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curse of greyface Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-08 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #33
37. So when gas goes back up and nobody has invested in alternative energy
or public transportation how will this guy cope.

Don't you wish we had been investing in public transportation since 1992. Imagine the jobs provided by an increased infrastructure.

You can't improve on the future without some pain.

This is the problem with America sometimes

Everyone wants a pain free solution

Well it doesn't exist. A little pain today or much more tomorrow.

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  -I just paid under $2.00 for gas. This would be a perfect time to Increase the gas tax a dollar. curse of greyface  Nov-11-08 09:29 AM   #0 
  - NO  Bryn   Nov-11-08 09:32 AM   #1 
  - Try thinking  tama   Nov-11-08 09:35 AM   #6 
  - People who were inclined to give Peak Oil consideration when  Texas Explorer   Nov-11-08 01:29 PM   #98 
  - So you are using more gas because the price is to cheap...  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 10:22 AM   #38 
     - Those two dogs are being trained to be my next service dogs  Bryn   Nov-11-08 10:44 AM   #50 
        - I wasn't judging (Honest officer) I was trying to make da point.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 10:46 AM   #51 
        - I am so sorry to hear about what happened to Shane....  OwnedByFerrets   Nov-11-08 12:48 PM   #92 
  - SS....I am barely making it are millions of others.....  OwnedByFerrets   Nov-11-08 09:32 AM   #2 
  - He's right  tama   Nov-11-08 09:38 AM   #9 
  - as one of those milions, I agree with you completely.  dana_b   Nov-11-08 02:39 PM   #115 
  - Someone  tama   Nov-11-08 09:33 AM   #3 
  - Well, the fossil fuel addicts would rather tax the nicotine addicts.  TahitiNut   Nov-11-08 12:17 PM   #87 
     - And this nicotine addict wants to  leftynyc   Nov-11-08 02:13 PM   #110 
        - As a designated driver for two decades who's "fallen off the wagon" by doctor's orders ....  TahitiNut   Nov-11-08 03:07 PM   #127 
           - I just object to people wanting to tax  leftynyc   Nov-11-08 03:20 PM   #131 
           - Well, maybe we'll see more gasoline being sold ...  TahitiNut   Nov-11-08 03:43 PM   #134 
           - Sorry. Dupe  leftynyc   Nov-11-08 03:20 PM   #132 
  - No way! Bad, bad, bad idea.  Dappleganger   Nov-11-08 09:33 AM   #4 
  - So when we run out of oil in your lifetime what then? nt  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 02:03 PM   #109 
     - Peak oil is a myth...  ddeclue   Nov-11-08 05:14 PM   #160 
        - Oil is not evenly distributed across the planet  NickB79   Nov-11-08 09:24 PM   #191 
  - A huge regressive tax?  gollygee   Nov-11-08 09:34 AM   #5 
  - Actually, we should get the new Administration to review all regressive taxes.....  FredMertz   Nov-11-08 09:48 AM   #15 
  - How many minimum wage workers buy gas now?  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 09:52 AM   #19 
     - No- we are not europe  Marrah_G   Nov-11-08 10:05 AM   #30 
     - Very well put .. even Democrats need to realize that those at the bottom  FredMertz   Nov-11-08 10:27 AM   #43 
     - Plenty of people in Europe drive. (Have you been to Spain or Ireland talk about rural.)  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 12:12 PM   #85 
     - No one is saying thos things aren't good  Marrah_G   Nov-11-08 12:44 PM   #91 
        - Why do people in America (I'm including myself here) own cars with bad mileage.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 01:43 PM   #104 
           - No, we aren't forced to this time  gollygee   Nov-11-08 01:49 PM   #106 
           - We will run out of "Affordable" oil in forty years.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 02:33 PM   #113 
              - We can prepare by taxing the oil companies  gollygee   Nov-11-08 04:04 PM   #142 
                 - You might gain some ground by taxing the wealthy but  flstci   Nov-11-08 05:13 PM   #159 
                    - Yeah that isn't a great solution either  gollygee   Nov-11-08 05:15 PM   #162 
           - Why do I not have one?  Marrah_G   Nov-11-08 02:41 PM   #116 
     - Too many people  gaspee   Nov-11-08 02:21 PM   #112 
     - No, Europe is larger than the USA.  MattSh   Nov-12-08 09:44 AM   #199 
        - larger yes- but with about 4 times the population density  Marrah_G   Nov-12-08 10:18 AM   #201 
     - Please make believe I said "working poor"  FredMertz   Nov-11-08 10:22 AM   #39 
     - yeah, public transportation is just great in this country. NOT.  cali   Nov-11-08 10:58 AM   #61 
  - No one is saying the Bush tax cuts shouldn't be reversed.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 09:50 AM   #17 
  - The poorest of the poor in a place where public transportation is available won't be hurt  gollygee   Nov-11-08 09:53 AM   #20 
     - Indeed, often in the richest parts of the country  intheflow   Nov-11-08 01:55 PM   #108 
  - Yep. Now, private jet fuel...  RUMMYisFROSTED   Nov-11-08 09:59 AM   #26 
  - No thanks - sooner or later the price will go up again, and that tax won't go away.  jmg257   Nov-11-08 09:36 AM   #7 
  - Higher gas prices are coming sooner than later  itsrobert   Nov-11-08 09:37 AM   #8 
  - Sorry cog  tama   Nov-11-08 09:39 AM   #10 
  - This is a large structural problem.  MPK   Nov-11-08 10:03 AM   #29 
  - Your countrymen (and women) are hungry and having trouble heating their houses  gollygee   Nov-11-08 10:07 AM   #32 
  - Did you see the thread about food banks in the US running out of money  renie408   Nov-11-08 10:27 AM   #44 
  - What Country do you live in, so we can judge you and your countrymen?  Blue State Native   Nov-11-08 11:11 AM   #65 
  - Wow, anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot .... wow. N/T  flstci   Nov-11-08 11:26 AM   #74 
  - We don't live in a command economy or a dictatorship in the United States...  ddeclue   Nov-11-08 06:23 PM   #176 
  - No, that's a horrible horrible idea  tammywammy   Nov-11-08 09:40 AM   #11 
  - Yep. Two words to describe this well intentioned and in a perfect world a good idea:  elocs   Nov-11-08 09:43 AM   #12 
  - Our gas taxes are to low. We need to raise them at some point.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 09:44 AM   #13 
     - Not everyone can afford to run out and buy a Prius  gollygee   Nov-11-08 09:47 AM   #14 
     - That's the risk you take  tammywammy   Nov-11-08 09:49 AM   #16 
     - I remember when gas was $4, many said that we should have taxed gas when it was much cheaper,  pampango   Nov-11-08 09:54 AM   #22 
     - Reminds me of that Daily Show video with the woman complaining about America losing jobs.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 10:06 AM   #31 
        - I can afford it  gollygee   Nov-11-08 10:09 AM   #34 
        - This tax would be extraordinarily regressive!  ddeclue   Nov-11-08 05:34 PM   #164 
     - You are wrong  Marrah_G   Nov-11-08 10:09 AM   #33 
     - So when gas goes back up and nobody has invested in alternative energy  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 10:21 AM   #37 
        - You don't get it- You are putting the pain on those least able to do anything about the problem  Marrah_G   Nov-11-08 10:47 AM   #52 
     - don't you live in a smug little world where buyijng a fuel efficient car is  cali   Nov-11-08 11:02 AM   #64 
     - I drive a 1995 Crown Vic. Boy I guess "you" dodged a bullet when the 2000 election was stolen.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 11:21 AM   #71 
        - Then if it's so "easy" to go out and get a more fuel-efficient vehicle,  iris27   Nov-11-08 03:57 PM   #139 
     - Like all those Americans who uhhh deliver your groceries? N/T  flstci   Nov-11-08 11:28 AM   #75 
     - So then why don't we tax the daylights out of any NEW purchase of a gashog.  iris27   Nov-11-08 03:53 PM   #138 
     - dupe  iris27   Nov-11-08 04:00 PM   #140 
     - Absolutely WRONG...  ddeclue   Nov-11-08 06:26 PM   #177 
  - Wrong.  MPK   Nov-11-08 09:51 AM   #18 
  - EXCELLENT IDEA!!!  Herman74   Nov-11-08 09:53 AM   #21 
  - The Netherlands is 8000 sq mi smaller than West Virginia. No shit  renie408   Nov-11-08 10:33 AM   #47 
  - Also very densely populated  Marrah_G   Nov-12-08 10:22 AM   #202 
  - yeah, sure, I'd LOVE a 90-minute bicycle commute to my job...thanks! n/t  iris27   Nov-11-08 04:03 PM   #141 
  - That's insane. I am extremely happy that gas has finally come down.  RebelOne   Nov-11-08 09:54 AM   #23 
  - NO- JUST FUCKING NO  Marrah_G   Nov-11-08 09:54 AM   #24 
  - just because it's down now...does not mean it will stay down  Gin   Nov-11-08 09:58 AM   #25 
  - Are you mad?  danalytical   Nov-11-08 09:59 AM   #27 
  - the taxes raised go into a black hole. we're 4 trillion dollars in debt  bigtree   Nov-11-08 10:03 AM   #28 
  - I agree. (boy do I agree) but revenue gains is only part of this.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 10:13 AM   #35 
  - Not everyone can afford $3.00 gas like you apparently can. nt  Kahuna   Nov-11-08 10:20 AM   #36 
  - I've been unemployed for 11 months and have a 1995 crown vic.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 10:23 AM   #41 
     - Yet you can afford to donate to the DU. That is probably NOT the choice I would have  renie408   Nov-11-08 10:37 AM   #48 
     - I love this... let me savor for a moment.... My star was donated  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 10:44 AM   #49 
     - I apologize for the donation comment...  renie408   Nov-11-08 10:55 AM   #58 
        - It's not a depression. You haven't seen a depression until you lived through the 1930s.  Selatius   Nov-11-08 02:50 PM   #122 
           - True that. Heck this isn't early Eighties bad yet. nt  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 07:06 PM   #182 
     - Many people who can afford it donate stars to those who can't  Marrah_G   Nov-11-08 10:49 AM   #55 
     - I apologize for the rude comment. It was a cheap shot on my part..  Kahuna   Nov-11-08 04:13 PM   #144 
     - No problem  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 04:17 PM   #145 
     - I'll bet my pick-up gets better mileage than your car,  flstci   Nov-11-08 05:17 PM   #163 
  - Yes  jaksavage   Nov-11-08 10:22 AM   #40 
  - $4/gallon gas is what put the economy over the cliff. We may be able  dkofos   Nov-11-08 10:27 AM   #42 
  - And the politician who never wants to be reelected again and wants to be hounded out of office  renie408   Nov-11-08 10:28 AM   #45 
  - only if  GTRMAN   Nov-11-08 10:31 AM   #46 
  - I agree universal Health care needs to be implemented.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 11:31 AM   #76 
     - exactly  GTRMAN   Nov-11-08 11:37 AM   #77 
  - Well, we're still paying over $3.50 here, so no thanks. n/t  greyhound1966   Nov-11-08 10:47 AM   #53 
  - Call me paranoid, but the reason gas is so low right now  CaptJasHook   Nov-11-08 10:48 AM   #54 
  - I think it actually will STAY down now that we have control of all the elected branches...  ddeclue   Nov-11-08 05:40 PM   #166 
  - Really Dumb Idea, And Obviously The Product Of Someone Who Knows Very Little As To What They're  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-11-08 10:50 AM   #56 
  - Some people are external processors, some internal  CaptJasHook   Nov-11-08 10:55 AM   #59 
  - It might not come off as idiocy if it were couched in different terms.  renie408   Nov-11-08 10:58 AM   #60 
  - Perhaps, I just mean that perhaps you are being a little harsh  CaptJasHook   Nov-11-08 11:02 AM   #62 
  - See my response to OMC below...  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 11:15 AM   #69 
  - My momma told me to THINK before your SPEAK...  ddeclue   Nov-11-08 05:49 PM   #167 
  - I don't know I think I'm in pretty good company.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 11:02 AM   #63 
     - Just Because You Can Find Others With The Same Bad Idea. . .  ProfessorGAC   Nov-11-08 11:40 AM   #78 
  - Hell, no!  notsodumbhillbilly   Nov-11-08 10:53 AM   #57 
  - Go to hell.  Throd   Nov-11-08 11:11 AM   #66 
  - So I can mark you down as a no.... let me ask you? What are you doing to combat  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 11:44 AM   #81 
     - Apparently, we want solutions that do not increase our costs or affect our jobs or incomes.  pampango   Nov-11-08 01:06 PM   #95 
        - We want solutions that won't cause us or our children to go hungry  gollygee   Nov-11-08 01:32 PM   #100 
           - So three dollar a gallon gas with a third of the cost going to the government  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 01:38 PM   #102 
              - Well yes actually although it's not what you're thinking  gollygee   Nov-11-08 01:41 PM   #103 
              - You are assuming gas is going to stay down  Marrah_G   Nov-11-08 02:44 PM   #118 
                 - No it is going higher ...much higher. We are in the eye of the storm.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 02:50 PM   #123 
                    - This is a mindless assertion NOT based on ANY facts.  ddeclue   Nov-11-08 06:05 PM   #172 
                       - You keep posting this same bullshit don't you?  Nihil   Nov-12-08 03:41 AM   #196 
  - go higher and rebate  walktall7   Nov-11-08 11:12 AM   #67 
  - I'd like to see the economy rebound a good deal before something like this is even considered.  alison   Nov-11-08 11:14 AM   #68 
  - I would like to add:  MPK   Nov-11-08 11:20 AM   #70 
  - Bad, bad idea.  flstci   Nov-11-08 11:24 AM   #72 
  - Are you out of your DAMNED mind? n/t  demdog78   Nov-11-08 11:24 AM   #73 
  - Your idea sucks  JVS   Nov-11-08 11:41 AM   #79 
  - If nothing else  NoMoreMyths   Nov-11-08 11:42 AM   #80 
  - Are you rural?  flstci   Nov-11-08 11:46 AM   #82 
  - No i have been an would love to be again but can't afford it.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 12:07 PM   #84 
     - In 10 years  flstci   Nov-11-08 12:40 PM   #90 
     - Peak Oil is a myth...  ddeclue   Nov-11-08 06:37 PM   #179 
        - And NO oil has been found EXCEPT on the Continental shelves.  happyslug   Nov-12-08 09:37 PM   #206 
  - A straight tax increase won't work, but don't think the low prices will last if action isn't taken.  backscatter712   Nov-11-08 12:01 PM   #83 
  - No freaking way.  Radical Activist   Nov-11-08 12:14 PM   #86 
  - A large tax credit could offset completely the increased burden to the poor  wuushew   Nov-11-08 12:26 PM   #88 
  - When you live paycheck to paycheck a tax credit in february doesn't mean much in july.  Marrah_G   Nov-11-08 12:49 PM   #93 
     - Maybe the credit could operate like the stimulus checks  wuushew   Nov-11-08 03:02 PM   #126 
  - Not having a choice isn't the same as "willing" ...  Ghost in the Machine   Nov-11-08 12:32 PM   #89 
  - Nope, Regressive Tax  lligrd   Nov-11-08 12:55 PM   #94 
  - Agreed, only if the funds are dedicated to the development of an electric  loindelrio   Nov-11-08 01:16 PM   #96 
  - Absolutely agree. I wrote a paper in 1977 advocating a 50-cent tax  Ron_Green   Nov-11-08 01:16 PM   #97 
  - FYI: John Anderson got 6% of the vote...  ddeclue   Nov-11-08 06:10 PM   #173 
  - Our gas tax has not been adjusted for inflation. it is only .25 cents a gallon.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 08:15 PM   #185 
  - FYI: John Anderson got 6% of the vote...  ddeclue   Nov-11-08 06:10 PM   #174 
     - LOL! So you're a Reagan fan, is that it?  Ron_Green   Nov-12-08 12:33 AM   #192 
  - Do it gradually  Mark Baker   Nov-11-08 01:29 PM   #99 
  - Finally! A sensible post!  Nihil   Nov-12-08 03:44 AM   #197 
  - I was never willing to pay $4.00/gallon. I was forced to.  funkybug   Nov-11-08 01:33 PM   #101 
  - Horrible idea  socordsx   Nov-11-08 01:43 PM   #105 
  - I have a problem paying for gas.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 01:53 PM   #107 
  - We've controlled the government less than a week and you already want to give it back to gop?  no limit   Nov-11-08 02:16 PM   #111 
  - NO!! We have to pay for the bailout, we have to pay for  dana_b   Nov-11-08 02:37 PM   #114 
  - "We need the money..."  slackmaster   Nov-11-08 02:43 PM   #117 
  - I'm speechless. you know that is the argument for Republican tax cuts. nt  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 02:47 PM   #119 
     - Just as "We need the money" is the argument for Socialist confiscatory taxes  slackmaster   Nov-11-08 02:48 PM   #120 
  - Spoken like someone who has escaped the pain  JNelson6563   Nov-11-08 02:49 PM   #121 
  - Not if you increased the Minimum Wage and shored up poverty-relief programs.  Selatius   Nov-11-08 02:54 PM   #124 
  - Fair enough. Those two things along with Universal Health care should be a given. nt  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 02:59 PM   #125 
  - While Alaska's "governor"  Blue_In_AK   Nov-11-08 03:07 PM   #128 
  - The contempt for the rural working class on DU never fails to astound me  WildEyedLiberal   Nov-11-08 03:10 PM   #129 
  - x2 N/T  flstci   Nov-11-08 04:18 PM   #146 
  - I don't know where you live but...  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-08 03:11 PM   #130 
  - So you need mass transit. A gas tax can provide mass transit.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 03:37 PM   #133 
     - Now your changing what you propose  Ohio Joe   Nov-11-08 04:20 PM   #147 
     - Most local mass transit receives grant monies from the federal government .  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 08:28 PM   #186 
     - You apparently have NO idea of the geographic scale of many Americans' lives...  ddeclue   Nov-11-08 06:42 PM   #180 
  - Yeah, because I can afford to put gas in my car.  Tilion   Nov-11-08 03:45 PM   #135 
  - No, that would be a regressive tax  Dumak   Nov-11-08 03:52 PM   #136 
  - YES! Thank you. I don't get why no one else comes to this conclusion!  iris27   Nov-11-08 04:22 PM   #148 
  - The term gas guzzler is relative  taterguy   Nov-11-08 05:00 PM   #154 
     - OP is proposing a huge gas tax and you can't even afford  flstci   Nov-11-08 05:09 PM   #157 
        - Back tire is fine, it just has a different type of thread than the front one  taterguy   Nov-11-08 05:15 PM   #161 
           - Oooops! LOL  flstci   Nov-11-08 06:32 PM   #178 
              - I only use water for long distance rides  taterguy   Nov-12-08 04:22 AM   #198 
  - damn what is wrong with SOME people  bobbydem   Nov-11-08 04:26 PM   #149 
  - A gas tax efficiently taxes just those people.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 04:38 PM   #150 
     - Poor people sometimes have to drive distances and often have bad cars  gollygee   Nov-11-08 04:39 PM   #151 
  - when we are in a HUGE hole..stop digging  bobbydem   Nov-11-08 03:53 PM   #137 
  - Sigh, worst economic disaster in our lifetimes and you want to raise gas taxes....  RollWithIt   Nov-11-08 04:08 PM   #143 
  - A win win is me paying less for petrol....I have to drive a vehicle to work.  ileus   Nov-11-08 04:45 PM   #152 
  - Give me a break,  Sewsojm   Nov-11-08 04:57 PM   #153 
  - NO - I can't afford this expensive gas crap any more...  ddeclue   Nov-11-08 05:01 PM   #155 
  - Hello!!! I aplogized for the rude remark. I still don't want $3 gas,,  Kahuna   Nov-11-08 05:03 PM   #156 
  - Why don't we just tax the rich and spend it on alternative energy  gravity   Nov-11-08 05:13 PM   #158 
  - is coming and some of us are already having to heat our homes  carlyhippy   Nov-11-08 05:38 PM   #165 
  - Or you could cut defense budget in half and end the war.  Evoman   Nov-11-08 05:53 PM   #168 
  - Yeah right, then we'd have to bail out Halliburton, GE, Bechtel, etc. nm  rhett o rick   Nov-11-08 06:03 PM   #170 
  - SOCIALISM SOCIALISM SOCIALISM SOCIALISM --Good idea. nm  rhett o rick   Nov-11-08 06:01 PM   #169 
  - Are you nucking futs?  Lil Missy   Nov-11-08 06:05 PM   #171 
  - No, at this point in time we need that extra dollar to be used...  yawnmaster   Nov-11-08 06:18 PM   #175 
  - YES - this phoenomena is known as "inelastic demand"  ddeclue   Nov-11-08 06:47 PM   #181 
     - We know demand is elastic Doug since consumption fell dramatically due to price increases.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 09:00 PM   #188 
     - We know demand is elastic Doug since consumption fell dramatically due to price increases.  curse of greyface   Nov-11-08 09:00 PM   #189 
     - In rural areas you will see a reduction in use given the higher price  happyslug   Nov-12-08 10:19 PM   #207 
  - No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  mbergen   Nov-11-08 07:10 PM   #183 
  - Maybe you can convince Obama to do that in January.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-11-08 07:22 PM   #184 
  - nice try Pelosi.  ohio2007   Nov-11-08 08:38 PM   #187 
  - Oil companies are keeping gas prices low to influence school board primaries  Telly Savalas   Nov-11-08 09:09 PM   #190 
  - Heh. nt  Occam Bandage   Nov-12-08 10:24 AM   #205 
  - This is one of the dumbest things ever posted at DU.  donheld   Nov-12-08 12:44 AM   #193 
  - I read an article at CNN/Money suggesting this same thing today  tritsofme   Nov-12-08 01:23 AM   #194 
  - do you KNOW any poor people?  Skittles   Nov-12-08 02:24 AM   #195 
  - The OP is eating granite. Just FYI.  MPK   Nov-12-08 09:48 AM   #200 
  - YAY Mods!  Marrah_G   Nov-12-08 10:23 AM   #203 
     - Why the celebration?  wuushew   Nov-12-08 10:27 PM   #210 
  - I'm in favor of raising the gas tax. A dollar seems excessive. nt  Occam Bandage   Nov-12-08 10:24 AM   #204 
  - i saw a hummer out driving around today  orleans   Nov-12-08 10:20 PM   #208 
  - You'd have a better chance of legalizing all drugs than raising the gas tax  Hippo_Tron   Nov-12-08 10:23 PM   #209 
  - Locking  krispos42   Nov-13-08 01:08 AM   #211 

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