| 184. this is the sad thing about this |
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Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 12:08 PM by indigo32
Kids get hurt too often.
just yesterday I was talking with my partner about her nephew. He asked his aunt for a ride to get his ear pierced. After confirming with him that this was discussed with his parents (and he had had it pierced in the past, I was with when she took him last time... helped confirm that it was positioned correctly ect...), she agreed and they were on their way. So halfway there she gets a call from his mother, she gave the phone to him, and could her her saying NO 'it's so gay! it's so gay!' (never mind that that idiocy is about 20-25 years out of date). This boy is 15 and very possibly gay, though not necessarilly, and getting messages from his parents that are almost as nasty as my partner absorbed growing up, and she is never going to overcome those messages, she is forever damaged by them. I can only hope things have changed enough for him, I think they have at least in the sense that his siblings are supportive of him. She does what she can within the framework she operates in, but it kills me every time I hear it. I think the kids still get let down by adults in their life FAR to often.
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| -So what do we tell the 13 year old gay kid? |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 08:29 PM |
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we tell him or her that s/he sucks |
dsc |
Nov-09-08 08:31 PM |
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Not the right msg |
funkybug |
Nov-09-08 08:51 PM |
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Lets worry about keeping the 13 YO fed. n/t |
galileoreloaded |
Nov-09-08 10:02 PM |
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Why so the kid can just blow his or her brains out? 1/3 of juvenile suicides are LGBT. |
readmoreoften |
Nov-09-08 10:54 PM |
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Sadly, not for the foreseeable future can she or he expect true equality |
David Dunham |
Nov-09-08 08:31 PM |
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What was Obama told about being President when he was 13? |
pending |
Nov-09-08 08:32 PM |
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not just 34 years ago, but i would say 4-8 years ago also |
JI7 |
Nov-09-08 08:33 PM |
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you tell them that Obama could not have been elected not too long ago |
JI7 |
Nov-09-08 08:32 PM |
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Obama, as a child, could think about growing up and getting married |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 08:39 PM |
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yes, but if his mother and father wanted to marry at one time they couldn't |
JI7 |
Nov-09-08 08:44 PM |
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And strangely enough, Obama didn't learn the lesson of that. |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 08:46 PM |
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Obama opposed Proposition 8 |
JI7 |
Nov-09-08 08:49 PM |
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Modestly. And also articulated his opposition to marriage, which boosted Yes on 8. |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 08:52 PM |
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it's disappointing but it's politics, i do think Obama will improve |
JI7 |
Nov-09-08 09:02 PM |
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That's something to hope for. |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 09:04 PM |
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not so. not in MA and not in CT |
cali |
Nov-10-08 04:58 AM |
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Something about camps and shock therapy, I suppose. |
LeftyMom |
Nov-09-08 08:32 PM |
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unfortunately few 13 yr old gay kids even have FAMILY they can share with let alone dreams of a |
msongs |
Nov-09-08 08:32 PM |
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Sadly true. |
JohnnyLib2 |
Nov-09-08 08:39 PM |
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"when the bigots talk about the "children", gay children are never part of their conversation" |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-09-08 08:35 PM |
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exactly -NT |
indigo32 |
Nov-10-08 11:46 AM |
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Conservative parents would force him into "reparative" therapy |
bluestateguy |
Nov-09-08 08:37 PM |
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My dad thought that was a good idea with my brother. |
kcass1954 |
Nov-09-08 09:03 PM |
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We tell her or him that one ballot measure lost but that the vote |
Old Crusoe |
Nov-09-08 08:37 PM |
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I think you should email this question to Jack Cafferty at CNN |
ellius101 |
Nov-09-08 08:38 PM |
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be my guest |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 08:43 PM |
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We lie. We tell him his equality is important to a lot of people, and they don't think he's |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 08:45 PM |
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We cool it, |
elleng |
Nov-09-08 08:49 PM |
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Women didn't get the vote by "cooling it" |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 08:55 PM |
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And we don't WANT to be California anymore. I even took "Go West" off heavy Ipod rotation. |
closeupready |
Nov-09-08 09:48 PM |
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Nov-09-08 08:50 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Nov-09-08 08:52 PM |
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how about- rome wasn't built in a day? |
mopinko |
Nov-09-08 09:08 PM |
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GOOD mopinko!!!! |
elleng |
Nov-09-08 09:09 PM |
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You've got to be shitting me. |
Bluebear |
Nov-09-08 09:11 PM |
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Seriously |
haruka3_2000 |
Nov-09-08 09:51 PM |
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It's like you never left. |
Bluebear |
Nov-09-08 09:56 PM |
#106 |
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Well, at least things picked up right where they were left off |
haruka3_2000 |
Nov-09-08 10:01 PM |
#120 |
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Hope your clothing can handle treadmarks |
Chulanowa |
Nov-09-08 09:57 PM |
#112 |
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We hardly ever get out from under the bus. In fact, we like it down here! |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 10:00 PM |
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A lot of good progressives have ended up under there lately. n/t |
QC |
Nov-09-08 10:00 PM |
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That's because this is the best place to party! |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 10:01 PM |
#121 |
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You can say that again. n/t |
Jamastiene |
Nov-09-08 10:25 PM |
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Ah... I think i'll pass. How's the transmission looking? |
Chulanowa |
Nov-10-08 12:29 AM |
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We can see how well this new Columbia fleece jacket (courtesy of John Hancock) can handle it |
haruka3_2000 |
Nov-09-08 10:02 PM |
#123 |
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Nothing has changed. |
Jamastiene |
Nov-09-08 10:25 PM |
#147 |
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I know |
haruka3_2000 |
Nov-09-08 10:27 PM |
#149 |
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FANTASTIC show of support. He must be your friend. Not like those filthy queers. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:35 PM |
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Nov-09-08 10:12 PM |
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Thank you! |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 10:19 PM |
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and just because you don't care about something |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 09:10 PM |
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did i say i didn't care? i do. |
mopinko |
Nov-09-08 09:26 PM |
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I know that this will come as a complete surprise to you, but the OP was not about you. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:27 PM |
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explain to me how the OP is in any way, shape or form "flamebait" |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 09:32 PM |
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Psst. Google "narcissistic personality disorder." Just a suggestion. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:34 PM |
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I'm beginning to suspect that |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 09:39 PM |
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Damn. I had the gender wrong. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:42 PM |
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See if she has a button you can buy |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 09:44 PM |
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I love it! I want one desperately. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:45 PM |
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"Have you shit on your friends today?" |
Bluebear |
Nov-09-08 09:47 PM |
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And the old chestnut - "Sit down and shut up until we feel like bothering with you." |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:49 PM |
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that one alone pays the mortgage |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 09:51 PM |
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Well, that makes sense. Just go read any thread about "gifted" people where that poster replies. |
Zhade |
Nov-09-08 09:54 PM |
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it's a term defined by the DSM, the manual that once classified homosexuality a disorder |
foo_bar |
Nov-10-08 05:03 AM |
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In other words. HEY!! You queers!!! STFU and sit down!!!! |
Midlodemocrat |
Nov-09-08 09:33 PM |
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I recommend this post |
haruka3_2000 |
Nov-09-08 09:53 PM |
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Yup. And it's crazy - it's not like we're going to do that. |
Zhade |
Nov-09-08 09:56 PM |
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Actually, Barack is one. |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 09:34 PM |
#67 |
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Psssssst........ |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-09-08 10:15 PM |
#136 |
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I voted for him, and I'm giving him a chance. |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 10:17 PM |
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I see one person "treating people like shit." And one person praising it. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:36 PM |
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Perspective? You'd rather feel good at the expense of discussing this issue. |
Zhade |
Nov-09-08 09:52 PM |
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How is asking a question shitting on people? |
Jamastiene |
Nov-09-08 10:28 PM |
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Yeah, but they were bridge-burny kinds of questions. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 10:39 PM |
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Let me understand. Human rights are a reward for being polite. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:23 PM |
#47 |
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Silly! "Pick your battles!" |
Bluebear |
Nov-09-08 09:24 PM |
#49 |
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that's not what i said, either. |
mopinko |
Nov-09-08 09:29 PM |
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Revision. Now I think I get it. Human rights are to be denied to those who "shit on their friends" |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:31 PM |
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Who has been "shitting on their friends" since Tuesday? |
Bluebear |
Nov-09-08 09:32 PM |
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According to melt-down over there, human rights are a reward for being cool and polite. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:40 PM |
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Our friends aren't being shit on. Enemies of civil rights are being shit on. NT |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 09:36 PM |
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Where did you get the idea that you GIVE us our rights? |
Zhade |
Nov-09-08 09:57 PM |
#111 |
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Now don't be rude or we'll never get rights! We gotta ask real nice. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 10:00 PM |
#118 |
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Lemme get this shit off my face |
mitchtv |
Nov-09-08 10:16 PM |
#137 |
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Rights are not won. Rights are bestowed by the government. |
Jamastiene |
Nov-09-08 10:32 PM |
#151 |
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Human rights are "won"? |
kgfnally |
Nov-10-08 11:40 AM |
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Bluebear |
Nov-10-08 05:58 PM |
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Are you kidding? Seriously? The GLBT community should just |
Midlodemocrat |
Nov-09-08 09:24 PM |
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Thank you. Thank you very much! |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:28 PM |
#57 |
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that's not what i said, either. |
mopinko |
Nov-09-08 09:35 PM |
#70 |
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Hey, genius. Know thy enemy. |
Midlodemocrat |
Nov-09-08 09:38 PM |
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Definitely top three |
haruka3_2000 |
Nov-09-08 09:55 PM |
#102 |
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Man. I LOVE you. And not in that whole sexual lesbian flvegan fantasy way. |
Midlodemocrat |
Nov-09-08 09:57 PM |
#108 |
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I love you too, but not in that - you know, that gay way. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:59 PM |
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We don't live that far from each other. We should get together |
Midlodemocrat |
Nov-09-08 10:02 PM |
#122 |
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Great idea! Let's meet for lunch some weekend! |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 10:02 PM |
#125 |
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She'll make you pick up her wine tab |
haruka3_2000 |
Nov-09-08 10:09 PM |
#133 |
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You need to come up to NJ |
haruka3_2000 |
Nov-09-08 10:07 PM |
#131 |
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I love you, too |
haruka3_2000 |
Nov-09-08 10:06 PM |
#130 |
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YOU are the only person "flaming" anybody in this thread. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:39 PM |
#75 |
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Our friends don't criticize us for discussing this topic. |
Zhade |
Nov-09-08 10:01 PM |
#119 |
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McClurkin. |
Jamastiene |
Nov-09-08 10:34 PM |
#152 |
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Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck. |
Jamastiene |
Nov-09-08 10:36 PM |
#154 |
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who are you arguing with? nt. |
IndianaJones |
Nov-09-08 10:37 PM |
#155 |
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Thank you, my ally! |
Zhade |
Nov-09-08 09:58 PM |
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I do get it. I've gotten it for years. And the ignorance makes me sick to my stomach. |
Midlodemocrat |
Nov-09-08 10:03 PM |
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I'll pick my battles. Be assured, after Prop 8 I'll be very picky. NT |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 09:26 PM |
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VERY picky, indeed. |
Jamastiene |
Nov-09-08 10:38 PM |
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"everyone who doesn't agree with you 100% of the time is not your mortal enemy" |
Zhade |
Nov-09-08 09:53 PM |
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Now, there you go burning bridges and stuff. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:55 PM |
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quite an ironic sig pic. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Nov-09-08 09:05 PM |
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I don't know if it's satire or worn proudly. |
Bluebear |
Nov-09-08 09:12 PM |
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Some have said President Lincoln was gay. |
HypnoToad |
Nov-09-08 08:52 PM |
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People have been asking about you in El Loungo. nt |
RadiationTherapy |
Nov-09-08 09:13 PM |
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good one |
mitchtv |
Nov-09-08 10:20 PM |
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Tell him/her this: "Eventually, they will die off." |
Independent_Voice |
Nov-09-08 08:52 PM |
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That's actually a very, very good point. |
Zhade |
Nov-09-08 10:03 PM |
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I would tell them you love them. Like I told my gay daughter when she was 13. |
Arctic Dave |
Nov-09-08 08:59 PM |
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you're a good dad |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 09:01 PM |
#29 |
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Thank you. |
Arctic Dave |
Nov-09-08 09:04 PM |
#32 |
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I don't know what to say. |
ColbertWatcher |
Nov-09-08 08:59 PM |
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He can't use the term married for his partner |
dmordue |
Nov-09-08 09:10 PM |
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Fantastic contribution. |
Harvey Korman |
Nov-09-08 09:16 PM |
#45 |
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I'm to the point where I don't know why I even bother. |
Midlodemocrat |
Nov-09-08 09:26 PM |
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I realize that its a small minority of jerks. Most DUers don't agree with the gay bashing. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:29 PM |
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I'm just getting tired. I am SO glad that my three kids |
Midlodemocrat |
Nov-09-08 09:32 PM |
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It is wonderful to see how easily the younger generation gets it. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:43 PM |
#79 |
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Interestingly, my husband and I were discussing this very issue this |
Midlodemocrat |
Nov-09-08 09:48 PM |
#88 |
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I have nothing to add. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:54 PM |
#99 |
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You're not. They are a breath of fresh air. |
Zhade |
Nov-09-08 10:06 PM |
#129 |
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I would like to add my thanks to yours. Thank you, huge majority of DU, for being supporters! |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 10:38 PM |
#156 |
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They are in fact |
mitchtv |
Nov-09-08 10:23 PM |
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And we all know how THAT election turned out |
haruka3_2000 |
Nov-09-08 09:57 PM |
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Nor can he and his partner see each other if incapacitated in the hospital in most states. |
mondo joe |
Nov-09-08 09:24 PM |
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More than a thousand. More than a thousand rights associated with marriage. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:33 PM |
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Plus, he can't have the more than 1,000 rights given to married people, even if he has a partner. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:26 PM |
#53 |
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how about girls? |
Skittles |
Nov-09-08 09:10 PM |
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It's a valid point. That said, please move past the primaries already. |
Zhade |
Nov-09-08 10:08 PM |
#132 |
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it's nothing to do with the primaries |
Skittles |
Nov-09-08 10:19 PM |
#140 |
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We tell him or her hate is hate |
ismnotwasm |
Nov-09-08 09:11 PM |
#40 |
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I don't know. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Nov-09-08 09:13 PM |
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Tell them Thomas Jefferson was right: "A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass |
Stop Cornyn |
Nov-09-08 09:22 PM |
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Stay away from the Catholic Church and the LDS Church. nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-09-08 09:24 PM |
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Well, I'm a Catholic and I think I'm probably one of the most vocal |
Midlodemocrat |
Nov-09-08 09:35 PM |
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Shout out to Catholics! My partner is Catholic and so are her parents. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:47 PM |
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LOL. We used to say my mom was going to be the next Pope. |
Midlodemocrat |
Nov-09-08 09:49 PM |
#90 |
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Sorry if i offend, but i don't like it when the churches interfer with legislation. nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-10-08 01:35 AM |
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Don't compare Catholics with the LDS |
haruka3_2000 |
Nov-09-08 09:59 PM |
#114 |
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I did not compare. However, there are a lot of similarities. |
rhett o rick |
Nov-10-08 02:35 PM |
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whatever. |
mopinko |
Nov-09-08 09:39 PM |
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Right. It's the fault of the people who don't want to have their |
Midlodemocrat |
Nov-09-08 09:43 PM |
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Mopinko, you're right... |
ellius101 |
Nov-09-08 09:44 PM |
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Thank you, ellius101. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:45 PM |
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** fist bump ** |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 09:46 PM |
#85 |
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Holy Crap!!! You're a terrorist? I KNEW IT!!!!! |
Midlodemocrat |
Nov-09-08 09:50 PM |
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Well he IS queer. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:52 PM |
#95 |
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He is???? I wish you had told me. Now I need hand sanitizer. |
Midlodemocrat |
Nov-09-08 09:56 PM |
#104 |
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Wait. He might not be - he might be straight but a fan of human rights. |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 09:57 PM |
#110 |
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Being a terrorist.... |
ellius101 |
Nov-09-08 09:56 PM |
#107 |
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Have a good evening. You're one of my new best friends! |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 10:04 PM |
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I'm the bastard son of Bill Ayres |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 09:54 PM |
#100 |
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... |
Jamastiene |
Nov-09-08 10:52 PM |
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... |
Jamastiene |
Nov-09-08 10:52 PM |
#162 |
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Thank you for that. |
Zhade |
Nov-09-08 10:10 PM |
#134 |
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you know, it's like when your siblings are fighting. |
mopinko |
Nov-09-08 10:35 PM |
#153 |
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I repeat |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 10:41 PM |
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if that is a sincere question, i will answer it in the morning. nt |
mopinko |
Nov-09-08 11:01 PM |
#165 |
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It was sincere the first time I typed it |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 11:06 PM |
#166 |
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me too. |
mopinko |
Nov-09-08 11:23 PM |
#168 |
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I'll say it on this thread as well... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-10-08 04:30 AM |
#177 |
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'we need to be tolerant of people who believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman' |
Bluebear |
Nov-10-08 06:34 PM |
#189 |
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tell them - anyone gives you shit about being gay? tell them to fuck off after you hit them with a |
Imagevision |
Nov-09-08 10:16 PM |
#138 |
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You live in an uncivilized country that is not as evolved as much as so many other |
Jamastiene |
Nov-09-08 10:20 PM |
#143 |
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NEVER GIVE UP |
Cali_Democrat |
Nov-09-08 10:20 PM |
#144 |
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It's true, Americans do make a big deal out of sex... |
Imagevision |
Nov-09-08 10:24 PM |
#146 |
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According to some here we tell them "shut up and stop complaining about the weight of the bus" |
GreenJ |
Nov-09-08 10:41 PM |
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We tell him that there is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with him, but that there are people who believe |
bob_weaver |
Nov-09-08 10:55 PM |
#164 |
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I think we have to tell them the truth: They're facing a lot of prejudice. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-09-08 11:09 PM |
#167 |
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Tell him to limit discussion of this issue to the Prop 8 Forum |
QC |
Nov-09-08 11:27 PM |
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LOL! |
yardwork |
Nov-09-08 11:36 PM |
#170 |
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lol |
ruggerson |
Nov-09-08 11:59 PM |
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-- |
Bluebear |
Nov-10-08 02:47 AM |
#175 |
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It sucks so hard. |
Withywindle |
Nov-10-08 01:59 AM |
#174 |
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we tell them to hold on, and don't give up. I have a anti-suicide video on youtube for that, |
themartyred |
Nov-10-08 02:53 AM |
#176 |
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Well tell them that they can be anything |
CreekDog |
Nov-10-08 05:46 AM |
#180 |
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the other side would argue that a 13-year-old can't possibly know . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Nov-10-08 11:10 AM |
#181 |
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this is the sad thing about this |
indigo32 |
Nov-10-08 12:07 PM |
#184 |
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Letter from a Vermont Mother |
Martin Eden |
Nov-10-08 12:22 PM |
#185 |
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OMG that is such a sad letter |
carlyhippy |
Nov-10-08 02:48 PM |
#187 |
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from what I've seen lately, tell him/her to STFU and get in the back of the bus. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Nov-10-08 06:35 PM |
#190 |
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Gay is the new black! |
grahamhgreen |
Nov-10-08 06:36 PM |
#191 |