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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Are they investigating the cause?
Because it should be fairly easy to figure out, no?
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  -tainted Dog/Cat food story. Why so few facts? antifaschits  Mar-18-07 06:41 PM   #0 
  - In fact, no facts at all about what might be causing the animals to get  whistle   Mar-18-07 06:43 PM   #1 
  - Do you have any factual evidence that rapeseed is involved?  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 06:59 PM   #8 
  - Only that Canola oil is in these pet foods and that Canola is  whistle   Mar-18-07 07:31 PM   #24 
     - Um, where to start? These animals aren't dying of lung cancer.  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 07:50 PM   #27 
     - I don't know what causes renal failure in dogs and cats, but here is  whistle   Mar-18-07 08:27 PM   #34 
     - Thanks for info and link!!! + important ON EDIT  chknltl   Mar-18-07 11:15 PM   #54 
     - I've used probably GALLONS of canola oil over the years. There is  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 11:39 PM   #62 
     - Thanks kestrel91316  chknltl   Mar-19-07 12:03 AM   #69 
        - LOL. I missed your name at first!  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 12:13 AM   #70 
     - BUTTER is made from canola oil?  votesomemore   Mar-19-07 03:20 PM   #128 
        - Margarine.  Canuckistanian   Mar-19-07 05:29 PM   #149 
           - Thanks.  votesomemore   Mar-19-07 09:06 PM   #177 
              - Maybe not in America  Canuckistanian   Mar-19-07 09:17 PM   #178 
     - deleted  kgfnally   Mar-19-07 03:24 PM   #130 
  - Possibly wheat gluten.  Doremus   Mar-19-07 12:38 AM   #74 
     - Makes sense as protein causes renal failure,  kaygore   Mar-19-07 01:56 PM   #118 
     - WRONG. Protein is a VITAL nutrient. Cats require a fairly high  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 02:55 PM   #121 
     - I believe kaygore was being sarcastic.  TheWraith   Mar-19-07 06:26 PM   #159 
     - Interesting  demobabe   Mar-19-07 07:56 PM   #172 
     - How about wheat gluten from genetically modified wheat?  kitkat65   Mar-19-07 06:00 PM   #156 
        - "Completely unfounded" is right.  TheWraith   Mar-19-07 06:40 PM   #160 
        - It's certainly an interesting idea, and one I have also considered.  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 10:08 PM   #180 
        - The cover-up is likely due to a link to GM 'food,' and the corpora-  rec_report   Mar-20-07 11:32 PM   #210 
     - Thank you for the link to the news story  sandnsea   Mar-19-07 05:43 PM   #152 
        - well there is this...  druidity33   Mar-19-07 07:36 PM   #166 
           - Did Menu buy GM food??  sandnsea   Mar-19-07 07:45 PM   #167 
              - here's the thing...  druidity33   Mar-19-07 07:57 PM   #173 
                 - They released what they think  sandnsea   Mar-19-07 08:37 PM   #176 
                    - right  druidity33   Mar-20-07 06:18 AM   #198 
  - It's probably not so much a matter of whether it was contaiminated...  WindRavenX   Mar-18-07 06:44 PM   #2 
  - I don't have any information about what the problem might be.  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 06:57 PM   #7 
     - Are they investigating the cause?  WindRavenX   Mar-18-07 07:00 PM   #10 
     - I heard on the radio that Hills Science Diet is on the list, too...  LiberalHeart   Mar-18-07 07:58 PM   #31 
        - Hills is doing a voluntary recall (I don't know of any ARF cases  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 09:19 PM   #37 
        - Hills has two lines. Science Diet and Prescription Diet.  MrsGrumpy   Mar-19-07 04:50 AM   #86 
  - Our pets really deserve more legal protection/i.e., food inspection.  Divernan   Mar-18-07 06:50 PM   #3 
  - many, many years ago, Recipe was caught  antifaschits   Mar-18-07 07:00 PM   #9 
  - My kitty,  votesomemore   Mar-19-07 03:26 PM   #131 
  - I am so afraid of canned pet food right now that my dog...  Hepburn   Mar-18-07 06:52 PM   #4 
  - Cheeseburger steak and baked potato!  riverdeep   Mar-18-07 11:26 PM   #58 
  - It's PEOPLE!  petronius   Mar-18-07 06:54 PM   #5 
  - No, but they have been said to use euthanized pets from shelters  Lone_Star_Dem   Mar-18-07 06:56 PM   #6 
  - I've been searching, too, with no success at all  Warpy   Mar-18-07 07:03 PM   #11 
  - No, it doesn't...  Tesha   Mar-20-07 06:32 AM   #199 
  - Hill's Science Diet is voluntarily participating in the recall:  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 07:10 PM   #12 
  - kestral, I have had  Gelliebeans   Mar-19-07 04:55 AM   #87 
     - If the food isn't on the recall list, it's not a problem.  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 01:25 PM   #104 
  - Menu Foods' press release can be read at  mruddy   Mar-18-07 07:11 PM   #13 
  - Wheat gluten is referenced in this article.  Doremus   Mar-19-07 12:44 AM   #75 
  - i am so damn sick of monsanto lately i can't begin to tell you.  orleans   Mar-19-07 01:47 AM   #82 
  - It's odd that there is no information on whether it is an infectious agent.  Olney Blue   Mar-18-07 07:13 PM   #14 
  - Dry food WILL get moldy if you put water on it and let it sit at room temp, lol.  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 11:42 PM   #63 
  - A veterinary discussion board I am part of is hot on the trail of  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 07:14 PM   #15 
  - Our local TV news in Clearwater reports suspicious dog deaths...  Sancho   Mar-19-07 06:06 AM   #91 
     - Vets are reporting seeing entire households of pets all affected  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 01:27 PM   #105 
        - Same here in Pittsburgh  RamboLiberal   Mar-19-07 04:01 PM   #137 
           - It's not the fault of the pet food companies, IMHO, It's the fault of  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 04:30 PM   #140 
  - My older female cat 17 yrs old and the 3yr male  Bitwit1234   Mar-18-07 07:15 PM   #16 
  - PS I meant to say this also  Bitwit1234   Mar-18-07 07:16 PM   #17 
  - THROW YOUR POUCH FOOD AWAY. If it's a fungal toxin, even  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 07:51 PM   #28 
  - Another issue being looked at is possible Vitamin D toxicity -  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 07:17 PM   #18 
  - There are LOTS LOTS LOTS more cases out there, it appears.  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 07:22 PM   #19 
  - 10 pet deaths would NOT trigger  Karenina   Mar-18-07 07:29 PM   #22 
     - There are A LOT more than 10 deaths. The board I have been  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 07:53 PM   #29 
  - Apparently there are some suspicious renal failures in dogs on  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 07:26 PM   #20 
  - Ok, blind speculation from kestrel here.................  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 07:28 PM   #21 
  - I am SOOOOOOOO glad I have been telling my clients for years  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 07:30 PM   #23 
  - so what should we feed them?  Donnachaidh   Mar-18-07 07:54 PM   #30 
  - I recommend a top quality dry food such as Hill's Science Diet, or  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 09:31 PM   #42 
  - Okay, but we had a male cat that had a urinary tract problem from dry  Donnachaidh   Mar-18-07 11:47 PM   #64 
  - I don't see urinary problems in cats on Science Diet dry, Max Cat dry,  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 12:21 AM   #71 
  - That's what our vet sez: NO FISH  Patiod   Mar-19-07 12:58 PM   #103 
  - Oh, and with the perineal urethrostomy surgery (not a "sex change", lol)  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 12:23 AM   #72 
     - yeah, but it's one EXPENSIVE way to *cure* a problem caused by food  Donnachaidh   Mar-19-07 09:29 AM   #102 
        - That's why I'm so big on prevention. I tend to only see cats needing  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 01:29 PM   #106 
           - I don't think many people realize the problem can be severe  Donnachaidh   Mar-19-07 01:39 PM   #110 
  - Kestral, may I ask...  janesez   Mar-19-07 01:50 PM   #116 
     - Animals (and people, too) drink based on the sodium content of  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 03:02 PM   #122 
        - Good to know.  janesez   Mar-19-07 03:05 PM   #124 
           - Oh he's CUTE. He looks like my Boochi probably did as a youngster.  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 03:45 PM   #135 
  - This is a good resource.  Doremus   Mar-19-07 01:08 AM   #78 
  - What do you think of Iams dry food?  LiberalHeart   Mar-18-07 08:02 PM   #32 
     - Iams dry is a perfectly acceptable food with the exception of  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 09:22 PM   #38 
  - Ochratoxin A, found in wheat contaminated with a fungus, can  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 07:34 PM   #25 
  - You mean a fungus like corn smut? Like corn which has been  whistle   Mar-18-07 08:38 PM   #35 
  - It's not corn, but rather wheat (specifically wheat gluten) which  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 09:23 PM   #39 
  - You mean THIS corn smut?  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 09:33 PM   #43 
  - are you hearing that the onset is rapid?  fairfaxvadem   Mar-18-07 08:39 PM   #36 
     - VERY rapid. Within as little as one to two days in some cases.  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 09:23 PM   #40 
  - maybe we needs ta K&R for more exposure, coverage and answers.  antifaschits   Mar-18-07 07:38 PM   #26 
  - There is very VERY little regulation of the petfood industry.  InvisibleTouch   Mar-18-07 08:06 PM   #33 
  - Knowing what I know  riverdeep   Mar-18-07 11:30 PM   #59 
     - We can see through thier eyes..  undergroundpanther   Mar-19-07 06:16 PM   #157 
  - Will everybody please K&R so this gets up on the Greatest Page  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 09:26 PM   #41 
  - k & r...i have 3 cats that i think i'm going to start cooking for. eom  NotGivingUp   Mar-18-07 10:03 PM   #44 
  - Another Kick.  Kool Kitty   Mar-18-07 10:33 PM   #45 
  - k & r  mgdecombe   Mar-18-07 10:41 PM   #46 
  - Good for you!  KCdemocrat   Mar-18-07 11:31 PM   #60 
  - INCORRECT. Cats are obligate carnivores, meaning that they require meat  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 11:48 PM   #66 
  - We added Taurine to the diet of a cat  monarch   Mar-19-07 06:01 AM   #90 
  - sounds like the perfect cat food.  NotGivingUp   Mar-19-07 06:54 AM   #95 
     - Actually we sauteed it for him.  monarch   Mar-19-07 07:38 AM   #97 
        - sounds like your cat had a couple of very caring people looking out for him! eom  NotGivingUp   Mar-19-07 01:49 PM   #115 
  - i have read that raw is better for them because it still has the necessary enzymes  NotGivingUp   Mar-19-07 06:52 AM   #94 
  - I feed raw and have a few questions  Holly_Hobby   Mar-19-07 03:14 PM   #127 
     - it might be easier for kestrel if your elementary school questions were phrased as statements  foo_bar   Mar-19-07 07:11 PM   #161 
     - Ok, here we go:  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 10:24 PM   #181 
  - but the meat they sell in the store has bacteria.  NotGivingUp   Mar-19-07 06:49 AM   #93 
     - I've been feeding raw for years  KCdemocrat   Mar-19-07 08:36 AM   #99 
        - I hate to say it, but because of it being COMMON KNOWLEDGE  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 01:32 PM   #107 
        - Sorry, but I don't see the "public health hazard."  InvisibleTouch   Mar-19-07 07:53 PM   #170 
        - Maybe that is why my vet keeps telling me a lot of vets are  KCdemocrat   Mar-19-07 08:16 PM   #175 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-19-07 10:26 PM   #182 
           - Funny you never answered the question, if it's so simple.  InvisibleTouch   Mar-19-07 10:38 PM   #186 
        - Just a list of cat/dog breeders who use the same  KCdemocrat   Mar-19-07 08:13 PM   #174 
           - I'm thoroughly unimpressed. Breeders have never been known  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 10:29 PM   #183 
              - I would bet you are a good vet and I refuse to insult you.  KCdemocrat   Mar-19-07 11:15 PM   #190 
              - With all due respect  arikara   Mar-19-07 11:26 PM   #192 
        - thanks! that's good to know. good for them and easier for me. i like that! eom  NotGivingUp   Mar-19-07 01:44 PM   #113 
  - There are many lines of cat food out there, which offer human grade food....  Robeson   Mar-19-07 01:33 AM   #81 
  - I checked out the list and didn't see Iams on it...although in the original  Gloria   Mar-18-07 10:44 PM   #47 
  - Here is more info on P&G pet foods, plus Purina and Hill's  nicknameless   Mar-19-07 01:11 AM   #79 
  - List of Recalled Cat Foods:  Nikki Stone1   Mar-18-07 10:49 PM   #48 
  - Apparently a new ingredient from a new supplier was to blame  Nikki Stone1   Mar-18-07 10:52 PM   #49 
     - List of Recalled Dog Foods:  Nikki Stone1   Mar-18-07 10:53 PM   #50 
     - No Pedigree or Friskies, thank goodness (I use dry food, anyways)  noonwitch   Mar-19-07 08:13 AM   #98 
        - Um, adding taurine to Friskies will not help prevent urinary problems.  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 03:20 PM   #129 
           - Really? How does Friskies cause these diseases?  Nikki Stone1   Mar-19-07 07:11 PM   #162 
     - They had to inform shareholders and the stock market. Their stock is really  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 11:18 PM   #55 
  - Your pet having kidney damage is like your grandparent breaking a hip.  alittlelark   Mar-18-07 11:01 PM   #51 
  - Tell that to all the owners of the dead pets. There are WAAAYYYYY  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 11:21 PM   #56 
     - i think you misread the post  nashville_brook   Mar-18-07 11:24 PM   #57 
     - True. I guess so.  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 11:50 PM   #67 
     - Actually it IS. Ask anyone who has cared for an elder.  alittlelark   Mar-18-07 11:48 PM   #65 
        - Acute renal failure actually carries a better prognosis, statistically.  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 12:30 AM   #73 
           - I wish Tara and Oliver had such good results.....  alittlelark   Mar-19-07 12:45 AM   #76 
  - K&R n/t  Lugnut   Mar-18-07 11:10 PM   #52 
  - Link to Menu Foods and Recall List  Miss Chybil   Mar-18-07 11:12 PM   #53 
  - Thanks particularly to Kestrel for the info.  troubleinwinter   Mar-18-07 11:37 PM   #61 
  - Add me to the list of people grateful to Kestral  monarch   Mar-19-07 06:12 AM   #92 
  - Important hypothetical question:  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 11:54 PM   #68 
  - Will we ever know how many cats died? Class Action Lawsuit?  NAO   Mar-19-07 12:57 AM   #77 
  - Byproducts are allowed to contain 4D meats: DEAD, DYING, DISEASED and DISABLED  nicknameless   Mar-19-07 01:24 AM   #80 
  - Cats out in the wild eat the dead, dying, diseased and disabled.  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 01:35 PM   #108 
  - They do NOT.  nicknameless   Mar-19-07 06:16 PM   #158 
     - Mountain lions do eat the dead, buried, saved remains of their  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 10:33 PM   #184 
        - Of course, they eat what THEY kill.  nicknameless   Mar-19-07 11:04 PM   #189 
  - "The disgusting truth about most pet foods today"  nicknameless   Mar-19-07 05:53 PM   #153 
  - A friend who used to work in the industry told me that Purina was  Morgana LaFey   Mar-20-07 09:39 PM   #204 
     - Ugh! I don't have first hand knowledge about Purina buying feathers,  nicknameless   Mar-21-07 04:34 AM   #211 
        - Yeah, I have wanted to break away from feeding my pets  Morgana LaFey   Mar-21-07 06:20 PM   #214 
           - The canned food I fed my cat didn't appear on the list.  nicknameless   Mar-22-07 03:40 AM   #217 
           - Thanks. I'll check it out.  Morgana LaFey   Mar-22-07 06:41 PM   #219 
           - Oh no. I just read that Menu Foods made some Wellness products.  nicknameless   Mar-22-07 04:33 AM   #218 
  - Mad cow disease resulted from cattle being fed remains of diseased cattle.  nicknameless   Mar-19-07 05:56 PM   #155 
     - We're not dealing with BSE or any other prion disease.  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 10:35 PM   #185 
        - My post concerned by-products, not the Menu Foods recall.  nicknameless   Mar-19-07 10:54 PM   #187 
  - k&r n/t  orleans   Mar-19-07 02:12 AM   #83 
  - Kick  WernhamHogg   Mar-19-07 02:46 AM   #84 
  - I see lots of cats with chronic renal failure, the SLOW kind.  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 01:37 PM   #109 
  - kicked  chknltl   Mar-19-07 04:42 AM   #85 
  - I hear ya  Gelliebeans   Mar-19-07 05:09 AM   #88 
  - The real story here is how paying premium prices  monarch   Mar-19-07 05:30 AM   #89 
  - None of the Hill's or Max Cat or Iams OTHER THAN the chunks in gravy  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 01:39 PM   #111 
  - Tainted Pet Food  Thothmes   Mar-19-07 07:36 AM   #96 
  - WRONG WRONG WRONG. DEAD WRONG.  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 01:42 PM   #112 
  - I'm kicking this  ellie   Mar-19-07 09:13 AM   #100 
  - Sorry. The problem is not all pet food companies.  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 01:45 PM   #114 
  - You're right, it is odd  BluePatriot   Mar-19-07 09:18 AM   #101 
  - Here's the current theories on the underlying problem:  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 01:55 PM   #117 
  - Currently, based on a rough estimate of the vets reporting in on  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 02:23 PM   #119 
  - Thanks so much for the rough estimate  NAO   Mar-19-07 02:53 PM   #120 
  - Iams is offering to pay medical expenses of the animals who got  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 03:42 PM   #133 
  - WHen did this start ?  REACTIVATED IN CT   Mar-19-07 03:12 PM   #125 
  - The recall is for foods manufactured between early Dec 2006 and  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 03:44 PM   #134 
  - that is exactly right  Corgigal   Mar-19-07 03:12 PM   #126 
  - I fed my baby 8 wk old Ragdoll kitten some of these foods  NAO   Mar-19-07 03:04 PM   #123 
  - A sampling of reports from vets on a forum:  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 03:36 PM   #132 
  - Holy shit...  libnnc   Mar-19-07 03:52 PM   #136 
     - It's horrible reading through dozens and dozens, if not hundreds,  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 04:19 PM   #139 
  - Link to FDA website about the recall:  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 04:06 PM   #138 
  - Thanks  undergroundpanther   Mar-19-07 04:47 PM   #142 
     - Don't make homemade food for the cats. You are unlikely to get it  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 05:12 PM   #145 
     - Why do you say that raw is bad for cats?  arikara   Mar-19-07 07:22 PM   #163 
        - Feeding raw meats to animals is widely recognized  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 07:28 PM   #164 
        - Cats eat mice. They ARE cats, after all. But we don't recommend the  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 07:31 PM   #165 
           - And how could one be sure that little mousie didn't just eat some D-Con?  SoCalDem   Mar-20-07 05:40 AM   #197 
     - It occurs to me that I pay the same for boneless chicken breasts  hedgehog   Mar-19-07 07:49 PM   #168 
  - thank you all here and especially for the OP and kestrel  rumpel   Mar-19-07 04:30 PM   #141 
  - I have a renal dog and I really wish  Coyote_Bandit   Mar-19-07 04:55 PM   #143 
  - Homemade food for dogs is quite feasible. For cats it's much more  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 05:25 PM   #147 
     - Thanks  Coyote_Bandit   Mar-19-07 07:54 PM   #171 
        - The garlic powder is a definite no-no.  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 09:26 PM   #179 
           - I did not know that  Coyote_Bandit   Mar-19-07 11:21 PM   #191 
              - It's not common knowledge about the garlic, but i suspected it for YEARS,  kestrel91316   Mar-20-07 08:41 PM   #203 
  - Because they probably don't want to talk about what really goes into  Lorien   Mar-19-07 05:04 PM   #144 
  - My guess is that we have a rerun of this sort of thing, but with ochratoxin A.  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 05:27 PM   #148 
  - More links:  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 05:21 PM   #146 
  - New info:  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 05:35 PM   #150 
  - Cornell University has a GREAT veterinary toxicology lab, BTW:  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 05:54 PM   #154 
  - Another vet's experience:  kestrel91316   Mar-19-07 05:41 PM   #151 
  - I'm glad that my kitties food isn't on the list  tammywammy   Mar-19-07 07:53 PM   #169 
  - I came home tonight and Willow had thrown up twice - I definitely freaked  bullwinkle428   Mar-19-07 10:58 PM   #188 
  - what an adorable furball!!!! :) n/t  themartyred   Mar-19-07 11:40 PM   #194 
  - Her personality is as sweet as her looks!  bullwinkle428   Mar-20-07 10:30 PM   #206 
  - poor baby..  undergroundpanther   Mar-20-07 02:50 AM   #196 
  - I just had to adopt her once I saw her in person...  bullwinkle428   Mar-20-07 10:36 PM   #207 
  - No Hill's Prescription Diets are on the list. Don't be afraid of I/D  kestrel91316   Mar-20-07 01:41 PM   #200 
     - Thanks - it's actually the w/d formula that they had given me, but after  bullwinkle428   Mar-20-07 10:48 PM   #208 
        - Science Diet has really strict quality controls on their ingredients,  kestrel91316   Mar-21-07 07:14 PM   #215 
  - Kick  aroach   Mar-19-07 11:35 PM   #193 
  - LBN Thread: Test animals died after being given tainted food  NAO   Mar-20-07 01:36 AM   #195 
  - My mom WAS feeding her cat this crap  WernhamHogg   Mar-20-07 02:05 PM   #201 
  - My cat is in the hospital  thethinker   Mar-20-07 05:17 PM   #202 
  - I don't think they have any proof that the wheat gluten is what  lizzy   Mar-20-07 10:27 PM   #205 
  - Lawsuit in progress...seeks CLASS ACTION status  NAO   Mar-20-07 11:27 PM   #209 
  - A "Summary of Info" link...  piesRsquare   Mar-21-07 05:56 AM   #212 
  - Even More Products May Have Taint: FDA  piesRsquare   Mar-21-07 06:15 AM   #213 
  - petconnection.com database: 1120 sickened; 502 dead from recall food  NAO   Mar-22-07 01:52 AM   #216 
 

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