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Mon Nov-10-08 01:58 AM
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Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 02:06 AM by bliss_eternal
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| -"The shift in Catholics alone more than accounted for Prop. 8's 5 percent margin of victory." |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 01:28 AM |
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Pfft. It was clearly because of under-1.5 million black voters.... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-10-08 01:32 AM |
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The really insane part is that the votes in CA haven't even been counted yet |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 01:37 AM |
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It's ok. They hate mortgages too, if you'll recall. The power white folks attribute to them... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-10-08 01:41 AM |
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It's amazing how quickly CNN becomes a fucking oracle |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 01:47 AM |
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bliss_eternal |
Nov-10-08 01:58 AM |
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Check out this poll from Loyola Marymount. Available on election night, too. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 02:11 AM |
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K and R. |
mzmolly |
Nov-10-08 03:07 PM |
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Thank you, mzmolly. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 03:17 PM |
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Huh? Maybe I'm reading that wrong but... |
ContinentalOp |
Nov-11-08 10:38 AM |
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I'm sorry I couldn't figure out how to keep the formating. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-12-08 02:36 PM |
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I'm glad that the Chronicle is staying on this story. |
Gormy Cuss |
Nov-10-08 01:38 AM |
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Yes. We need to know the organizations that used the lives of our people |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 01:40 AM |
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. |
bliss_eternal |
Nov-10-08 02:00 AM |
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Thanks for that very informative article |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-10-08 02:13 AM |
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My pleasure. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 10:59 AM |
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Surely it was black Mormons and black Catholics, right? |
kwassa |
Nov-10-08 11:47 AM |
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Did the cable channels even MENTION the Catholic Church |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 02:27 PM |
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Here's a good article on Niederhauer before he came to San Francisco: |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 12:29 PM |
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Neiderhauer's very close friend works at the Vatican. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 12:35 PM |
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Niederhauer criticized for giving award to gay marriage, abortion supporter |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 12:41 PM |
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East Bay Express: Yup, it was the Catholics |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 02:25 PM |
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Nov-10-08 02:37 PM |
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I wouldn't go that far. But it is very very clear that Neiderauer masterfully |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 03:11 PM |
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Right wing Catholics did alot of outreach |
CatholicEdHead |
Nov-10-08 03:12 PM |
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My former church is one of the oldest, most successful political machines on the planet. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 03:16 PM |
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Nail meet hammer. |
MPK |
Nov-10-08 06:49 PM |
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I know. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 06:53 PM |
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"Right-wing Catholics" -- five points off for redundancy |
nichomachus |
Nov-10-08 03:53 PM |
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Then the redundancy would be "rightwing Catholic leaders". |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 03:55 PM |
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True, there is a major disconnect between the pews and Rome |
CatholicEdHead |
Nov-10-08 04:01 PM |
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This guy in San Francisco is Machiavellian. Someone needs to get that |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 04:03 PM |
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where is the guy who was blaming black, female churchgoers last week? |
noiretblu |
Nov-10-08 03:53 PM |
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Reporting demographics is not "blaming" |
nichomachus |
Nov-10-08 03:56 PM |
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Reporting rumor as fact is not reporting demographics. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 03:59 PM |
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The same argument was used in the defense of "The Bell Curve." |
Bornaginhooligan |
Nov-10-08 04:00 PM |
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it's called LYING, actually...outrageous lying |
noiretblu |
Nov-10-08 04:00 PM |
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It's race-based scapegoating and it's disgusting |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-10-08 05:05 PM |
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The president of the CA NAACP has been opposing H8 |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 05:15 PM |
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The National NAACP was for NO on 8 |
goclark |
Nov-10-08 06:40 PM |
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Was that the one claiming the problem with black people... |
Bornaginhooligan |
Nov-10-08 03:57 PM |
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Someday, I hope we have the available brain cells not to buy in |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 04:01 PM |
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it was the other one: black female churchgoers |
noiretblu |
Nov-10-08 04:01 PM |
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Ah, yes. That guy. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Nov-10-08 04:04 PM |
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i was not...but i will keep an eye on him eom |
noiretblu |
Nov-10-08 04:05 PM |
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Someone suggested that if black people hadn't voted, it wouldn't have passed. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 03:58 PM |
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way too fng easy, especially when it comes to race |
noiretblu |
Nov-10-08 04:04 PM |
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. . . |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 04:05 PM |
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I claimed that based on the CNN exit poll data. |
ContinentalOp |
Nov-11-08 10:44 AM |
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I wasn't referring to you, ContinentalOp. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-12-08 02:39 PM |
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My mom's Catholic church they ended with a "reminder" |
K8-EEE |
Nov-10-08 04:56 PM |
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Good for her! |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 05:08 PM |
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In sum: One of the most powerful American Catholics, George Niederauer, |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 05:01 PM |
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The Loyola poll is only for the city of Los Angeles. -nt- |
ContinentalOp |
Nov-11-08 10:46 AM |
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Yes, I realize that. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-12-08 02:49 PM |
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Well, I'm glad that's settled. |
Le Taz Hot |
Nov-10-08 05:03 PM |
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Model the respect you want. That would be a good start. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 05:07 PM |
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i suspect those who want to believe Prop 8 passed because of black voters |
noiretblu |
Nov-10-08 05:23 PM |
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Thank you for your post |
goclark |
Nov-10-08 05:52 PM |
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goclark, I have your back. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 05:54 PM |
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thanks sfexpat2000 |
goclark |
Nov-10-08 06:22 PM |
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i know what you mean...i am also a AA who voted no on 8 |
noiretblu |
Nov-10-08 05:55 PM |
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Thanks noireblu |
goclark |
Nov-10-08 06:37 PM |
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aside from a few obdurant types here |
noiretblu |
Nov-10-08 07:06 PM |
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I do appreciate your thoughts |
goclark |
Nov-10-08 08:25 PM |
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It's hard to understand why someone would be so ready to "fix" black culture |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 06:02 PM |
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they believe black people are more homophobic |
noiretblu |
Nov-10-08 06:05 PM |
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Well, for a community that prides itself on being fact based, we fail. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 06:08 PM |
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It's not just a "meme" that has been circulating for a few years. |
ContinentalOp |
Nov-11-08 10:51 AM |
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i do think it has reached meme status here |
noiretblu |
Nov-11-08 12:30 PM |
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But it sure as Hell worked as intended in this issue! |
Karenina |
Nov-11-08 01:28 PM |
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Dot connecting time |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-10-08 05:42 PM |
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And they pushed it off on black voters. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 05:53 PM |
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Bingo! That is exactly what I think happened |
goclark |
Nov-10-08 07:01 PM |
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This is an excerpt from a People for the American Way memo |
Karenina |
Nov-11-08 05:31 AM |
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k&r |
MPK |
Nov-10-08 06:47 PM |
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Thank you. It takes us so long to sort out what's real. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-10-08 06:56 PM |
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Thanks so much ~ we liberals tend to be so passionate |
goclark |
Nov-11-08 10:29 AM |
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when all that is said an done there is one conclusion |
mitchtv |
Nov-11-08 01:56 PM |
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We, of many descriptions on this board, DID NOT SUPPORT IT. |
Karenina |
Nov-11-08 03:54 PM |
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anyone say you did? |
mitchtv |
Nov-11-08 03:58 PM |
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So very quick to brush off the scapegoating of black CA voters. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-12-08 02:44 PM |
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