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Mon Nov-17-08 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #96 |
| 98. Contracts have to be specific. Unless its a prenuptial agreement, |
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Edited on Mon Nov-17-08 03:21 PM by mmonk
it falls under a body of laws settled through the courts through legal actions after the fact or by state statutes.
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| -Is entering into contracts a human right? |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:28 AM |
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Entering into any contract you want isn't a human right |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:29 AM |
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How are you going to survive without contacts? |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:32 AM |
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We have contracts because they allow our society to function |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:33 AM |
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I asked a question, you failed to answer.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:34 AM |
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I never suggested our society doesn't need contracts |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:35 AM |
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Once again you fail to answer. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:37 AM |
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I don't answer because it's a strawman argument |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:39 AM |
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How is it a strawman? |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:41 AM |
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It's a strawman because I never said we don't need contracts to survive |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:45 AM |
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Without a contract you cannot buy or sell anything.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:47 AM |
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Again, that's because of how our society is set up |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:48 AM |
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In your view, can government make any and all contracts illegal. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:54 AM |
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Not if the contract involves an underlying right |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:57 AM |
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In your view, then, the government can make any and all contracts illegal.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:12 AM |
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No, and I never said that |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 09:13 AM |
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If something is not a right, the government can make it illegal? |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:16 AM |
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If it isn't a right and it's in the state's best interest |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 09:28 AM |
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Your right to free speech is not absolute either.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:31 AM |
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We live in a society that uses the Constitution as the basis for law. |
obiwan |
Nov-17-08 03:42 PM |
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But as to lawful contracts |
treestar |
Nov-17-08 08:43 AM |
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Yes, if a contract is lawful then it is, but he's talking about something that is not legal |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:46 AM |
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Please show me where I mentioned polygamous marriage on this thread.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:51 AM |
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That's what started the whole discussion |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:52 AM |
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But this is a different discussion.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:55 AM |
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A lot of your questions involve strawman arguments n/t |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:58 AM |
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Agreed. Let's agree to disagree, |
obiwan |
Nov-17-08 03:44 PM |
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that's not the point |
unpossibles |
Nov-17-08 08:43 AM |
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Yes that's excactly right |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:47 AM |
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I know that's not the question in the gay rights argument.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:49 AM |
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sure. In my opinion we should have the ability to enter into a contract |
unpossibles |
Nov-17-08 09:57 AM |
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The Declaration Of Independence is not our governing document. |
obiwan |
Nov-17-08 03:51 PM |
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"The Declaration Of Independence is not our governing document." |
unpossibles |
Nov-17-08 04:28 PM |
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law school basics |
ROakes1019 |
Nov-17-08 08:55 AM |
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So the reason polygandrous marriage is not a right.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:59 AM |
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If there is a state or federal law prohibiting one group of people from |
malaise |
Nov-17-08 04:17 PM |
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Not until you're 18 in the United States |
Rabrrrrrr |
Nov-17-08 08:29 AM |
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Other rights are also limited by age.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:42 AM |
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Also, that thead was about polygamy more than same-sex marriage n/t |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:32 AM |
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You also need to be competent to sign a |
dkf |
Nov-17-08 08:33 AM |
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Too vague. You can't legally enter a contract to do something illegal - like kill someone. NT |
mondo joe |
Nov-17-08 08:36 AM |
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So you think the government has the power to ban any and all citizens.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:40 AM |
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It depends on what the contract is for |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:43 AM |
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Again, *contracts* is too vague. Some contracts can be legally prohibited, such |
mondo joe |
Nov-17-08 08:49 AM |
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So in your view, government can ban any and all contracts? |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:52 AM |
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No, it can ban some contracts. And the reasons must - in the US anyway - meet |
mondo joe |
Nov-17-08 08:53 AM |
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Not if the underlying issue involves a right |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:54 AM |
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Well said. Well said. NT |
mondo joe |
Nov-17-08 08:55 AM |
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Should government have the power to stop you from doing something.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:03 AM |
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It depends on why the state feels it has an interest |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 09:07 AM |
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So any behavior that might harm society as a whole... |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:14 AM |
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Our government is there in part to protect society |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 09:23 AM |
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My wife used to get volunteer workers at her place of business.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:27 AM |
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I volunteer at a few places. Why should that be illegal? |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 09:31 AM |
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Still waiting for that nailing jello to the wall smiley :) |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:46 AM |
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Personally |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 09:51 AM |
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That wasn't the case in this particular company.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 10:00 AM |
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Yes, actually, to ensure protection of ordinary workers from corporations. |
mondo joe |
Nov-17-08 09:32 AM |
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Should corporations then not be allowed to engage in barter? |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:48 AM |
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Engaged with whom? |
mondo joe |
Nov-17-08 09:57 AM |
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Stock options? |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 10:02 AM |
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No problem there, personally. NT |
mondo joe |
Nov-17-08 10:04 AM |
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Ah, so your ban is not absolute.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 10:05 AM |
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Because stock options is likely to have more value than a year's supply of Rice-a-roni. |
mondo joe |
Nov-17-08 10:11 AM |
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wrong |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-17-08 10:04 AM |
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Thanks, I didn't know that.. n/t |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 10:06 AM |
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In a way it used to be ... |
meegbear |
Nov-17-08 08:38 AM |
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I've lost money on more jobs than I really like to think about.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:56 AM |
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According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: |
GodlessBiker |
Nov-17-08 08:48 AM |
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He isnt' talking about one specific contract involving something that is a right |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:49 AM |
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Does that imply the right to enter into contracts though? |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 08:50 AM |
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I agree. And "property" can have a broad meaning. It doesn't say "real estate." |
GodlessBiker |
Nov-17-08 09:08 AM |
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Exactly.. n/t |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:16 AM |
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Yet it remains a truism that one cannot contract to perform an illegal act. Or... |
GodlessBiker |
Nov-17-08 09:25 AM |
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I can write a contract for any job for any price I wish.... |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:28 AM |
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It depends, I would think, if the intent were to avoid minimum wage laws. McDonald's cannot... |
GodlessBiker |
Nov-17-08 09:52 AM |
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You must be a libertarian? |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 08:51 AM |
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Have you taken the Political Compass Quiz? |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:01 AM |
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I've taken it before |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 09:04 AM |
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I think the statistical average of DUers |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:09 AM |
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No idea. n/t |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 09:09 AM |
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I'm sure if it weren't, someone would have dropped by to tell us by now.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:23 AM |
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The two aren't that far away from each other |
gollygee |
Nov-17-08 09:35 AM |
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I just took it and that is where I fell too... it might be a gimmick?? n/t |
prayin4rain |
Nov-17-08 10:25 AM |
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My uncle has Alzheimer's which is apparent if you talk to him long |
dkf |
Nov-17-08 08:53 AM |
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There is a right to refuse to enter into a contract also.,.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:08 AM |
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Our society has legislated the concept into a human right in a way |
shadowknows69 |
Nov-17-08 09:16 AM |
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That's my point.. I think.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:19 AM |
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No- contracts are a human invention. |
BullGooseLoony |
Nov-17-08 09:17 AM |
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God is a human invention... |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 09:21 AM |
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There may or may not be a God without our invention of it/him/her |
shadowknows69 |
Nov-17-08 09:36 AM |
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It's also why most theistic mythology is wrought with flawed heroes and deities |
shadowknows69 |
Nov-17-08 09:41 AM |
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Yep, if you start at the beginning, God doesn't seem like such a great guy.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 10:04 AM |
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I guess someone views a marriage as a business contract? |
mmonk |
Nov-17-08 10:03 AM |
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The state does, it is a legal contract in today's society, whatever else it is too. |
shadowknows69 |
Nov-17-08 10:05 AM |
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You get a license from the state to marry. It doesn't however, |
mmonk |
Nov-17-08 03:12 PM |
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Yes, it does. As soon as a person gets married - religious ceremony or not - the law kicks in. |
yardwork |
Nov-17-08 03:17 PM |
#96 |
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Contracts have to be specific. Unless its a prenuptial agreement, |
mmonk |
Nov-17-08 03:20 PM |
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Exactly. Every state has their own set of statutes related to marriage. |
yardwork |
Nov-17-08 03:24 PM |
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Yes, a contract granted by legal right. I was just being picky over the |
mmonk |
Nov-17-08 03:36 PM |
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Yes, a marriage contract is different from a business contract. |
yardwork |
Nov-17-08 03:40 PM |
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Yes and the problem arises when religious leaders try |
mmonk |
Nov-17-08 03:45 PM |
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That is the problem, in a nutshell. Some people believe that their religion should be the law. |
yardwork |
Nov-17-08 03:48 PM |
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I guess someone doesn't get the point.. |
Fumesucker |
Nov-17-08 10:10 AM |
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Except that you mention marriage in your opening line |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-17-08 10:52 AM |
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So what duties are owed by the prinicipals, what are the enforcement |
mmonk |
Nov-17-08 03:06 PM |
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The law in each state determines the thousands of legal obligations contained within marriage. |
yardwork |
Nov-17-08 03:20 PM |
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All people should have the same rights to enter contracts |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-17-08 10:26 AM |
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I don't see how it can be... |
LanternWaste |
Nov-17-08 11:08 AM |
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Not a human right, but a right implicit to the social contract. |
Chan790 |
Nov-17-08 12:16 PM |
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In any case, it's unconstitutional to deny a right to just one group of people. |
yardwork |
Nov-17-08 03:15 PM |
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I approach it from the standpoint of whether it is beneficial (and romantic) |
quispismanna |
Nov-17-08 03:23 PM |
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Then there should be no right to prevent people from entering contracts. |
rucky |
Nov-17-08 04:20 PM |
#109 |
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