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Reply #44: I'm for it for a couple of reasons... [View All]

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warren pease (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-16-08 05:59 PM
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44. I'm for it for a couple of reasons...
First, let's say you could turn back the clock about five years, give or take. You'd be back in a world where only the rich, recent inheritors, sudden stock option millionaires and previous home buyers could possibly afford a house anywhere in the country remotely fit for human habitation.

This would be what many seem to be pining for; the good old days of outrageous, unregulated speculation by all levels in the property buying food chain -- from inflated appraisals to falsified annual income to fraudulent lending practices and the whole sub-prime piracy.

Banking and financial management institutions had developed their own impressive variety of scams to lend other peoples' money to borderline indigents while skimming a nice cut off the top.

Call me an economic imbecile -- which is largely true -- but having watched the whole sorry feeding frenzy get constantly more degrading and disgusting by the year, I've no desire to repeat the same cycle. So if that was the best of all possible worlds and simply returning to that era would fix everything, then we lack the imagination to escape from our self-created capitalist prison.

And down that road a little farther, imagine a country whose people have become so isolated from each other, and from any and all institutions, that it's no longer a society at all. Instead, it's maybe 200 million disconnected, semi-autonomous city-states, constantly at war with all the rest over the same dwindling supply of goods and jobs and services and money and square feet of pavement.

Second, I'd really like to see people get past the me-first self-determinism that prevents people with nearly identical concerns from building alliances against the threats they face in common. As Franklin(?) said of the founders status as traitors: "We must hang together or we will surely hang separately." Just so.

Same shit, different day. There are better, more empowering ways to deal with the twin obscenities of rising foreclosure numbers and the spectacular sums of OUR MONEY congressional "representatives" gave their corporate sugar daddies.

So instead of feeling smug because some poor bastard down the block just had his house stolen right out from under him, maybe it's time for a little push back.

How about assembling a few hundred pissed off homeowners -- Second amendment rights advocates every single one of them -- who are or will be in foreclosure themselves fairly soon? How about showing up at the house to be stolen a couple hours before the posse and created an enforced perimeter? And repeating that model every time there's a new foreclosure notice posted on the county website.

If I could think of any other way to keep these scumbags' slimy hands off everybody's houses, I would have published a pamphlet by now. But all the decks are stacked in favor of money and power. All we have is numbers. If we're afraid or unwilling to use to combat a shared threat, this corporate crime wave will continue unchallenged.

And they'll never, ever stop because, for these parasites, there's no such thing as enough.


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  The Peoples' Bailout Of The PEOPLE! Christa  Nov-13-08 08:37 AM   #0 
   outrageously interesting!!!  grannie4peace   Nov-13-08 08:39 AM   #1 
   outrageously sure to turn those people into  SoCalDem   Nov-16-08 06:00 AM   #38 
   Is there something holding you back  democrat_patriot   Nov-13-08 08:43 AM   #2 
   Most banks won't negotiate  tnlurker   Nov-13-08 08:52 AM   #3 
   They will negotiate BEFORE 3 months period is reached  Bytemeister   Nov-13-08 09:14 AM   #6 
   The People's Bailout Plan Of The PEOPLE!  Bytemeister   Nov-13-08 09:05 AM   #4 
   And to the people currently trying to buy a home...  bunnies   Nov-13-08 09:14 AM   #5 
   We are at WAR...In WAR the FEW have ALWAYS SACRIFICED FOR THE MANY...  Bytemeister   Nov-13-08 09:32 AM   #8 
      Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-13-08 09:37 AM   #9 
         You will be better in the long run  Bytemeister   Nov-13-08 09:52 AM   #10 
            Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-13-08 09:55 AM   #11 
            I'm for it for a couple of reasons...  warren pease   Nov-16-08 05:59 PM   #44 
   What about all the folks with bad consumer credit debt?  Earth_First   Nov-13-08 09:22 AM   #7 
   We wiil negotiate all deragatory credit info will be excused  Bytemeister   Nov-13-08 10:18 AM   #14 
   I would say that it is a better plan...  kentuck   Nov-13-08 09:58 AM   #12 
   You are so right!  Bytemeister   Nov-13-08 10:29 AM   #15 
   That *person* has 4 posts all of which are in this thread.  bunnies   Nov-13-08 09:59 AM   #13 
   Only YOU, bunnies!  Bytemeister   Nov-13-08 10:33 AM   #16 
   It's the GOVERNMENT holding out, why just not pay taxes in '09?  jmg257   Nov-13-08 10:34 AM   #17 
   We want to FIX the Government, NOT Break it!  Bytemeister   Nov-13-08 11:15 AM   #18 
      OK - But they had a mandate from the govt in giving out those loans - for a long time now! nt  jmg257   Nov-13-08 01:10 PM   #19 
         ???  Bytemeister   Nov-13-08 01:19 PM   #20 
            Under the last 2 administrations, there was a concerted effort to increase home ownership rate,  jmg257   Nov-14-08 10:31 AM   #27 
   Actually it would only take about 10% - 15% of the people to utterly collapse the system.  greyhound1966   Nov-13-08 01:24 PM   #21 
   We must fight for OURSELVES!  Bytemeister   Nov-13-08 05:45 PM   #22 
   Sam Adams wrote to/about them over two hundred years ago;  greyhound1966   Nov-13-08 06:36 PM   #23 
   Does any one see a downside to this...I have answered ALL of your concerns  Bytemeister   Nov-14-08 09:56 AM   #25 
   At least Bytemeister is looking for a solution  Christa   Nov-14-08 09:52 AM   #24 
   We need positive energy, not name-calling. We must stand UNITED!  Bytemeister   Nov-14-08 10:09 AM   #26 
   I agree and have been looking for some way to bring people to the same conclusion  greyhound1966   Nov-14-08 12:26 PM   #29 
      Very disappointed  Bytemeister   Nov-14-08 09:57 PM   #30 
         No, they don't and I believe it is because they insist on judging the parasite class  greyhound1966   Nov-15-08 02:25 PM   #31 
   It's not just "the parasite class" that fears that.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-15-08 02:37 PM   #32 
      We have the ultimate power  Bytemeister   Nov-16-08 12:51 AM   #33 
      Except that the interests of your "we" don't coincide.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-16-08 02:35 AM   #36 
         Not looking for drones...just thoughtful people...  Bytemeister   Nov-16-08 11:51 AM   #40 
      true  Two Americas   Nov-16-08 01:04 AM   #34 
         As does anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of economics or cause and effect.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-16-08 02:37 AM   #37 
            not so  Two Americas   Nov-16-08 11:43 AM   #39 
            No one's talking about collapsing the system...  Bytemeister   Nov-16-08 12:01 PM   #41 
   ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Nov-14-08 10:31 AM   #28 
   General strikes seem to be the most effective. Interesting idea. n/t  ColbertWatcher   Nov-16-08 01:07 AM   #35 
   General strikes...  Bytemeister   Nov-16-08 12:05 PM   #42 
      "... strikes DO WORK and always have as long as the strikers stay united ..."  ColbertWatcher   Nov-16-08 02:03 PM   #43 
   Interesting.  20score   Nov-16-08 06:56 PM   #45 
   This is the craziest idea I've ever heard of.  TheGoldenRule   Nov-16-08 07:11 PM   #46 
      No one will lose their house...  Bytemeister   Nov-19-08 09:26 AM   #47 
 

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