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Mon Nov-10-08 09:31 PM
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| 15. There are DUers who are proud that they're socialists |
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I have no idea why they pretend they're the heart of the Democratic Party, or even the left of the party. People think Bernie Sanders should be Obama's chief of staff or white house advisor. He's a socialist. Obama is highly unlikely to have any socialists in the White House, or even any Greens or those close to it. I really don't know why that is so difficult to understand.
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| -The mood of the Obama transition has been decidedly centrist |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 09:08 PM |
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I Think All The People And Decisions Made So Far Have Been Perfect. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-10-08 09:09 PM |
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that doesn't answer my question at all |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 09:10 PM |
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Nov-10-08 09:57 PM |
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wow gee big surprise there. |
FarceOfNature |
Nov-10-08 10:38 PM |
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Me, too |
Tallison |
Nov-11-08 09:44 PM |
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excellent transition. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Nov-10-08 09:10 PM |
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where are the progressives? |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 09:10 PM |
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he's not done yet. I think we will see a nice balance. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Nov-10-08 09:11 PM |
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Would this work? |
babylonsister |
Nov-10-08 09:10 PM |
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hey, that's intriguing |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 09:14 PM |
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Just announced today, so probably not much yet. But give it time. |
babylonsister |
Nov-10-08 09:16 PM |
#9 |
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Lux is a dynamic thinker |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 09:20 PM |
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Pete Rouse has managed his senate office |
sandnsea |
Nov-10-08 09:13 PM |
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I don't equate our Democratic left with 'socialism' |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 09:19 PM |
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There are DUers who are proud that they're socialists |
sandnsea |
Nov-10-08 09:31 PM |
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maybe you need to have that debate with folks who declare themselves socialists |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 09:38 PM |
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Iraq? Abortion? WTF are you talking about? |
sandnsea |
Nov-10-08 10:11 PM |
#23 |
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you can't convince me that there aren't important differences |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 10:20 PM |
#25 |
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None of that is an issue right now |
sandnsea |
Nov-10-08 10:34 PM |
#27 |
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Is this a discussion board or a cheerleading session? |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 10:42 PM |
#29 |
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You're not discussing anything |
sandnsea |
Nov-10-08 11:18 PM |
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back again? |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 11:20 PM |
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Funny how some posters will take a stand on Prop 8 but CELEBRATE other outrages. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Nov-11-08 10:34 AM |
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hey bigtree |
Skittles |
Nov-11-08 07:52 PM |
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I was actually trying to figure out who he was talking to |
Horse with no Name |
Nov-12-08 03:11 AM |
#127 |
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"I guarantee you there will be plenty of very real things that you will not be happy about" |
Leopolds Ghost |
Nov-11-08 10:30 AM |
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"I guarantee you there will be plenty of very real things that you will not be happy about" |
Leopolds Ghost |
Nov-11-08 10:30 AM |
#75 |
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Emanuel is extremely pro-war. |
mirror wall |
Nov-11-08 09:16 AM |
#60 |
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I don't even pretend I'm a Democrat, much less "the heart of the Democratic Party" |
kenzee13 |
Nov-11-08 09:04 AM |
#55 |
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Obama is a socialist. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Nov-11-08 10:25 AM |
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The bailout was the complete opposite of socialism. It was capitalism under plutocracy. |
readmoreoften |
Nov-11-08 04:24 PM |
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I'm well aware that we socialists are fringe and in fact, I don't know that socialism |
tavalon |
Nov-11-08 11:14 PM |
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Podesta |
GregD |
Nov-10-08 09:22 PM |
#13 |
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He's a hard worker and dedicated to Democratic principles and action |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 09:28 PM |
#14 |
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You trot out socialism the minute someone talks about anything left of Clinton / Reagan / Bush 1 |
Leopolds Ghost |
Nov-11-08 10:18 AM |
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so all liberal democrats are socialists? |
leftofthedial |
Nov-11-08 10:23 AM |
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Obama sought out and got The New Party endorsement in his '96 state senate run. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-11-08 07:26 PM |
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Mike Lux, too. He's a bona fide progressive. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-10-08 09:18 PM |
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When he makes Richardson SOS I'll be happier |
shadowknows69 |
Nov-10-08 09:34 PM |
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You think? I'd peg him more in a diplomatic post. Maybe not. So |
babylonsister |
Nov-10-08 09:41 PM |
#18 |
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he was initially bullish on invading Iraq |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 09:43 PM |
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Yep. Check out Obama's economic advisors here: |
TheGoldenRule |
Nov-10-08 09:55 PM |
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Why do you bother hanging out here? You have always despised Obama. |
babylonsister |
Nov-10-08 10:20 PM |
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Some of us enjoy GR's posts and appreciate his/her candor. |
FarceOfNature |
Nov-10-08 10:44 PM |
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For starters, Obama has never been DLC-look it up. |
babylonsister |
Nov-10-08 10:57 PM |
#34 |
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all true |
Two Americas |
Nov-11-08 03:12 PM |
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One needn't be a card carrying member to support DLC |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Nov-11-08 03:21 PM |
#85 |
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Thank you, I appreciate that! |
TheGoldenRule |
Nov-11-08 03:25 AM |
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Well said (n/t) |
kenzee13 |
Nov-11-08 09:05 AM |
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Good post! n/t |
QC |
Nov-11-08 09:08 AM |
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we need all voices |
Two Americas |
Nov-11-08 03:02 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Nov-10-08 10:45 PM |
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No, I don't despise Obama. I want him to support the left and I want his promises kept. |
TheGoldenRule |
Nov-11-08 03:22 AM |
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"change we can believe in!!1" |
jonnyblitz |
Nov-10-08 10:54 PM |
#33 |
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He is a big change. |
jaredh |
Nov-10-08 11:37 PM |
#43 |
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he's a "free trade" corporatist |
leftofthedial |
Nov-11-08 10:25 AM |
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You are absolutely correct. |
TheGoldenRule |
Nov-11-08 02:39 PM |
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even if he stays right of center, where he is so far |
leftofthedial |
Nov-11-08 05:00 PM |
#98 |
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Obama ran as a centrist. Why is anyone surprised that he governing as one? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-10-08 09:58 PM |
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I question whether a centrist stance can produce the clear change promised |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 10:25 PM |
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Obama will be centrist in style. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-10-08 11:00 PM |
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he'll be pragmatic |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 11:13 PM |
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He'll be pragmatic unless history intervenes |
tavalon |
Nov-11-08 11:23 PM |
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I'm sure that he will appoint a few token 'progressives' |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-11-08 08:45 AM |
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He said something back in the campaign that stuck in my mind |
TheDoorbellRang |
Nov-11-08 08:40 PM |
#117 |
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Because voters are trending left. |
closeupready |
Nov-10-08 10:48 PM |
#32 |
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They are trending from the right to the center |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-11-08 08:46 AM |
#53 |
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Says who? They just elected the most liberal member of the Senate as President. |
closeupready |
Nov-11-08 09:27 AM |
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Obama did not run as a liberal, and many of the new members of Congrss are centrists |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-11-08 09:49 AM |
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Everyone knows Obama's Senate voting record is one of the most liberal, if not THE most liberal. |
closeupready |
Nov-11-08 10:12 AM |
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yes and no |
Two Americas |
Nov-11-08 03:19 PM |
#84 |
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Obama's voting record is not even close to being the |
paulk |
Nov-11-08 07:36 PM |
#112 |
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Despite the rights constant drumroll to that effect, it isn't true |
tavalon |
Nov-11-08 11:24 PM |
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absolutely |
Two Americas |
Nov-11-08 02:52 PM |
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I think the early "shots across the bow" of Bushco policies have been great. |
pinto |
Nov-10-08 10:58 PM |
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yeah, on Gitmo, mining, stem cells |
bigtree |
Nov-10-08 11:02 PM |
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Me too. The message from the transition team that all fed agency policies will be reviewed, |
pinto |
Nov-10-08 11:10 PM |
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I agree. He's going to reverse hundreds of policies the first day. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-10-08 11:23 PM |
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Agree. He'll have some good support in Congress, as well. |
pinto |
Nov-10-08 11:43 PM |
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According To Some Morons That Makes You A Freeper Who Wants All Far Right People Appointed. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Nov-11-08 06:32 AM |
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No it hasn't. The first things he's planning on doing- |
cali |
Nov-11-08 03:31 AM |
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another arrogant slam by cali, as if your opinion was the ONLY one that mattered |
bigtree |
Nov-11-08 08:36 AM |
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It'd be nice to see him hire real progressive liberals like Kucinich. |
Lumpsum |
Nov-11-08 03:56 AM |
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Perhaps if Kucinich had supported Obama instead of running another Quixotic campaign |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-11-08 09:57 AM |
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. |
yibbehobba |
Nov-11-08 08:37 AM |
#51 |
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Politics as usual from a centrist. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-11-08 08:51 AM |
#54 |
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The first job of a president after an ugly campaign is to try to bring the country back together |
gollygee |
Nov-11-08 09:07 AM |
#57 |
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What exactly is the "center" |
gorbal |
Nov-11-08 09:11 AM |
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Unclear what "center" means, but we do know that Americans elected as President the most liberal |
closeupready |
Nov-11-08 09:29 AM |
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It's where both liberals and conservatives criticize you |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-11-08 09:51 AM |
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If, as the corporate media does, you define the right as centrist, you are right. |
leftofthedial |
Nov-11-08 10:14 AM |
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Jeebus the honeymoon was short. |
lonestarnot |
Nov-11-08 10:20 AM |
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c'mon. For starters, I don't see how why we're supposed to sit back |
bigtree |
Nov-11-08 10:26 AM |
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Guess I'm a little more than worried about this |
lonestarnot |
Nov-11-08 10:33 AM |
#76 |
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that screed by Weil is sure getting play |
bigtree |
Nov-11-08 10:42 AM |
#78 |
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Yes where the hell is Krugman anyway? |
lonestarnot |
Nov-11-08 10:46 AM |
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I think you are confusing mood with individual appointments. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-11-08 03:26 PM |
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I don't think I'm confusing anything. Of course, we'll see what his policies are |
bigtree |
Nov-11-08 03:41 PM |
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Until he takes office 1-20-09, we're all just guessing. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-11-08 03:49 PM |
#88 |
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well, the query in the op is reasonable enough. |
bigtree |
Nov-11-08 03:52 PM |
#90 |
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did you see this? |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-11-08 03:53 PM |
#91 |
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yep, answered to it upthread |
bigtree |
Nov-11-08 03:54 PM |
#92 |
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I hope there are progressives coming... |
Tilion |
Nov-11-08 03:50 PM |
#89 |
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I think what you will find is that many Primary Clinton supporters will love Obama more each day. |
jesus_of_suburbia |
Nov-11-08 04:10 PM |
#93 |
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trust-em politics |
bigtree |
Nov-11-08 04:18 PM |
#94 |
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I always assumed Obama would govern even to the right of Clinton. |
readmoreoften |
Nov-11-08 04:26 PM |
#96 |
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Yikes! |
H2O Man |
Nov-11-08 04:47 PM |
#97 |
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well, |
bigtree |
Nov-11-08 05:01 PM |
#99 |
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What struck me the most |
H2O Man |
Nov-11-08 05:14 PM |
#100 |
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'We all have different points of view.' |
bigtree |
Nov-11-08 05:57 PM |
#102 |
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re: being perplexed about wait and see |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-11-08 06:37 PM |
#105 |
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Interesting. |
H2O Man |
Nov-11-08 07:59 PM |
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I look forward to seeing what a community organizer can do with this mess. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-11-08 10:25 PM |
#120 |
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He was the Democratic Party candidate not the Progressive Party candidate |
cobalt1999 |
Nov-11-08 05:28 PM |
#101 |
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that center shifted to the right in every bill Democrats voted with republicans on |
bigtree |
Nov-11-08 06:19 PM |
#103 |
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Slightly left of center???? |
readmoreoften |
Nov-11-08 06:26 PM |
#104 |
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god, I hope so. |
Lerkfish |
Nov-11-08 06:56 PM |
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I'm not seeing any signs of it. |
LWolf |
Nov-11-08 07:03 PM |
#107 |
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I think you've got it just right about where to focus your political energy |
bigtree |
Nov-11-08 07:09 PM |
#108 |
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The "mood" is centrist. What does that mean? |
Turn CO Blue |
Nov-11-08 07:17 PM |
#109 |
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first of all you can take your 'suspicions' about my 'motivations' and shove them |
bigtree |
Nov-11-08 07:36 PM |
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The transition team isn't going to fold because we don't like this appointment or that |
tavalon |
Nov-12-08 02:12 AM |
#126 |
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Obama is somewhat centrist himself |
Truth Teller |
Nov-11-08 07:48 PM |
#113 |
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Given that he's barely appointed anyone yet, I think we ought to wait |
liberalpragmatist |
Nov-11-08 07:52 PM |
#114 |
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Seems like Obama will govern like Bill Clinton, minus the scandals |
MathGuy |
Nov-11-08 09:40 PM |
#118 |
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He's a centrist |
tavalon |
Nov-11-08 11:09 PM |
#121 |
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The weather this winter has been decidedly warmer. Better not buy new skis. |
asSEENonTV |
Nov-11-08 11:26 PM |
#125 |
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