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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-18-07 04:38 PM
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62. I wish for your son to be out of harms way, but
Edited on Sun Mar-18-07 04:39 PM by still_one
"They must follow orderS, the cahin of command must not be broken...'

What if the action is an immoral action?

That excuse didn't fly in the Nurenburg trials?

What if you are asked to follow an immoral order?

Incidently, I believe the National Guard are being illegally used in this purpose

The National Guard is to protect the homeland...

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  -This is a volunteer military. No one forced them to enlist, and I don't see many refusing to serve still_one  Mar-18-07 02:14 PM   #0 
  - You don't understand  demnan   Mar-18-07 02:17 PM   #1 
  - You don't have to have kids to feel differently. Just rationality suffices.  BlooInBloo   Mar-18-07 02:21 PM   #5 
  - There are also tons of new recruits  shadowknows69   Mar-18-07 02:38 PM   #17 
  - no you are not. I lived through Viet Nam, and I saw the blood lust against the "gooks"  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:17 PM   #53 
  - Do you remember Viet Nam? I do  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:10 PM   #49 
     - VERY Well Said.  stirlingsliver   Mar-18-07 04:16 PM   #52 
        - those who cannot remember the past who are condemned to repeat it.  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:21 PM   #54 
        - Welcome to DU, stirlingsliver!  Cabcere   Mar-18-07 04:57 PM   #67 
  - Are you saying soldiers deserve "What they get"  Mick Knox   Mar-18-07 02:18 PM   # 
  - I am saying that when you go to war, especially one that is based on a lie,  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:16 PM   #51 
  - To date, no international or national legal body has yet declared the war bona fide illegal  Selatius   Mar-18-07 02:18 PM   #2 
  - How civilized........ NOT  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:22 PM   #55 
  - Sadly, many of those in the military are there because it is the only  southerncrone   Mar-18-07 02:18 PM   #3 
  - Thanks for pointing this out.  madeline_con   Mar-18-07 02:22 PM   #6 
  - They are actually quite aggressive these days.  southerncrone   Mar-18-07 02:45 PM   #21 
  - And they do not always work fairly. I was visiting a Reservation  jwirr   Mar-18-07 03:16 PM   #35 
  - OK, join an illegal war to get a college education. Is that moral? /nt  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:25 PM   #57 
  - Let me ask you a question: If a person is given a choice to engage in an illegal war  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:24 PM   #56 
  - So, they risk ourt martial, no income and possible military jail  madeline_con   Mar-18-07 02:18 PM   #4 
  - Especially the ones who enlisted in the National Guard  tbyg52   Mar-18-07 02:22 PM   #7 
  - shameful n/t  madeline_con   Mar-18-07 02:23 PM   #8 
  - It can be argued that it is even illegal to use the National Guard in this way  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:30 PM   #60 
  - Yeah ... but it's easier to throw stones from the cheap seats.  TahitiNut   Mar-18-07 03:12 PM   #33 
  - What are the young people putting their lives on the line for?  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:33 PM   #61 
     - Excellent question! Would anyone really accept that???  NotGivingUp   Mar-18-07 05:31 PM   #84 
        - Perhaps the disinformation is that pervasive  still_one   Mar-18-07 05:43 PM   #88 
  - So the soldier at Mai Lai, when told to destroy the village had to do it  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:28 PM   #58 
  - My Son is one of the soldiers of which you speak  dogday   Mar-18-07 02:26 PM   #9 
  - Only paritally correct.  Warren Stupidity   Mar-18-07 02:58 PM   #26 
  - Breakdown in the Chain of Command  dogday   Mar-18-07 03:07 PM   #31 
     - You need to go google UCMJ and illegal orders.  Warren Stupidity   Mar-18-07 03:18 PM   #37 
        - How can you say it's illegal when criminals make the laws, though?  ends_dont_justify   Mar-18-07 03:28 PM   #41 
        - Oh I agree.  Warren Stupidity   Mar-18-07 05:19 PM   #78 
        - There are, and there are rare circumstances when a man  dogday   Mar-18-07 03:31 PM   #43 
  - I wish for your son to be out of harms way, but  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:38 PM   #62 
  - Harsh Much  Madspirit   Mar-18-07 02:26 PM   #10 
  - Flame bait.  Buzz Clik   Mar-18-07 02:29 PM   #11 
  - Very much flame bait  Mick Knox   Mar-18-07 02:30 PM   #12 
  - I beg to differ. I am not posting to make anyone "look bad", except myself in your view  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:55 PM   #66 
  - I don't have family over there but let me firmly attach myself  cali   Mar-18-07 02:38 PM   #18 
  - count me in too n/t  Kingshakabobo   Mar-18-07 03:28 PM   #42 
  - First this is not intended as flame bait, but to ask a moral question  still_one   Mar-18-07 05:02 PM   #69 
     - Your opening post was not asking a question but making a statement:  Buzz Clik   Mar-18-07 06:14 PM   #97 
  - Five years from now when we are still there, and we will be, what will be the excuse  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:40 PM   #63 
  - Likewise. n/t  SheWhoMustBeObeyed   Mar-18-07 05:41 PM   #87 
  - Back from a while ago I read many of these kids were outright told they won't go to iraq  ends_dont_justify   Mar-18-07 02:33 PM   #13 
  - I blame bush, but I also blame the American people. There has been no real debate on Iraq  still_one   Mar-18-07 05:12 PM   #75 
  - It's long been an honorable profession. Then came Bush and his  JohnnyLib2   Mar-18-07 02:34 PM   #14 
  - Many of those soldiers joined after 9-11  thecatburgler   Mar-18-07 02:35 PM   #15 
  - Many joined much later  shadowknows69   Mar-18-07 02:59 PM   #27 
  - Haven't you heard of Watada? He declined on the issue of illegality  Robbien   Mar-18-07 02:37 PM   #16 
  - Yes, and he will be honored for his courage to say enough it enough  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:43 PM   #64 
  - "Am I being harsh?"  tbyg52   Mar-18-07 02:40 PM   #19 
  - That is definitely a fair critisism. I realize it is not that simple  still_one   Mar-18-07 04:46 PM   #65 
  - Hmm... Posts Flame Bait... Doesn't Respond... Has Disabled Profile...  WillyT   Mar-18-07 02:44 PM   #20 
  - I have been posting, just a little late getting started  still_one   Mar-18-07 05:46 PM   #90 
  - "...People pay for the consequences of their actions...."  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 02:48 PM   #22 
  - In this case, *other* people pay for the cabal's actions  tbyg52   Mar-18-07 02:56 PM   #24 
  - I suppose a mass guillotining a la The Terror in Paris during  kestrel91316   Mar-18-07 03:02 PM   #29 
  - When you have mccain have to appologize for saying we have wasted our young in Iraq  still_one   Mar-18-07 05:16 PM   #77 
  - Yes you are being harsh!  Texasgal   Mar-18-07 02:49 PM   #23 
  - Knowing the mess this war is  shadowknows69   Mar-18-07 02:58 PM   #25 
     - Really?  Texasgal   Mar-18-07 03:02 PM   #28 
     - My statement had nothing to do with people who joined 10 years ago  shadowknows69   Mar-18-07 03:09 PM   #32 
     - I'd like to see some sort of proof that  Texasgal   Mar-18-07 03:13 PM   #34 
        - The only proof I have is from the words of the troops themselves  shadowknows69   Mar-18-07 05:04 PM   #71 
        - The military is seeking warm bodies...  hootinholler   Mar-18-07 05:20 PM   #79 
     - I am not trying to "bash" the troops  still_one   Mar-18-07 05:24 PM   #82 
     - Not necessarily.  Cabcere   Mar-18-07 03:19 PM   #38 
        - Never said all  shadowknows69   Mar-18-07 05:06 PM   #72 
           - Fair enough.  Cabcere   Mar-18-07 05:12 PM   #76 
              - Understand, I've met literally hundreds of these guys and girls  shadowknows69   Mar-18-07 05:22 PM   #81 
  - When I click on a controversial topic I always look for the OP response  angstlessk   Mar-18-07 03:03 PM   #30 
  - Bingo !!!  WillyT   Mar-18-07 03:25 PM   #39 
  - Bingo. nm  dicksteele   Mar-18-07 03:42 PM   #46 
  - I am responding, I just got to it late. There are moral questions of war and individual  still_one   Mar-18-07 05:08 PM   #74 
  - You are also being quite ignoranat of how the UCMJ works  nadinbrzezinski   Mar-18-07 03:18 PM   #36 
  - I saw a show on HD net about quite a few going to Canada. Anyone else see that?  helderheid   Mar-18-07 03:27 PM   #40 
  - When you raise your hand and take an oath to serve.......  DarbyUSMC   Mar-18-07 03:37 PM   #44 
  - you are correct, things are not that simple  still_one   Mar-18-07 06:03 PM   #95 
  - Our soldiers are, for the most part, noble and necessary  Katzenkavalier   Mar-18-07 03:40 PM   #45 
  - YOU know it was illegal, and I know it was illegal, and BUSHCO knew it was illegal,  WinkyDink   Mar-18-07 03:43 PM   #47 
  - You have a point, I shouldn't throw this on the low ranking soldier  still_one   Mar-18-07 05:41 PM   #86 
  - Too much to lose  mitchtv   Mar-18-07 03:55 PM   #48 
  - I am split on this one. Granted, some didn't really have a choice  ComerPerro   Mar-18-07 04:12 PM   #50 
  - A month or so ago a 20 year old from my town was  LibDemAlways   Mar-18-07 04:29 PM   #59 
  - What defense?  sanskritwarrior   Mar-18-07 05:00 PM   #68 
  - Here's what you should do. Go sign up, go over, lay down your  MrsGrumpy   Mar-18-07 05:02 PM   #70 
  - Interesting, I believe the war is illegal and immoral, and you say I should set an example?  still_one   Mar-18-07 05:07 PM   #73 
     - I'm saying it's easier said than done, still_one. You, as a Vet, should  MrsGrumpy   Mar-18-07 05:20 PM   #80 
        - I've said for a while we should be assembling at military bases  shadowknows69   Mar-18-07 05:25 PM   #83 
        - I am not a vet MrsGrumpy, I refused to go to Viet Nam, sorry if you had a different impression  still_one   Mar-18-07 05:31 PM   #85 
           - Then we stand together in that.  MrsGrumpy   Mar-18-07 05:44 PM   #89 
              - I just see history getting repeated again, and hope I am wrong  still_one   Mar-18-07 05:50 PM   #91 
  - I just hope some Iraqis don't come over here and kill Americans to get money for a better education  NNN0LHI   Mar-18-07 05:50 PM   #92 
  - lots of republicans refuse to enlist, Yellow Elephants - every last one of them  TheBaldyMan   Mar-18-07 05:53 PM   #93 
  - I definitely agree with getting us out of Iraq  still_one   Mar-18-07 05:57 PM   #94 
  - The soldiers in Iraq are fighting for two causes  walldude   Mar-18-07 06:09 PM   #96 
  - Locking.  Fenris   Mar-18-07 06:15 PM   #98 

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