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1. Pfft. It was clearly because of under-1.5 million black voters....
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 01:34 AM by BlooInBloo
I know this because white folks tell me it's so. And they would never make shit up about black folks.

EDIT: Not God bless the site software, but GODDAMN the site software for not letting me use a fucking less-than sign!
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  -"The shift in Catholics alone more than accounted for Prop. 8's 5 percent margin of victory." sfexpat2000  Nov-10-08 01:28 AM   #0 
  - Pfft. It was clearly because of under-1.5 million black voters....  BlooInBloo   Nov-10-08 01:32 AM   #1 
  - The really insane part is that the votes in CA haven't even been counted yet  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 01:37 AM   #2 
     - It's ok. They hate mortgages too, if you'll recall. The power white folks attribute to them...  BlooInBloo   Nov-10-08 01:41 AM   #5 
     - It's amazing how quickly CNN becomes a fucking oracle  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 01:47 AM   #6 
     - .  bliss_eternal   Nov-10-08 01:58 AM   #7 
        - Check out this poll from Loyola Marymount. Available on election night, too.  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 02:11 AM   #9 
           - K and R.  mzmolly   Nov-10-08 03:07 PM   #19 
           - Thank you, mzmolly.  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 03:17 PM   #23 
           - Huh? Maybe I'm reading that wrong but...  ContinentalOp   Nov-11-08 10:38 AM   #68 
              - I'm sorry I couldn't figure out how to keep the formating.  sfexpat2000   Nov-12-08 02:36 PM   #77 
  - I'm glad that the Chronicle is staying on this story.  Gormy Cuss   Nov-10-08 01:38 AM   #3 
  - Yes. We need to know the organizations that used the lives of our people  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 01:40 AM   #4 
  - .  bliss_eternal   Nov-10-08 02:00 AM   #8 
  - Thanks for that very informative article  Cali_Democrat   Nov-10-08 02:13 AM   #10 
  - My pleasure. n/t  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 10:59 AM   #11 
  - Surely it was black Mormons and black Catholics, right?  kwassa   Nov-10-08 11:47 AM   #12 
  - Did the cable channels even MENTION the Catholic Church  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 02:27 PM   #17 
  - Here's a good article on Niederhauer before he came to San Francisco:  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 12:29 PM   #13 
  - Neiderhauer's very close friend works at the Vatican.  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 12:35 PM   #14 
  - Niederhauer criticized for giving award to gay marriage, abortion supporter  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 12:41 PM   #15 
  - East Bay Express: Yup, it was the Catholics  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 02:25 PM   #16 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-10-08 02:37 PM   #18 
  - I wouldn't go that far. But it is very very clear that Neiderauer masterfully  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 03:11 PM   #20 
  - Right wing Catholics did alot of outreach  CatholicEdHead   Nov-10-08 03:12 PM   #21 
  - My former church is one of the oldest, most successful political machines on the planet.  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 03:16 PM   #22 
  - Nail meet hammer.  MPK   Nov-10-08 06:49 PM   #60 
     - I know.  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 06:53 PM   #61 
  - "Right-wing Catholics" -- five points off for redundancy  nichomachus   Nov-10-08 03:53 PM   #25 
     - Then the redundancy would be "rightwing Catholic leaders".  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 03:55 PM   #26 
        - True, there is a major disconnect between the pews and Rome  CatholicEdHead   Nov-10-08 04:01 PM   # 
           - This guy in San Francisco is Machiavellian. Someone needs to get that  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 04:03 PM   #35 
  - where is the guy who was blaming black, female churchgoers last week?  noiretblu   Nov-10-08 03:53 PM   #24 
  - Reporting demographics is not "blaming"  nichomachus   Nov-10-08 03:56 PM   #27 
  - Reporting rumor as fact is not reporting demographics.  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 03:59 PM   #30 
  - The same argument was used in the defense of "The Bell Curve."  Bornaginhooligan   Nov-10-08 04:00 PM   #31 
  - it's called LYING, actually...outrageous lying  noiretblu   Nov-10-08 04:00 PM   #32 
  - It's race-based scapegoating and it's disgusting  Cali_Democrat   Nov-10-08 05:05 PM   #43 
     - The president of the CA NAACP has been opposing H8  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 05:15 PM   #46 
        - The National NAACP was for NO on 8  goclark   Nov-10-08 06:40 PM   #58 
  - Was that the one claiming the problem with black people...  Bornaginhooligan   Nov-10-08 03:57 PM   #28 
  - Someday, I hope we have the available brain cells not to buy in  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 04:01 PM   #33 
  - it was the other one: black female churchgoers  noiretblu   Nov-10-08 04:01 PM   #34 
     - Ah, yes. That guy.  Bornaginhooligan   Nov-10-08 04:04 PM   #37 
        - i was not...but i will keep an eye on him eom  noiretblu   Nov-10-08 04:05 PM   #38 
  - Someone suggested that if black people hadn't voted, it wouldn't have passed.  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 03:58 PM   #29 
     - way too fng easy, especially when it comes to race  noiretblu   Nov-10-08 04:04 PM   #36 
     - . . .  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 04:05 PM   #39 
     - I claimed that based on the CNN exit poll data.  ContinentalOp   Nov-11-08 10:44 AM   #69 
        - I wasn't referring to you, ContinentalOp.  sfexpat2000   Nov-12-08 02:39 PM   #78 
  - My mom's Catholic church they ended with a "reminder"  K8-EEE   Nov-10-08 04:56 PM   #40 
  - Good for her!  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 05:08 PM   #45 
  - In sum: One of the most powerful American Catholics, George Niederauer,  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 05:01 PM   #41 
  - The Loyola poll is only for the city of Los Angeles. -nt-  ContinentalOp   Nov-11-08 10:46 AM   #70 
     - Yes, I realize that. n/t  sfexpat2000   Nov-12-08 02:49 PM   #80 
  - Well, I'm glad that's settled.  Le Taz Hot   Nov-10-08 05:03 PM   #42 
  - Model the respect you want. That would be a good start.  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 05:07 PM   #44 
  - i suspect those who want to believe Prop 8 passed because of black voters  noiretblu   Nov-10-08 05:23 PM   #47 
  - Thank you for your post  goclark   Nov-10-08 05:52 PM   #49 
  - goclark, I have your back.  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 05:54 PM   #51 
  - thanks sfexpat2000  goclark   Nov-10-08 06:22 PM   #56 
  - i know what you mean...i am also a AA who voted no on 8  noiretblu   Nov-10-08 05:55 PM   #52 
     - Thanks noireblu  goclark   Nov-10-08 06:37 PM   #57 
        - aside from a few obdurant types here  noiretblu   Nov-10-08 07:06 PM   #64 
           - I do appreciate your thoughts  goclark   Nov-10-08 08:25 PM   #65 
  - It's hard to understand why someone would be so ready to "fix" black culture  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 06:02 PM   #53 
     - they believe black people are more homophobic  noiretblu   Nov-10-08 06:05 PM   #54 
        - Well, for a community that prides itself on being fact based, we fail. n/t  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 06:08 PM   #55 
        - It's not just a "meme" that has been circulating for a few years.  ContinentalOp   Nov-11-08 10:51 AM   #71 
           - i do think it has reached meme status here  noiretblu   Nov-11-08 12:30 PM   #72 
           - But it sure as Hell worked as intended in this issue!  Karenina   Nov-11-08 01:28 PM   #73 
  - Dot connecting time  Bluenorthwest   Nov-10-08 05:42 PM   #48 
  - And they pushed it off on black voters.  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 05:53 PM   #50 
  - Bingo! That is exactly what I think happened  goclark   Nov-10-08 07:01 PM   #63 
     - This is an excerpt from a People for the American Way memo  Karenina   Nov-11-08 05:31 AM   #66 
  - k&r  MPK   Nov-10-08 06:47 PM   #59 
  - Thank you. It takes us so long to sort out what's real.  sfexpat2000   Nov-10-08 06:56 PM   #62 
     - Thanks so much ~ we liberals tend to be so passionate  goclark   Nov-11-08 10:29 AM   #67 
  - when all that is said an done there is one conclusion  mitchtv   Nov-11-08 01:56 PM   #74 
     - We, of many descriptions on this board, DID NOT SUPPORT IT.  Karenina   Nov-11-08 03:54 PM   #75 
     - anyone say you did?  mitchtv   Nov-11-08 03:58 PM   #76 
     - So very quick to brush off the scapegoating of black CA voters.  sfexpat2000   Nov-12-08 02:44 PM   #79 

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