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Sun Mar-18-07 04:38 PM
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| 62. I wish for your son to be out of harms way, but |
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Edited on Sun Mar-18-07 04:39 PM by still_one
"They must follow orderS, the cahin of command must not be broken...'
What if the action is an immoral action?
That excuse didn't fly in the Nurenburg trials?
What if you are asked to follow an immoral order?
Incidently, I believe the National Guard are being illegally used in this purpose
The National Guard is to protect the homeland...
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| -This is a volunteer military. No one forced them to enlist, and I don't see many refusing to serve |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 02:14 PM |
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You don't understand |
demnan |
Mar-18-07 02:17 PM |
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You don't have to have kids to feel differently. Just rationality suffices. |
BlooInBloo |
Mar-18-07 02:21 PM |
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There are also tons of new recruits |
shadowknows69 |
Mar-18-07 02:38 PM |
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no you are not. I lived through Viet Nam, and I saw the blood lust against the "gooks" |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:17 PM |
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Do you remember Viet Nam? I do |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:10 PM |
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VERY Well Said. |
stirlingsliver |
Mar-18-07 04:16 PM |
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those who cannot remember the past who are condemned to repeat it. |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:21 PM |
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Welcome to DU, stirlingsliver! |
Cabcere |
Mar-18-07 04:57 PM |
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Are you saying soldiers deserve "What they get" |
Mick Knox |
Mar-18-07 02:18 PM |
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I am saying that when you go to war, especially one that is based on a lie, |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:16 PM |
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To date, no international or national legal body has yet declared the war bona fide illegal |
Selatius |
Mar-18-07 02:18 PM |
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How civilized........ NOT |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:22 PM |
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Sadly, many of those in the military are there because it is the only |
southerncrone |
Mar-18-07 02:18 PM |
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Thanks for pointing this out. |
madeline_con |
Mar-18-07 02:22 PM |
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They are actually quite aggressive these days. |
southerncrone |
Mar-18-07 02:45 PM |
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And they do not always work fairly. I was visiting a Reservation |
jwirr |
Mar-18-07 03:16 PM |
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OK, join an illegal war to get a college education. Is that moral? /nt |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:25 PM |
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Let me ask you a question: If a person is given a choice to engage in an illegal war |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:24 PM |
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So, they risk ourt martial, no income and possible military jail |
madeline_con |
Mar-18-07 02:18 PM |
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Especially the ones who enlisted in the National Guard |
tbyg52 |
Mar-18-07 02:22 PM |
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shameful n/t |
madeline_con |
Mar-18-07 02:23 PM |
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It can be argued that it is even illegal to use the National Guard in this way |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:30 PM |
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Yeah ... but it's easier to throw stones from the cheap seats. |
TahitiNut |
Mar-18-07 03:12 PM |
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What are the young people putting their lives on the line for? |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:33 PM |
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Excellent question! Would anyone really accept that??? |
NotGivingUp |
Mar-18-07 05:31 PM |
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Perhaps the disinformation is that pervasive |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 05:43 PM |
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So the soldier at Mai Lai, when told to destroy the village had to do it |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:28 PM |
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My Son is one of the soldiers of which you speak |
dogday |
Mar-18-07 02:26 PM |
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Only paritally correct. |
Warren Stupidity |
Mar-18-07 02:58 PM |
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Breakdown in the Chain of Command |
dogday |
Mar-18-07 03:07 PM |
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You need to go google UCMJ and illegal orders. |
Warren Stupidity |
Mar-18-07 03:18 PM |
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How can you say it's illegal when criminals make the laws, though? |
ends_dont_justify |
Mar-18-07 03:28 PM |
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Oh I agree. |
Warren Stupidity |
Mar-18-07 05:19 PM |
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There are, and there are rare circumstances when a man |
dogday |
Mar-18-07 03:31 PM |
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I wish for your son to be out of harms way, but |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:38 PM |
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Harsh Much |
Madspirit |
Mar-18-07 02:26 PM |
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Flame bait. |
Buzz Clik |
Mar-18-07 02:29 PM |
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Very much flame bait |
Mick Knox |
Mar-18-07 02:30 PM |
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I beg to differ. I am not posting to make anyone "look bad", except myself in your view |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:55 PM |
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I don't have family over there but let me firmly attach myself |
cali |
Mar-18-07 02:38 PM |
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count me in too n/t |
Kingshakabobo |
Mar-18-07 03:28 PM |
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First this is not intended as flame bait, but to ask a moral question |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 05:02 PM |
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Your opening post was not asking a question but making a statement: |
Buzz Clik |
Mar-18-07 06:14 PM |
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Five years from now when we are still there, and we will be, what will be the excuse |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:40 PM |
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Likewise. n/t |
SheWhoMustBeObeyed |
Mar-18-07 05:41 PM |
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Back from a while ago I read many of these kids were outright told they won't go to iraq |
ends_dont_justify |
Mar-18-07 02:33 PM |
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I blame bush, but I also blame the American people. There has been no real debate on Iraq |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 05:12 PM |
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It's long been an honorable profession. Then came Bush and his |
JohnnyLib2 |
Mar-18-07 02:34 PM |
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Many of those soldiers joined after 9-11 |
thecatburgler |
Mar-18-07 02:35 PM |
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Many joined much later |
shadowknows69 |
Mar-18-07 02:59 PM |
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Haven't you heard of Watada? He declined on the issue of illegality |
Robbien |
Mar-18-07 02:37 PM |
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Yes, and he will be honored for his courage to say enough it enough |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:43 PM |
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"Am I being harsh?" |
tbyg52 |
Mar-18-07 02:40 PM |
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That is definitely a fair critisism. I realize it is not that simple |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 04:46 PM |
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Hmm... Posts Flame Bait... Doesn't Respond... Has Disabled Profile... |
WillyT |
Mar-18-07 02:44 PM |
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I have been posting, just a little late getting started |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 05:46 PM |
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"...People pay for the consequences of their actions...." |
kestrel91316 |
Mar-18-07 02:48 PM |
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In this case, *other* people pay for the cabal's actions |
tbyg52 |
Mar-18-07 02:56 PM |
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I suppose a mass guillotining a la The Terror in Paris during |
kestrel91316 |
Mar-18-07 03:02 PM |
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When you have mccain have to appologize for saying we have wasted our young in Iraq |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 05:16 PM |
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Yes you are being harsh! |
Texasgal |
Mar-18-07 02:49 PM |
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Knowing the mess this war is |
shadowknows69 |
Mar-18-07 02:58 PM |
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Really? |
Texasgal |
Mar-18-07 03:02 PM |
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My statement had nothing to do with people who joined 10 years ago |
shadowknows69 |
Mar-18-07 03:09 PM |
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I'd like to see some sort of proof that |
Texasgal |
Mar-18-07 03:13 PM |
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The only proof I have is from the words of the troops themselves |
shadowknows69 |
Mar-18-07 05:04 PM |
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The military is seeking warm bodies... |
hootinholler |
Mar-18-07 05:20 PM |
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I am not trying to "bash" the troops |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 05:24 PM |
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Not necessarily. |
Cabcere |
Mar-18-07 03:19 PM |
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Never said all |
shadowknows69 |
Mar-18-07 05:06 PM |
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Fair enough. |
Cabcere |
Mar-18-07 05:12 PM |
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Understand, I've met literally hundreds of these guys and girls |
shadowknows69 |
Mar-18-07 05:22 PM |
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When I click on a controversial topic I always look for the OP response |
angstlessk |
Mar-18-07 03:03 PM |
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Bingo !!! |
WillyT |
Mar-18-07 03:25 PM |
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Bingo. nm |
dicksteele |
Mar-18-07 03:42 PM |
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I am responding, I just got to it late. There are moral questions of war and individual |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 05:08 PM |
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You are also being quite ignoranat of how the UCMJ works |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-18-07 03:18 PM |
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I saw a show on HD net about quite a few going to Canada. Anyone else see that? |
helderheid |
Mar-18-07 03:27 PM |
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When you raise your hand and take an oath to serve....... |
DarbyUSMC |
Mar-18-07 03:37 PM |
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you are correct, things are not that simple |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 06:03 PM |
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Our soldiers are, for the most part, noble and necessary |
Katzenkavalier |
Mar-18-07 03:40 PM |
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YOU know it was illegal, and I know it was illegal, and BUSHCO knew it was illegal, |
WinkyDink |
Mar-18-07 03:43 PM |
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You have a point, I shouldn't throw this on the low ranking soldier |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 05:41 PM |
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Too much to lose |
mitchtv |
Mar-18-07 03:55 PM |
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I am split on this one. Granted, some didn't really have a choice |
ComerPerro |
Mar-18-07 04:12 PM |
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A month or so ago a 20 year old from my town was |
LibDemAlways |
Mar-18-07 04:29 PM |
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What defense? |
sanskritwarrior |
Mar-18-07 05:00 PM |
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Here's what you should do. Go sign up, go over, lay down your |
MrsGrumpy |
Mar-18-07 05:02 PM |
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Interesting, I believe the war is illegal and immoral, and you say I should set an example? |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 05:07 PM |
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I'm saying it's easier said than done, still_one. You, as a Vet, should |
MrsGrumpy |
Mar-18-07 05:20 PM |
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I've said for a while we should be assembling at military bases |
shadowknows69 |
Mar-18-07 05:25 PM |
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I am not a vet MrsGrumpy, I refused to go to Viet Nam, sorry if you had a different impression |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 05:31 PM |
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Then we stand together in that. |
MrsGrumpy |
Mar-18-07 05:44 PM |
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I just see history getting repeated again, and hope I am wrong |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 05:50 PM |
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I just hope some Iraqis don't come over here and kill Americans to get money for a better education |
NNN0LHI |
Mar-18-07 05:50 PM |
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lots of republicans refuse to enlist, Yellow Elephants - every last one of them |
TheBaldyMan |
Mar-18-07 05:53 PM |
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I definitely agree with getting us out of Iraq |
still_one |
Mar-18-07 05:57 PM |
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The soldiers in Iraq are fighting for two causes |
walldude |
Mar-18-07 06:09 PM |
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Locking. |
Fenris |
Mar-18-07 06:15 PM |
#98 |
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