath before.  riderinthestorm   Nov-18-08 10:56 PM   #42 
     - I am familiar with children with mental...  stillcool47   Nov-18-08 11:15 PM   #45 
     - I am so, so very sorry about your trauma.  riderinthestorm   Nov-18-08 11:28 PM   # 
        - that is very kind...  stillcool47   Nov-19-08 12:30 AM   #57 
     - The 8 yr old being discussed has NO PRIOR troubling behavior. NONE.  FedUpWithIt All   Nov-18-08 11:21 PM   #46 
  - Innocent until proven guilty? WTF. Never allowed to roam in public?  FedUpWithIt All   Nov-18-08 11:13 PM   #44 
  - Maybe I watched one too many Omen like movies  Truth Hurts A Lot   Nov-18-08 11:24 PM   #47 
  - I disagree about the emotion.  FedUpWithIt All   Nov-19-08 01:48 AM   #63 
  - If they did the gun powder residue test on his hands they  lizzy   Nov-18-08 11:28 PM   #48 
  - Yes and if they had that evidence they would have KNOWN ot have an attorney present.  FedUpWithIt All   Nov-18-08 11:37 PM   #51 
     - Residue is not going to be evident on anyone until the test is done.  lizzy   Nov-18-08 11:37 PM   #52 
        - There are ways to detect immediately if a gun was recently shot UNLESS someone attempts to clean up....  FedUpWithIt All   Nov-18-08 11:56 PM   #55 
           - To detect a gun powder residue a test needs to be done.  lizzy   Nov-19-08 12:26 AM   #56 
              - I KNOW that residue is not visible. I am not talking about "residue". Have you ever shot a rifle?  FedUpWithIt All   Nov-19-08 01:06 AM   #61 
                 - They didn't tell him victim's wife heard him being called by the boy.  lizzy   Nov-19-08 01:08 AM   #62 
                    - They mentioned the person that Tim was talking to on the phone.  FedUpWithIt All   Nov-19-08 02:02 AM   #64 
  - To say nothing of the fact that there would be a murderer running around free  Doremus   Nov-18-08 11:48 PM   #54 
  - I agree.  Seldona   Nov-19-08 03:35 AM   #71 
  - He is NOT A MURDERER  lynyrd_skynyrd   Nov-19-08 12:32 AM   #58 
  - He is a child and accused of a heinous crime....  Aviation Pro   Nov-19-08 12:39 AM   #59 
     - To be a murderer you must have an understanding of death and an intention  pnwmom   Nov-19-08 05:12 AM   #77 
  - All I see is 2 chicks with giant hairdos yapping.  Dr Fate   Nov-19-08 02:15 AM   #67 
  - This story smells  Egnever   Nov-19-08 02:28 AM   #69 
  - The police completely botched the case.  TexasObserver   Nov-19-08 04:45 AM   #73 
  - In the first 12 minute tape he denied the murders.  pnwmom   Nov-19-08 05:05 AM   #74 
  - Well look at the timing.  lizzy   Nov-19-08 07:36 AM   #84 
  - kick for later viewing I got 2 hungry dogs and a cat on my ass for me to feed them now  NNN0LHI   Nov-19-08 07:38 AM   #85 
  - If you've already concluded he's a murderer, why don't you move on to discuss methods of execution?  rug   Nov-19-08 07:49 AM   #88 
  - Drown him in Kool Aid...  mitchum   Nov-19-08 10:00 AM   #103 
  - You mean the 8-year-old who is accused of murder?  gollygee   Nov-19-08 07:51 AM   #90 
  - Has he been convicted yet?  WolverineDG   Nov-19-08 07:57 AM   #91 
  - is that only reserved for you or when someone you know or support is accused of a crime?  Fumesucker   Nov-19-08 09:39 AM   #96 
     - Believe it or not, that mental attitude is very prevalent on DU nt  WolverineDG   Nov-19-08 11:39 AM   #106 
  - I don't care if he sounded like Christopher Walken. He's still not an adult.  BlooInBloo   Nov-19-08 09:33 AM   #95 
  - I'm glad I missed that one  slackmaster   Nov-19-08 09:57 AM   #101 
  - I believe the judge will likely throw his confession out of court.  Uncle Joe   Nov-19-08 12:21 PM   #110 
  - Regardless, at 8 he doesn't understand the ramifications of what he did--  wienerdoggie   Nov-19-08 12:26 PM   #112 
 

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