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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-08 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #49
50. No, and I never said that
Yet another strawman.
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  -Is entering into contracts a human right? Fumesucker  Nov-17-08 08:28 AM   #0 
  - Entering into any contract you want isn't a human right  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:29 AM   #1 
  - How are you going to survive without contacts?  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 08:32 AM   #4 
  - We have contracts because they allow our society to function  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:33 AM   #5 
     - I asked a question, you failed to answer..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 08:34 AM   #7 
        - I never suggested our society doesn't need contracts  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:35 AM   #8 
           - Once again you fail to answer.  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 08:37 AM   #10 
              - I don't answer because it's a strawman argument  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:39 AM   #12 
                 - How is it a strawman?  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 08:41 AM   #14 
                    - It's a strawman because I never said we don't need contracts to survive  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:45 AM   #19 
                       - Without a contract you cannot buy or sell anything..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 08:47 AM   # 
                          - Again, that's because of how our society is set up  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:48 AM   # 
                             - In your view, can government make any and all contracts illegal.  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 08:54 AM   #33 
                                - Not if the contract involves an underlying right  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:57 AM   #38 
                                   - In your view, then, the government can make any and all contracts illegal..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:12 AM   #49 
                                      - No, and I never said that  gollygee   Nov-17-08 09:13 AM   #50 
                                         - If something is not a right, the government can make it illegal?  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:16 AM   #53 
                                            - If it isn't a right and it's in the state's best interest  gollygee   Nov-17-08 09:28 AM   #62 
                                               - Your right to free speech is not absolute either..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:31 AM   #64 
                                                  - We live in a society that uses the Constitution as the basis for law.  obiwan   Nov-17-08 03:42 PM   #103 
  - But as to lawful contracts  treestar   Nov-17-08 08:43 AM   #17 
  - Yes, if a contract is lawful then it is, but he's talking about something that is not legal  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:46 AM   #20 
     - Please show me where I mentioned polygamous marriage on this thread..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 08:51 AM   #27 
        - That's what started the whole discussion  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:52 AM   #29 
           - But this is a different discussion..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 08:55 AM   #36 
              - A lot of your questions involve strawman arguments n/t  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:58 AM   #39 
                 - Agreed. Let's agree to disagree,  obiwan   Nov-17-08 03:44 PM   #104 
  - that's not the point  unpossibles   Nov-17-08 08:43 AM   #18 
  - Yes that's excactly right  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:47 AM   #21 
  - I know that's not the question in the gay rights argument..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 08:49 AM   #23 
     - sure. In my opinion we should have the ability to enter into a contract  unpossibles   Nov-17-08 09:57 AM   #75 
        - The Declaration Of Independence is not our governing document.  obiwan   Nov-17-08 03:51 PM   #107 
           - "The Declaration Of Independence is not our governing document."  unpossibles   Nov-17-08 04:28 PM   #110 
  - law school basics  ROakes1019   Nov-17-08 08:55 AM   #35 
  - So the reason polygandrous marriage is not a right..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 08:59 AM   #40 
  - If there is a state or federal law prohibiting one group of people from  malaise   Nov-17-08 04:17 PM   #108 
  - Not until you're 18 in the United States  Rabrrrrrr   Nov-17-08 08:29 AM   #2 
  - Other rights are also limited by age..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 08:42 AM   #15 
  - Also, that thead was about polygamy more than same-sex marriage n/t  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:32 AM   #3 
  - You also need to be competent to sign a  dkf   Nov-17-08 08:33 AM   #6 
  - Too vague. You can't legally enter a contract to do something illegal - like kill someone. NT  mondo joe   Nov-17-08 08:36 AM   #9 
  - So you think the government has the power to ban any and all citizens..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 08:40 AM   #13 
     - It depends on what the contract is for  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:43 AM   #16 
     - Again, *contracts* is too vague. Some contracts can be legally prohibited, such  mondo joe   Nov-17-08 08:49 AM   #25 
        - So in your view, government can ban any and all contracts?  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 08:52 AM   #30 
           - No, it can ban some contracts. And the reasons must - in the US anyway - meet  mondo joe   Nov-17-08 08:53 AM   #32 
           - Not if the underlying issue involves a right  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:54 AM   #34 
              - Well said. Well said. NT  mondo joe   Nov-17-08 08:55 AM   #37 
              - Should government have the power to stop you from doing something..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:03 AM   #42 
                 - It depends on why the state feels it has an interest  gollygee   Nov-17-08 09:07 AM   #44 
                    - So any behavior that might harm society as a whole...  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:14 AM   #51 
                       - Our government is there in part to protect society  gollygee   Nov-17-08 09:23 AM   #58 
                       - My wife used to get volunteer workers at her place of business..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:27 AM   #61 
                          - I volunteer at a few places. Why should that be illegal?  gollygee   Nov-17-08 09:31 AM   #65 
                          - Still waiting for that nailing jello to the wall smiley :)  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:46 AM   #70 
                             - Personally  gollygee   Nov-17-08 09:51 AM   #72 
                                - That wasn't the case in this particular company..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 10:00 AM   #77 
                          - Yes, actually, to ensure protection of ordinary workers from corporations.  mondo joe   Nov-17-08 09:32 AM   #66 
                             - Should corporations then not be allowed to engage in barter?  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:48 AM   #71 
                                - Engaged with whom?  mondo joe   Nov-17-08 09:57 AM   #76 
                                   - Stock options?  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 10:02 AM   #78 
                                      - No problem there, personally. NT  mondo joe   Nov-17-08 10:04 AM   #80 
                                         - Ah, so your ban is not absolute..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 10:05 AM   #84 
                                            - Because stock options is likely to have more value than a year's supply of Rice-a-roni.  mondo joe   Nov-17-08 10:11 AM   #87 
                       - wrong  Bluenorthwest   Nov-17-08 10:04 AM   #82 
                          - Thanks, I didn't know that.. n/t  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 10:06 AM   #85 
  - In a way it used to be ...  meegbear   Nov-17-08 08:38 AM   #11 
  - I've lost money on more jobs than I really like to think about..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:56 AM   #74 
  - According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:  GodlessBiker   Nov-17-08 08:48 AM   #22 
  - He isnt' talking about one specific contract involving something that is a right  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:49 AM   #24 
  - Does that imply the right to enter into contracts though?  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 08:50 AM   #26 
     - I agree. And "property" can have a broad meaning. It doesn't say "real estate."  GodlessBiker   Nov-17-08 09:08 AM   #46 
        - Exactly.. n/t  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:16 AM   #54 
           - Yet it remains a truism that one cannot contract to perform an illegal act. Or...  GodlessBiker   Nov-17-08 09:25 AM   #60 
              - I can write a contract for any job for any price I wish....  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:28 AM   #63 
                 - It depends, I would think, if the intent were to avoid minimum wage laws. McDonald's cannot...  GodlessBiker   Nov-17-08 09:52 AM   #73 
  - You must be a libertarian?  gollygee   Nov-17-08 08:51 AM   #28 
  - Have you taken the Political Compass Quiz?  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:01 AM   #41 
     - I've taken it before  gollygee   Nov-17-08 09:04 AM   #43 
     - I think the statistical average of DUers  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:09 AM   #47 
        - No idea. n/t  gollygee   Nov-17-08 09:09 AM   #48 
           - I'm sure if it weren't, someone would have dropped by to tell us by now..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:23 AM   #59 
              - The two aren't that far away from each other  gollygee   Nov-17-08 09:35 AM   #67 
     - I just took it and that is where I fell too... it might be a gimmick?? n/t  prayin4rain   Nov-17-08 10:25 AM   #88 
  - My uncle has Alzheimer's which is apparent if you talk to him long  dkf   Nov-17-08 08:53 AM   #31 
  - There is a right to refuse to enter into a contract also.,..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:08 AM   #45 
  - Our society has legislated the concept into a human right in a way  shadowknows69   Nov-17-08 09:16 AM   #52 
  - That's my point.. I think..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:19 AM   #56 
  - No- contracts are a human invention.  BullGooseLoony   Nov-17-08 09:17 AM   #55 
  - God is a human invention...  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 09:21 AM   #57 
     - There may or may not be a God without our invention of it/him/her  shadowknows69   Nov-17-08 09:36 AM   #68 
        - It's also why most theistic mythology is wrought with flawed heroes and deities  shadowknows69   Nov-17-08 09:41 AM   #69 
           - Yep, if you start at the beginning, God doesn't seem like such a great guy..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 10:04 AM   #81 
  - I guess someone views a marriage as a business contract?  mmonk   Nov-17-08 10:03 AM   #79 
  - The state does, it is a legal contract in today's society, whatever else it is too.  shadowknows69   Nov-17-08 10:05 AM   #83 
  - You get a license from the state to marry. It doesn't however,  mmonk   Nov-17-08 03:12 PM   #94 
     - Yes, it does. As soon as a person gets married - religious ceremony or not - the law kicks in.  yardwork   Nov-17-08 03:17 PM   #96 
        - Contracts have to be specific. Unless its a prenuptial agreement,  mmonk   Nov-17-08 03:20 PM   #98 
           - Exactly. Every state has their own set of statutes related to marriage.  yardwork   Nov-17-08 03:24 PM   #100 
              - Yes, a contract granted by legal right. I was just being picky over the  mmonk   Nov-17-08 03:36 PM   #101 
                 - Yes, a marriage contract is different from a business contract.  yardwork   Nov-17-08 03:40 PM   #102 
                    - Yes and the problem arises when religious leaders try  mmonk   Nov-17-08 03:45 PM   #105 
                       - That is the problem, in a nutshell. Some people believe that their religion should be the law.  yardwork   Nov-17-08 03:48 PM   #106 
  - I guess someone doesn't get the point..  Fumesucker   Nov-17-08 10:10 AM   #86 
     - Except that you mention marriage in your opening line  Bluenorthwest   Nov-17-08 10:52 AM   #90 
     - So what duties are owed by the prinicipals, what are the enforcement  mmonk   Nov-17-08 03:06 PM   #93 
        - The law in each state determines the thousands of legal obligations contained within marriage.  yardwork   Nov-17-08 03:20 PM   #97 
  - All people should have the same rights to enter contracts  Bluenorthwest   Nov-17-08 10:26 AM   #89 
  - I don't see how it can be...  LanternWaste   Nov-17-08 11:08 AM   #91 
  - Not a human right, but a right implicit to the social contract.  Chan790   Nov-17-08 12:16 PM   #92 
  - In any case, it's unconstitutional to deny a right to just one group of people.  yardwork   Nov-17-08 03:15 PM   #95 
  - I approach it from the standpoint of whether it is beneficial (and romantic)  quispismanna   Nov-17-08 03:23 PM   #99 
  - Then there should be no right to prevent people from entering contracts.  rucky   Nov-17-08 04:20 PM   #109 

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