| 195. Tax breaks came from the Bush admin, not the car co's |
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and it was wrong, indecent, immoral even, to encourage that kind of waste and oil gluttony.
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| -I'm tired of hearing that Detroit only built crappy cars that no one bought. |
Atman |
Nov-16-08 10:40 AM |
#0 |
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i have a cobalt |
scarface2004 |
Nov-16-08 10:42 AM |
#1 |
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I really like the cobalt too. I try to get one every time I rent. |
gristy |
Nov-16-08 10:51 AM |
#8 |
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Thanks for buying a Cobalt |
monktonman |
Nov-16-08 11:33 AM |
#35 |
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I'd buy a Cobalt, too... |
KansDem |
Nov-17-08 09:06 AM |
#121 |
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Might get a Cobalt SS Supercharged as my next ride. |
EOTE |
Nov-17-08 11:53 AM |
#133 |
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They make a turbocharged Cobalt now. |
CRF450 |
Nov-17-08 05:23 PM |
#146 |
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I saw that. |
EOTE |
Nov-18-08 11:27 AM |
#181 |
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That kind of thinking is why we're running out of oil |
hogwyld |
Nov-17-08 05:27 PM |
#147 |
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High powered engines are way way more effecient than they were 30 years. |
CRF450 |
Nov-17-08 05:52 PM |
#154 |
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Still gets about the same fuel economy as the Civic SI. |
EOTE |
Nov-18-08 11:28 AM |
#182 |
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Not to mention, forced induction can make an egine more effecient. |
CRF450 |
Nov-18-08 03:08 PM |
#199 |
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And there is something to be said for torque as well. |
EOTE |
Nov-18-08 04:09 PM |
#200 |
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Most 4cyl. engines are like that. |
CRF450 |
Nov-18-08 04:28 PM |
#202 |
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Or forced induction. |
EOTE |
Nov-19-08 09:20 AM |
#205 |
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I was impressed by the Cobalt I drove as a rental |
semillama |
Nov-17-08 11:17 AM |
#130 |
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Detroit's financial model is based on selling Stupid Useless Vehicle |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-16-08 10:45 AM |
#2 |
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"They built crappy cars no one wanted." |
Atman |
Nov-16-08 10:47 AM |
#4 |
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It's kinda like "Nobody goes there anymore because the place is always too crowded..." |
TankLV |
Nov-16-08 11:03 AM |
#18 |
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"and right now nobody is buying them" |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-16-08 10:49 AM |
#6 |
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No longer true |
SmileyRose |
Nov-16-08 10:56 AM |
#11 |
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The parity is for quality at delivery, not reliability over the lifetime of the vehicle |
FarCenter |
Nov-16-08 11:06 AM |
#21 |
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Cost of ownership. |
SmileyRose |
Nov-16-08 11:32 AM |
#33 |
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A Suburban is not a car |
FarCenter |
Nov-16-08 11:56 AM |
#40 |
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I had an 84 Escort before the Fusion - the Escort is still on the road |
SmileyRose |
Nov-16-08 12:41 PM |
#47 |
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Proper maintenance is the key to long vehicle life. |
greguganus |
Nov-17-08 07:31 AM |
#114 |
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I had a Chevy Nova/Toyota Corolla. Best cheap car ever. |
Atman |
Nov-18-08 09:44 AM |
#177 |
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Exactly. I read "Consumer Reports", not "J D Powers". |
FormerRushFan |
Nov-16-08 12:10 PM |
#45 |
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EXactly |
pending |
Nov-16-08 05:10 PM |
#73 |
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And Yet, Our Experience Is Exactly The Opposite |
ProfessorGAC |
Nov-18-08 09:33 AM |
#174 |
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Guess you've never owned one. |
Kalyke |
Nov-16-08 11:42 PM |
#108 |
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That hasn't been true for a long time. |
quiller4 |
Nov-17-08 05:59 PM |
#158 |
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Consumer Reports stopped automatically recommending Toyota's last year. |
Atman |
Nov-16-08 03:30 PM |
#59 |
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Toyota is jumping the shark |
GoesTo11 |
Nov-17-08 08:17 AM |
#115 |
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I'll remember that next time I pack my SUV up with food for people |
notadmblnd |
Nov-16-08 11:13 AM |
#24 |
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When anyone makes something I can put my upright bass in |
Malidictus Maximus |
Nov-16-08 11:45 AM |
#36 |
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They are beautiful monstrosities aren't they? |
notadmblnd |
Nov-16-08 11:53 AM |
#39 |
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Right now... no one is buying cars from anywhere. |
CANDO |
Nov-16-08 12:07 PM |
#44 |
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Stupid Useless Vehicles......I own an SUV |
carlyhippy |
Nov-17-08 08:51 PM |
#166 |
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They aren't crappy cars. |
Kalyke |
Nov-16-08 10:46 AM |
#3 |
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That's funny -- on a long, long history of manual transmission foreign cars... |
Tesha |
Nov-16-08 01:29 PM |
#54 |
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My family had a Civic SI that practically ate them. |
LeftyMom |
Nov-16-08 03:54 PM |
#65 |
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How many miles? |
JVS |
Nov-16-08 05:25 PM |
#78 |
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Nope. Not that many miles, either, it was pretty much the backup car |
LeftyMom |
Nov-16-08 07:31 PM |
#88 |
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Clutch lifetime in any vehicle is a function of the driver. |
EnviroBat |
Nov-17-08 10:02 AM |
#123 |
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I had a Civic too |
Mystery2Me |
Nov-17-08 08:36 PM |
#164 |
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One clutch replacement in the course of 13 years is neither unusual nor unreasonable |
JVS |
Nov-16-08 05:27 PM |
#79 |
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Then you didn't drive it correctly. |
Kalyke |
Nov-16-08 11:43 PM |
#109 |
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Brakes? No, not so much brakes either. |
Tesha |
Nov-17-08 02:00 PM |
#136 |
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Recommended - fits hand and glove with something I posted earlier |
SmileyRose |
Nov-16-08 10:49 AM |
#5 |
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I'll agree with you there. |
Kalyke |
Nov-16-08 11:45 PM |
#110 |
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"Lost another Billion dollars to DiTech!" n/t |
IanDB1 |
Nov-16-08 10:50 AM |
#7 |
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the big three have been dieing foe decades |
blueknight |
Nov-16-08 10:53 AM |
#10 |
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My last two Fords have been a joy |
POAS |
Nov-16-08 10:51 AM |
#9 |
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I Love Our Focus |
MannyGoldstein |
Nov-16-08 10:56 AM |
#12 |
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My next car may be a Focus. |
Kalyke |
Nov-16-08 11:19 AM |
#27 |
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No Manny, its Mazda's have a lot of Fords in them |
madokie |
Nov-16-08 11:26 AM |
#30 |
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It would have been hard not to improve Jaguar's reliability |
FarCenter |
Nov-16-08 12:02 PM |
#42 |
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My 2001 Focus ZX3 is the best car I've ever had. |
mwb970 |
Nov-16-08 12:07 PM |
#43 |
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We've got the same car... |
whoneedstickets |
Nov-17-08 11:57 PM |
#170 |
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I have a 2008 Focus and LOVE IT! |
Blue Gardener |
Nov-16-08 12:59 PM |
#50 |
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I picked Fusion over Avalon and glad I did |
SmileyRose |
Nov-16-08 11:02 AM |
#16 |
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The Ford Probe is a Mazda |
FarCenter |
Nov-16-08 11:11 AM |
#23 |
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yep...joint venture same as 626 |
POAS |
Nov-16-08 11:23 AM |
#28 |
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Lemme see, my first car was a 1941 Buick, and........ |
suston96 |
Nov-16-08 10:58 AM |
#13 |
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I bought a car last year |
globalvillage |
Nov-16-08 11:00 AM |
#14 |
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Good luck with the Saturn |
FarCenter |
Nov-16-08 11:01 AM |
#15 |
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Wow... |
Atman |
Nov-16-08 03:43 PM |
#62 |
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90's Saturns did/do burn oil. Switching to a heavier oil or a synthetic helps enormously. |
LeftyMom |
Nov-16-08 03:56 PM |
#66 |
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I have a 98 Saturn SW2 |
sherbear |
Nov-16-08 05:36 PM |
#83 |
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On my 3rd Saturn.... |
PatGund |
Nov-16-08 10:51 PM |
#99 |
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Agreed about the SL/SC/SW Saturns. The old ones were a mixed bag, but... |
Thegonagle |
Nov-17-08 05:04 PM |
#143 |
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Are you ready? The Chevy Cobalt everyone raves about upthread is a SATURN |
Atman |
Nov-17-08 05:17 PM |
#144 |
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Yes, the Chevy Cobalt and Saturn Ion are similar designs that share a lot of parts, |
Thegonagle |
Nov-17-08 05:36 PM |
#149 |
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Funny thing is, we weren't talking about the original Saturns. |
Atman |
Nov-17-08 08:20 PM |
#162 |
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I have a Chevy car, and I'm quite happy with it |
fishwax |
Nov-16-08 11:02 AM |
#17 |
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My last american car was a 1990 dodge shadow. |
LWolf |
Nov-16-08 11:04 AM |
#19 |
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One of my friends bought an Aveo(sic?) and that car has cost GM another customer. |
greyhound1966 |
Nov-16-08 11:06 AM |
#20 |
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Yup, the Daewoo Kalos. |
flvegan |
Nov-16-08 11:25 AM |
#29 |
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She shoulda got a Cobalt, they're 10x better than the Aveo. nt |
CRF450 |
Nov-16-08 08:16 PM |
#91 |
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Irrelevant now, she will never buy another GM, and probably any American car now. |
greyhound1966 |
Nov-17-08 04:22 PM |
#140 |
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Sounds like she (like many of the posters here,) is looking for an EXCUSE for not supporting labor. |
Romulox |
Nov-18-08 11:32 AM |
#183 |
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Sounds like a woman that got ripped off for thousands of dollars and is not happy about it. |
greyhound1966 |
Nov-18-08 11:45 AM |
#184 |
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So she's going to make people who had nothing whatever to do with it PAY!!!??? |
Romulox |
Nov-18-08 11:51 AM |
#185 |
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You're the one that made a completely unwarranted attack on a person you know nothing about. |
greyhound1966 |
Nov-18-08 12:02 PM |
#187 |
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Personal attack? Link? |
Romulox |
Nov-18-08 12:16 PM |
#188 |
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"Sounds like she is looking for an EXCUSE for not supporting labor." |
greyhound1966 |
Nov-18-08 12:28 PM |
#189 |
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Yeah. That's not a personal attack. nt |
Romulox |
Nov-18-08 02:09 PM |
#196 |
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I had 2 over 10 year old Oldsmobiles and they both ran repair-free and great. nt |
MookieWilson |
Nov-16-08 11:08 AM |
#22 |
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One of my all time favorite cars was my 1988 Olds Touring Sedan. |
old mark |
Nov-17-08 04:46 PM |
#141 |
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Agreed. I've owned 8 GM/Ford cars in my life |
flvegan |
Nov-16-08 11:18 AM |
#25 |
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I'll take a Ford over any of the others, |
madokie |
Nov-16-08 11:19 AM |
#26 |
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My '94 Ford (Eddy Bauer) Explorer went |
ben_thayer |
Nov-16-08 11:27 AM |
#31 |
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does loving my |
pansypoo53219 |
Nov-16-08 11:30 AM |
#32 |
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I've got an American car I am very happy with |
JNelson6563 |
Nov-16-08 11:33 AM |
#34 |
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this is me with my 2006 Mustang |
Gargoyle |
Nov-16-08 11:51 AM |
#37 |
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Fuckin vandals |
CRF450 |
Nov-16-08 08:37 PM |
#95 |
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I'll never forget shopping for a new car with my Mother in 1980! |
FredStembottom |
Nov-16-08 11:52 AM |
#38 |
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Chevette LOL |
SmileyRose |
Nov-16-08 12:45 PM |
#48 |
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I've owned many American made cars and I haven't had one that let me down ever. |
TheGoldenRule |
Nov-16-08 12:02 PM |
#41 |
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I have owned 2 GM vehicles and currently a Volkswagen |
tammywammy |
Nov-16-08 12:20 PM |
#46 |
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i dont like my saturn. at all. liked my gm camero, cavaliar and pontiac ??? cant |
seabeyond |
Nov-16-08 12:48 PM |
#49 |
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. |
Blue State Native |
Nov-16-08 01:01 PM |
#51 |
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I have owned and driven Fords exclusively for 34 years |
peanut2010 |
Nov-16-08 01:01 PM |
#52 |
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I've never had a problem with a Ford either. |
sufrommich |
Nov-17-08 05:31 PM |
#148 |
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I have a 12 year old Cavalier and I love the car |
cal04 |
Nov-16-08 01:07 PM |
#53 |
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I have always owned American made cars (GM) and have been quite happy with them. |
LibInTexas |
Nov-16-08 01:35 PM |
#55 |
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i LOVED my pacers. if they brought them back i'd buy one again. |
QuestionAll |
Nov-16-08 01:38 PM |
#56 |
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If Ford were to bring the same designs they make for Europe to the US then i |
chimpsrsmarter |
Nov-16-08 01:59 PM |
#57 |
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I think they're going to start selling Fiestas in the US in 2010. |
Telly Savalas |
Nov-16-08 10:36 PM |
#98 |
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If I hear another "Ford = Fix or repair daily" quip I'm gonna go an a rampage. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-16-08 02:15 PM |
#58 |
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How about Found On Road Dead? |
GrizzlyMan |
Nov-16-08 03:37 PM |
#60 |
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I'd guess that the mid 90s was when the domestic cars started getting good again. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-16-08 03:51 PM |
#64 |
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I know, but my 1984 Ford really *did* leave me stranded a lot. |
lildreamer316 |
Nov-16-08 05:24 PM |
#77 |
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Yup...and my 1980's stereo had 1.8% Total Harmonic Distortion. |
Atman |
Nov-16-08 06:54 PM |
#87 |
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Ours too. We had 2 '84s, leased. Longest 4 yrs of my life. |
OurVotesCount-Ohio |
Nov-17-08 01:05 PM |
#135 |
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GMC - Gotta Mechanic Coming |
XOKCowboy |
Nov-17-08 06:51 PM |
#161 |
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Enough people haven't wanted to buy the Big Three that it has seriously hurt their business |
MadHound |
Nov-16-08 03:42 PM |
#61 |
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I've had three American cars. |
donco6 |
Nov-16-08 03:51 PM |
#63 |
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I hate to say it on the We Love American Cars thread- but Subaru |
LeftyMom |
Nov-16-08 04:04 PM |
#67 |
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Well, as a Subaru owner, I wouldn't expect you to say anything different! |
Atman |
Nov-16-08 04:22 PM |
#68 |
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I've never owned a Subaru. I drive a Saturn. |
LeftyMom |
Nov-16-08 04:49 PM |
#71 |
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Oops, my bad! |
Atman |
Nov-16-08 05:49 PM |
#84 |
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Driving successfully in the snow is about two things: |
Thegonagle |
Nov-17-08 05:57 PM |
#155 |
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I have a joke.... |
PatGund |
Nov-16-08 10:59 PM |
#102 |
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Seems like Subaru is the official car |
hogwyld |
Nov-17-08 06:41 PM |
#159 |
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There was a time when American cars were awesome ... |
ColbertWatcher |
Nov-16-08 04:32 PM |
#69 |
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Exactly how are either of these vehicles better than a full-sized SUV? |
Atman |
Nov-16-08 05:55 PM |
#85 |
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Yes, the cars in the pics in my post are gas guzzlers, but they were made in the 60's-70's. |
ColbertWatcher |
Nov-16-08 11:04 PM |
#103 |
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Todays high perfromance cars are way more effecient than those pictured |
CRF450 |
Nov-17-08 11:49 PM |
#169 |
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Their rep came from a few spectacularly bad cars |
seasat |
Nov-16-08 04:39 PM |
#70 |
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I got tired of buying Crappy detroit cars |
pending |
Nov-16-08 05:08 PM |
#72 |
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I have a used Windstar - waiting for the scrappers.... |
mwooldri |
Nov-16-08 05:17 PM |
#74 |
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Good post. n/t |
OhioChick |
Nov-16-08 05:19 PM |
#75 |
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Right now I have a 2003 Chevy Impala; because |
lildreamer316 |
Nov-16-08 05:23 PM |
#76 |
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Qualified for? |
JVS |
Nov-16-08 05:28 PM |
#80 |
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"Sub prime" car loan. |
Atman |
Nov-16-08 06:02 PM |
#86 |
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Yep; that's about it. |
lildreamer316 |
Nov-16-08 11:24 PM |
#106 |
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Hey, it helped us out, too. |
Atman |
Nov-17-08 06:32 AM |
#111 |
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wow |
buckettgirl |
Nov-17-08 08:57 AM |
#119 |
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The 1500 car died three weeks before I bought the new one. |
lildreamer316 |
Nov-17-08 09:54 AM |
#122 |
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all i can say |
buckettgirl |
Nov-17-08 03:33 PM |
#139 |
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You've got to be kidding me. |
lildreamer316 |
Nov-17-08 11:09 PM |
#167 |
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I wasn't dumb. It's easy to be so practical when it doesn't cost you anything, right? |
Atman |
Nov-18-08 09:28 AM |
#173 |
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The "sub-prime" used cars that work well for those loans are generally |
Thegonagle |
Nov-17-08 05:22 PM |
#145 |
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GM should build more of these... |
RetroLounge |
Nov-16-08 05:33 PM |
#81 |
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I have a '98 Chevy Malibu with no problems, and had a lemon Subaru before that. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Nov-16-08 05:35 PM |
#82 |
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I loved my Ford Escape - wish I hadn't sold it. nt |
whutgives |
Nov-16-08 07:59 PM |
#89 |
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Thank you!! Finally an open minded poster brings up this issue. |
CRF450 |
Nov-16-08 08:14 PM |
#90 |
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My PT Cruiser is great! Better than my husband's Civic or my old Acura and the Toyota before that. |
McCamy Taylor |
Nov-16-08 08:23 PM |
#92 |
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My old Subaru was crap compared to my Ford Freestyle. |
knitter4democracy |
Nov-16-08 08:23 PM |
#93 |
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I am the opposite |
OutspokenLiberal |
Nov-16-08 11:12 PM |
#105 |
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I was surprised, honestly. |
knitter4democracy |
Nov-17-08 10:03 AM |
#124 |
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You are right.. |
sendero |
Nov-16-08 08:30 PM |
#94 |
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I had a 1980 Chevy Monza that lasted 14 years. |
azmouse |
Nov-16-08 08:44 PM |
#96 |
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I've always owned Subarus but... |
drumtrip |
Nov-16-08 11:06 PM |
#104 |
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1994 Dodge Shadow. Best car I ever owned. Beats my current Corolla by a long shot. |
PeterU |
Nov-16-08 09:51 PM |
#97 |
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Yes, a lot of people bought big trucks and SUVs, thus making the Big Three keep churning out lots |
codjh9 |
Nov-16-08 10:54 PM |
#100 |
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Have you seen Toyota's and Nissan's trucks? Some of the biggest things on the road. |
Atman |
Nov-17-08 07:13 AM |
#112 |
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How did they get away with building cars that roll over so easy. Don't tell be their |
rhett o rick |
Nov-16-08 10:57 PM |
#101 |
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It is the high center of gravity on any tall vehicle |
kwassa |
Nov-17-08 08:32 AM |
#116 |
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Thanks but I understand the physics, but my point is that GM and Ford designed and built vehicles |
rhett o rick |
Nov-17-08 03:15 PM |
#137 |
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Cars themselves are inherently dangerous. |
Atman |
Nov-17-08 03:33 PM |
#138 |
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I agree of course that cars are dangerous. My point is that Detroit built |
rhett o rick |
Nov-17-08 04:51 PM |
#142 |
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Its not like they roll over when the driver turns the wheel fast. |
CRF450 |
Nov-17-08 05:49 PM |
#153 |
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I have owned GM, Ford and Toyota vehicles. |
dugaresa |
Nov-16-08 11:31 PM |
#107 |
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I drive a 2000 Caravan and it runs great |
Marrah_G |
Nov-17-08 07:27 AM |
#113 |
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My only bad GM car had a Toyota engine that crapped out after 80,000 miles |
kwassa |
Nov-17-08 08:37 AM |
#117 |
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I own 03 Ford Escape and 92 Chevy Lumina |
buckettgirl |
Nov-17-08 08:37 AM |
#118 |
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I'm tired of it being true. nt |
Deep13 |
Nov-17-08 09:01 AM |
#120 |
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On Washington Journal This Morning. . . |
ProfessorGAC |
Nov-17-08 10:05 AM |
#125 |
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I am going to get smoked for this, but I believe that the root of |
EnviroBat |
Nov-17-08 10:22 AM |
#126 |
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Which 100k Miles Plastiboxes Would That Be? |
ProfessorGAC |
Nov-17-08 10:32 AM |
#127 |
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Disclamer- Own 2006 Grand Prix |
snooper2 |
Nov-17-08 10:51 AM |
#128 |
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My experiences |
StreetKnowledge |
Nov-17-08 10:51 AM |
#129 |
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they killed their succesful electric car program and bought hummer instead. |
toadzilla |
Nov-17-08 11:25 AM |
#131 |
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Yeah,...I had a good laugh the other day at a commercial for a $24,5000 hummer H3 |
anigbrowl |
Nov-18-08 12:49 PM |
#190 |
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The electric cars cost $40,000 to buy. |
StreetKnowledge |
Nov-18-08 12:52 PM |
#191 |
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No one is buying a car because no one has a JOB |
lib2DaBone |
Nov-17-08 11:46 AM |
#132 |
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Bought A Used 2005 Buick Century In 2006 And Love It! |
Better Believe It |
Nov-17-08 12:01 PM |
#134 |
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I did not know that they owned Ditech |
underpants |
Nov-17-08 05:40 PM |
#150 |
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I guess that was the point of my OP... |
Atman |
Nov-17-08 08:32 PM |
#163 |
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to add to that |
underpants |
Nov-17-08 08:42 PM |
#165 |
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But marketing campaigns and tax breaks for purchasing gas guzzlers |
Overseas |
Nov-17-08 05:42 PM |
#151 |
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Tax breaks came from the Bush admin, not the car co's |
demokatgurrl |
Nov-18-08 01:56 PM |
#195 |
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Had a '95 Ford Contour V6 |
sir pball |
Nov-17-08 05:43 PM |
#152 |
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I love Ford Trucks. |
XOKCowboy |
Nov-17-08 05:58 PM |
#156 |
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I love Ford Trucks. |
XOKCowboy |
Nov-17-08 05:59 PM |
#157 |
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I love my T-bird |
Ohio Joe |
Nov-17-08 06:45 PM |
#160 |
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I only buy American cars myself |
HughMoran |
Nov-17-08 11:13 PM |
#168 |
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We bought a new s10 blazer in 1991 had it up until last year, had 200,000 miles when |
madmom |
Nov-18-08 12:01 AM |
#171 |
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Okay. No one SMART bought Detroit cars. |
tomreedtoon |
Nov-18-08 12:15 AM |
#172 |
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I'm Smart. I Bought Them |
ProfessorGAC |
Nov-18-08 09:35 AM |
#175 |
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You're a fool. That is the only thing you clarified. |
Atman |
Nov-18-08 09:50 AM |
#178 |
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Bad Management Is Right |
ProfessorGAC |
Nov-18-08 10:01 AM |
#180 |
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Lots of SMART people bought Detroit cars. |
StreetKnowledge |
Nov-18-08 01:00 PM |
#192 |
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How's the Pontiac G8? |
CRF450 |
Nov-18-08 03:01 PM |
#198 |
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a lot of good lefties rushed out to buy GM's EV-1 electric car. If it was still available... |
yurbud |
Nov-18-08 09:44 AM |
#176 |
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It's generational. Baby Boomers can remember American cars they liked, Xers can't |
yurbud |
Nov-18-08 09:54 AM |
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It's REGIONAL. Sunbelt residents feel they can appease the "free market" with a sacrifice |
Romulox |
Nov-18-08 12:01 PM |
#186 |
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Midwest sees it as loyalty to workers, everywhere else sees it as misplaced loyalty to corporations |
yurbud |
Nov-18-08 01:29 PM |
#194 |
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Motorcycles offer an interesting parallel |
anigbrowl |
Nov-18-08 01:26 PM |
#193 |
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Check out the Kawasaki Ninja 650r. |
CRF450 |
Nov-18-08 02:58 PM |
#197 |
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I actually have asoft spot for old honda 400/4s... |
anigbrowl |
Nov-18-08 08:19 PM |
#204 |
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they made some pretty good cars, that got crappy gas mileage |
leftofthedial |
Nov-18-08 04:12 PM |
#201 |
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I wish Detroi won't under the depression too much |
sray2007 |
Nov-18-08 04:46 PM |
#203 |
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We buy Fords. |
MissMarple |
Nov-19-08 09:43 AM |
#206 |
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Our 1992 Toyota Corolla is still running |
LiberalEsto |
Nov-19-08 09:52 AM |
#207 |
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People want to buy American, unfortunately Amercian car co. CEOs |
Lorien |
Nov-19-08 09:56 AM |
#208 |