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17. maybe you need to have that debate with folks who declare themselves socialists
I think most folks can tell the difference between those who support 'centrist' positions and those who advocate for the 'left' of our party, as in the Iraq debate and on issues like abortion rights. Socialism, while certainly a leftist concept, is, in many ways, a separate philosophy from that of the Democratic left.
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  -The mood of the Obama transition has been decidedly centrist bigtree  Nov-10-08 09:08 PM   #0 
  - I Think All The People And Decisions Made So Far Have Been Perfect.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-10-08 09:09 PM   #1 
  - that doesn't answer my question at all  bigtree   Nov-10-08 09:10 PM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-10-08 09:57 PM   #21 
  - wow gee big surprise there.  FarceOfNature   Nov-10-08 10:38 PM   #28 
  - Me, too  Tallison   Nov-11-08 09:44 PM   #119 
  - excellent transition. nt.  IndianaJones   Nov-10-08 09:10 PM   #2 
  - where are the progressives?  bigtree   Nov-10-08 09:10 PM   #5 
     - he's not done yet. I think we will see a nice balance. nt.  IndianaJones   Nov-10-08 09:11 PM   #6 
  - Would this work?  babylonsister   Nov-10-08 09:10 PM   #4 
  - hey, that's intriguing  bigtree   Nov-10-08 09:14 PM   #8 
     - Just announced today, so probably not much yet. But give it time.  babylonsister   Nov-10-08 09:16 PM   #9 
        - Lux is a dynamic thinker  bigtree   Nov-10-08 09:20 PM   #12 
  - Pete Rouse has managed his senate office  sandnsea   Nov-10-08 09:13 PM   #7 
  - I don't equate our Democratic left with 'socialism'  bigtree   Nov-10-08 09:19 PM   #11 
  - There are DUers who are proud that they're socialists  sandnsea   Nov-10-08 09:31 PM   #15 
     - maybe you need to have that debate with folks who declare themselves socialists  bigtree   Nov-10-08 09:38 PM   #17 
     - Iraq? Abortion? WTF are you talking about?  sandnsea   Nov-10-08 10:11 PM   #23 
        - you can't convince me that there aren't important differences  bigtree   Nov-10-08 10:20 PM   #25 
        - None of that is an issue right now  sandnsea   Nov-10-08 10:34 PM   #27 
           - Is this a discussion board or a cheerleading session?  bigtree   Nov-10-08 10:42 PM   #29 
           - You're not discussing anything  sandnsea   Nov-10-08 11:18 PM   #40 
           - back again?  bigtree   Nov-10-08 11:20 PM   #41 
           - Funny how some posters will take a stand on Prop 8 but CELEBRATE other outrages.  Leopolds Ghost   Nov-11-08 10:34 AM   #77 
           - hey bigtree  Skittles   Nov-11-08 07:52 PM   #115 
              - I was actually trying to figure out who he was talking to  Horse with no Name   Nov-12-08 03:11 AM   #127 
           - "I guarantee you there will be plenty of very real things that you will not be happy about"  Leopolds Ghost   Nov-11-08 10:30 AM   #74 
           - "I guarantee you there will be plenty of very real things that you will not be happy about"  Leopolds Ghost   Nov-11-08 10:30 AM   #75 
        - Emanuel is extremely pro-war.  mirror wall   Nov-11-08 09:16 AM   #60 
     - I don't even pretend I'm a Democrat, much less "the heart of the Democratic Party"  kenzee13   Nov-11-08 09:04 AM   #55 
     - Obama is a socialist.  Leopolds Ghost   Nov-11-08 10:25 AM   #72 
     - The bailout was the complete opposite of socialism. It was capitalism under plutocracy.  readmoreoften   Nov-11-08 04:24 PM   #95 
     - I'm well aware that we socialists are fringe and in fact, I don't know that socialism  tavalon   Nov-11-08 11:14 PM   #122 
  - Podesta  GregD   Nov-10-08 09:22 PM   #13 
  - He's a hard worker and dedicated to Democratic principles and action  bigtree   Nov-10-08 09:28 PM   #14 
  - You trot out socialism the minute someone talks about anything left of Clinton / Reagan / Bush 1  Leopolds Ghost   Nov-11-08 10:18 AM   #68 
  - so all liberal democrats are socialists?  leftofthedial   Nov-11-08 10:23 AM   #70 
  - Obama sought out and got The New Party endorsement in his '96 state senate run.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-11-08 07:26 PM   #110 
  - Mike Lux, too. He's a bona fide progressive.  TexasObserver   Nov-10-08 09:18 PM   #10 
  - When he makes Richardson SOS I'll be happier  shadowknows69   Nov-10-08 09:34 PM   #16 
  - You think? I'd peg him more in a diplomatic post. Maybe not. So  babylonsister   Nov-10-08 09:41 PM   #18 
  - he was initially bullish on invading Iraq  bigtree   Nov-10-08 09:43 PM   #19 
  - Yep. Check out Obama's economic advisors here:  TheGoldenRule   Nov-10-08 09:55 PM   #20 
  - Why do you bother hanging out here? You have always despised Obama.  babylonsister   Nov-10-08 10:20 PM   #24 
  - Some of us enjoy GR's posts and appreciate his/her candor.  FarceOfNature   Nov-10-08 10:44 PM   #30 
  - For starters, Obama has never been DLC-look it up.  babylonsister   Nov-10-08 10:57 PM   #34 
  - all true  Two Americas   Nov-11-08 03:12 PM   #83 
  - One needn't be a card carrying member to support DLC  notsodumbhillbilly   Nov-11-08 03:21 PM   #85 
  - Thank you, I appreciate that!  TheGoldenRule   Nov-11-08 03:25 AM   #46 
  - Well said (n/t)  kenzee13   Nov-11-08 09:05 AM   #56 
  - Good post! n/t  QC   Nov-11-08 09:08 AM   #58 
  - we need all voices  Two Americas   Nov-11-08 03:02 PM   #82 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-10-08 10:45 PM   #31 
  - No, I don't despise Obama. I want him to support the left and I want his promises kept.  TheGoldenRule   Nov-11-08 03:22 AM   #45 
  - "change we can believe in!!1"  jonnyblitz   Nov-10-08 10:54 PM   #33 
  - He is a big change.  jaredh   Nov-10-08 11:37 PM   #43 
  - he's a "free trade" corporatist  leftofthedial   Nov-11-08 10:25 AM   #71 
     - You are absolutely correct.  TheGoldenRule   Nov-11-08 02:39 PM   #80 
        - even if he stays right of center, where he is so far  leftofthedial   Nov-11-08 05:00 PM   #98 
  - Obama ran as a centrist. Why is anyone surprised that he governing as one?  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-10-08 09:58 PM   #22 
  - I question whether a centrist stance can produce the clear change promised  bigtree   Nov-10-08 10:25 PM   #26 
  - Obama will be centrist in style.  TexasObserver   Nov-10-08 11:00 PM   #36 
  - he'll be pragmatic  bigtree   Nov-10-08 11:13 PM   #39 
     - He'll be pragmatic unless history intervenes  tavalon   Nov-11-08 11:23 PM   #123 
  - I'm sure that he will appoint a few token 'progressives'  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-11-08 08:45 AM   #52 
  - He said something back in the campaign that stuck in my mind  TheDoorbellRang   Nov-11-08 08:40 PM   #117 
  - Because voters are trending left.  closeupready   Nov-10-08 10:48 PM   #32 
     - They are trending from the right to the center  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-11-08 08:46 AM   #53 
     - Says who? They just elected the most liberal member of the Senate as President.  closeupready   Nov-11-08 09:27 AM   #61 
        - Obama did not run as a liberal, and many of the new members of Congrss are centrists  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-11-08 09:49 AM   #63 
        - Everyone knows Obama's Senate voting record is one of the most liberal, if not THE most liberal.  closeupready   Nov-11-08 10:12 AM   #66 
           - yes and no  Two Americas   Nov-11-08 03:19 PM   #84 
           - Obama's voting record is not even close to being the  paulk   Nov-11-08 07:36 PM   #112 
        - Despite the rights constant drumroll to that effect, it isn't true  tavalon   Nov-11-08 11:24 PM   #124 
     - absolutely  Two Americas   Nov-11-08 02:52 PM   #81 
  - I think the early "shots across the bow" of Bushco policies have been great.  pinto   Nov-10-08 10:58 PM   #35 
  - yeah, on Gitmo, mining, stem cells  bigtree   Nov-10-08 11:02 PM   #37 
  - Me too. The message from the transition team that all fed agency policies will be reviewed,  pinto   Nov-10-08 11:10 PM   #38 
  - I agree. He's going to reverse hundreds of policies the first day.  TexasObserver   Nov-10-08 11:23 PM   #42 
  - Agree. He'll have some good support in Congress, as well.  pinto   Nov-10-08 11:43 PM   #44 
  - According To Some Morons That Makes You A Freeper Who Wants All Far Right People Appointed.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-11-08 06:32 AM   #49 
  - No it hasn't. The first things he's planning on doing-  cali   Nov-11-08 03:31 AM   #47 
  - another arrogant slam by cali, as if your opinion was the ONLY one that mattered  bigtree   Nov-11-08 08:36 AM   #50 
  - It'd be nice to see him hire real progressive liberals like Kucinich.  Lumpsum   Nov-11-08 03:56 AM   #48 
  - Perhaps if Kucinich had supported Obama instead of running another Quixotic campaign  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-11-08 09:57 AM   #65 
  - .  yibbehobba   Nov-11-08 08:37 AM   #51 
  - Politics as usual from a centrist.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-11-08 08:51 AM   #54 
  - The first job of a president after an ugly campaign is to try to bring the country back together  gollygee   Nov-11-08 09:07 AM   #57 
  - What exactly is the "center"  gorbal   Nov-11-08 09:11 AM   #59 
  - Unclear what "center" means, but we do know that Americans elected as President the most liberal  closeupready   Nov-11-08 09:29 AM   #62 
  - It's where both liberals and conservatives criticize you  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-11-08 09:51 AM   #64 
  - If, as the corporate media does, you define the right as centrist, you are right.  leftofthedial   Nov-11-08 10:14 AM   #67 
  - Jeebus the honeymoon was short.  lonestarnot   Nov-11-08 10:20 AM   #69 
  - c'mon. For starters, I don't see how why we're supposed to sit back  bigtree   Nov-11-08 10:26 AM   #73 
     - Guess I'm a little more than worried about this  lonestarnot   Nov-11-08 10:33 AM   #76 
        - that screed by Weil is sure getting play  bigtree   Nov-11-08 10:42 AM   #78 
           - Yes where the hell is Krugman anyway?  lonestarnot   Nov-11-08 10:46 AM   #79 
  - I think you are confusing mood with individual appointments.  AtomicKitten   Nov-11-08 03:26 PM   #86 
  - I don't think I'm confusing anything. Of course, we'll see what his policies are  bigtree   Nov-11-08 03:41 PM   #87 
     - Until he takes office 1-20-09, we're all just guessing.  AtomicKitten   Nov-11-08 03:49 PM   #88 
        - well, the query in the op is reasonable enough.  bigtree   Nov-11-08 03:52 PM   #90 
           - did you see this?  AtomicKitten   Nov-11-08 03:53 PM   #91 
              - yep, answered to it upthread  bigtree   Nov-11-08 03:54 PM   #92 
  - I hope there are progressives coming...  Tilion   Nov-11-08 03:50 PM   #89 
  - I think what you will find is that many Primary Clinton supporters will love Obama more each day.  jesus_of_suburbia   Nov-11-08 04:10 PM   #93 
  - trust-em politics  bigtree   Nov-11-08 04:18 PM   #94 
  - I always assumed Obama would govern even to the right of Clinton.  readmoreoften   Nov-11-08 04:26 PM   #96 
  - Yikes!  H2O Man   Nov-11-08 04:47 PM   #97 
  - well,  bigtree   Nov-11-08 05:01 PM   #99 
     - What struck me the most  H2O Man   Nov-11-08 05:14 PM   #100 
     - 'We all have different points of view.'  bigtree   Nov-11-08 05:57 PM   #102 
     - re: being perplexed about wait and see  AtomicKitten   Nov-11-08 06:37 PM   #105 
        - Interesting.  H2O Man   Nov-11-08 07:59 PM   #116 
           - I look forward to seeing what a community organizer can do with this mess.  AtomicKitten   Nov-11-08 10:25 PM   #120 
  - He was the Democratic Party candidate not the Progressive Party candidate  cobalt1999   Nov-11-08 05:28 PM   #101 
  - that center shifted to the right in every bill Democrats voted with republicans on  bigtree   Nov-11-08 06:19 PM   #103 
  - Slightly left of center????  readmoreoften   Nov-11-08 06:26 PM   #104 
  - god, I hope so.  Lerkfish   Nov-11-08 06:56 PM   #106 
  - I'm not seeing any signs of it.  LWolf   Nov-11-08 07:03 PM   #107 
  - I think you've got it just right about where to focus your political energy  bigtree   Nov-11-08 07:09 PM   #108 
  - The "mood" is centrist. What does that mean?  Turn CO Blue   Nov-11-08 07:17 PM   #109 
  - first of all you can take your 'suspicions' about my 'motivations' and shove them  bigtree   Nov-11-08 07:36 PM   #111 
  - The transition team isn't going to fold because we don't like this appointment or that  tavalon   Nov-12-08 02:12 AM   #126 
  - Obama is somewhat centrist himself  Truth Teller   Nov-11-08 07:48 PM   #113 
  - Given that he's barely appointed anyone yet, I think we ought to wait  liberalpragmatist   Nov-11-08 07:52 PM   #114 
  - Seems like Obama will govern like Bill Clinton, minus the scandals  MathGuy   Nov-11-08 09:40 PM   #118 
  - He's a centrist  tavalon   Nov-11-08 11:09 PM   #121 
  - The weather this winter has been decidedly warmer. Better not buy new skis.  asSEENonTV   Nov-11-08 11:26 PM   #125 

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