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crappyjazz Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-08 10:00 AM
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65. Read some threads
We're all racists and bigots now

Ugh ... I give up
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  -Why has DU become so mind-bendingly stupid in discussing prop 8? jpgray  Nov-08-08 06:28 AM   #0 
  - The fight to stop Prop 8 in California is still going on in the courts. THEY need donations, too.  IanDB1   Nov-08-08 06:33 AM   #1 
  - .  crappyjazz   Nov-08-08 06:37 AM   #2 
  - yet another pompous, longwinded diatribe misreprensenting  jonnyblitz   Nov-08-08 06:42 AM   #3 
  - Good points, somewhat arguable, but good. BUT...  TreasonousBastard   Nov-08-08 06:42 AM   #4 
  - Because there are lots and lots of racists here who needed an excuse to spew bile  HamdenRice   Nov-08-08 06:55 AM   #5 
  - LOL  crappyjazz   Nov-08-08 06:59 AM   #6 
  - Bullshit  haruka3_2000   Nov-08-08 07:12 AM   #13 
  - The mind reels  crappyjazz   Nov-08-08 07:18 AM   #16 
  - Ding ding ding!!!!  chimpymustgo   Nov-08-08 09:54 AM   #59 
     - Yeah - your a dingbat, that's obvious...  TankLV   Nov-08-08 01:55 PM   #130 
  - I do not think it was necessary for you to use a racial slur  Jamastiene   Nov-08-08 07:06 AM   #7 
  - That is your choice and nobody will take that away from you. But you CHOOSE to be offended.  renie408   Nov-08-08 07:10 AM   #10 
  - Yeah! It is way less insulting to lecture people like you are their mother  renie408   Nov-08-08 07:07 AM   #8 
  - I am the stupidest most lecture-y mother on the planet  jpgray   Nov-08-08 07:21 AM   #21 
  - So, you don't believe that the majority of churches in this country  renie408   Nov-08-08 09:24 AM   #46 
  - In all fairness,  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-08 11:07 AM   #82 
     - What we need here is a revival of Unitarian Jihad!  sfexpat2000   Nov-08-08 12:25 PM   #96 
  - And the religious folks who oppose Prop 8 and support equal human rights?  IronLionZion   Nov-08-08 11:55 AM   #90 
     - Every single Episcopal bishop in California came out strongly against Prop 8.  QC   Nov-08-08 12:10 PM   #93 
     - Well gee, if you need to be patted on the back for doing the right thing...  Zhade   Nov-09-08 01:06 AM   #157 
        - The broader the generalization, the narrower the mind  IronLionZion   Nov-10-08 08:10 AM   #173 
  - Exit poll, by religion:  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-08-08 07:09 AM   #9 
  - DING DING DING!! We have ourselves a WINNAH!! n/t  renie408   Nov-08-08 07:11 AM   #11 
  - By the same rationale, you can blame mothers.  jpgray   Nov-08-08 07:14 AM   #14 
  - Because if you are going to change it, you have to understand it.  renie408   Nov-08-08 07:19 AM   #17 
  - Specific aspects of religion -were- a primary factor.  jpgray   Nov-08-08 07:39 AM   #26 
     - What do you think all of those different demographics have in common?  renie408   Nov-08-08 08:24 AM   #35 
        - As far as the voters? Chiefly ignorance. It's why both sides ran ad campaigns  jpgray   Nov-08-08 09:21 AM   #45 
           - Really? You REALLY think that the main reason people voted for prop 8  renie408   Nov-08-08 09:26 AM   #47 
              - If people vote based on hate spewed from the pulpit, the reason is ignorance  jpgray   Nov-08-08 09:40 AM   #50 
              - I find that argument to be sophist.  renie408   Nov-08-08 09:50 AM   #55 
                 - And where did the "OFFICIAL" party line come from?  jpgray   Nov-08-08 10:03 AM   #70 
                    - "Are you saying it is something inherent in religion itself?"  kgfnally   Nov-08-08 12:32 PM   #100 
                    - A combination of cherry picking through the Bible, over 2000 years of tradition and the Pope, in  renie408   Nov-08-08 03:09 PM   #146 
                       - *crickets*  Zhade   Nov-09-08 01:08 AM   #158 
              - The RW churches played the religon angle for latent  bluedawg12   Nov-08-08 09:57 AM   #63 
  - people who are married with kids!  JVS   Nov-08-08 07:21 AM   #20 
  - A little bit of maths:  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-08-08 07:24 AM   #23 
     - This is still daft. Having a Y chromosome increases fairness, by your logic  jpgray   Nov-08-08 07:26 AM   #25 
        - The correlation with religion is statistically significant; with sex or parenthood it isn't  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-08-08 07:51 AM   #30 
           - By that rationale, bigotry did not exist prior to the GOP, organized religion and politics  jpgray   Nov-08-08 08:01 AM   #32 
              - No, by that rationale, the GOP, organized religion and politics *increase* bigotry  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-08-08 08:21 AM   #34 
                 - But are the gullible chiefly to blame, or are the instigators?  jpgray   Nov-08-08 09:32 AM   #48 
                    - There's something in there that goes back to the other part of your OP  spoony   Nov-08-08 09:52 AM   #56 
                    - I'd say they share blame, so saying 'the churches are to blame' sums it up well  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-08-08 11:10 AM   #83 
                    - In any model some degree of generalization is inevitable, and assumed.  OmelasExpat   Nov-08-08 01:05 PM   #110 
                    - Hmmmmmm. That's an interesting point - are the brainwashed guilty?  Zhade   Nov-09-08 01:10 AM   #159 
  - Agreed and thank you for posting the stats  onefreespiritedchick   Nov-08-08 09:44 AM   #52 
  - stock market investors voted against it! Whoo!  IronLionZion   Nov-08-08 11:58 AM   #91 
  - Where is there bigotry against religious folks?  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-08-08 02:45 PM   #142 
     - The blanket statements condemning religion include those who were against Prop 8.  IronLionZion   Nov-08-08 05:01 PM   #154 
  - Religion is a delivery system, the vehicle more than the tenor.  sfexpat2000   Nov-08-08 12:48 PM   #108 
  - 35-36% is not the same as 0%. nt  mcg   Nov-08-08 01:24 PM   #115 
     - See reply #23 (nt)  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-08-08 02:46 PM   #143 
  - Because we're all Trotskyites at heart  dmesg   Nov-08-08 07:11 AM   #12 
  - No. People are attacking each other because an entire segment of the DU  renie408   Nov-08-08 07:16 AM   #15 
  - Thank you for this!  hippywife   Nov-08-08 07:20 AM   #18 
  - Dupe! n/t  hippywife   Nov-08-08 07:21 AM   #19 
  - Sure thing  crappyjazz   Nov-08-08 07:22 AM   #22 
     - I beg to differ with you.  hippywife   Nov-08-08 07:48 AM   #28 
     - DIVIDE AND CONQUER. Great point.  Zhade   Nov-09-08 01:12 AM   #160 
     - Just to add something further  hippywife   Nov-08-08 08:04 AM   #33 
        - I agree with you which may surprise you  crappyjazz   Nov-08-08 08:56 AM   #36 
        - It's really not a matter of pointing it out.  hippywife   Nov-08-08 09:10 AM   #39 
        - They have every reason to be concerned about those that are  crappyjazz   Nov-08-08 09:14 AM   #41 
        - Please try harder and encourage DU members that feel the  goclark   Nov-08-08 09:15 AM   #42 
           - And you will you do the same for those DUers who are calling us bigots, racists and scapegoaters?  crappyjazz   Nov-08-08 09:18 AM   #44 
              - I certainly will and have - that is why I have given huge donations  goclark   Nov-08-08 09:37 AM   #49 
                 - Your post is "telling" as well ...  crappyjazz   Nov-08-08 09:43 AM   #51 
        - hippywife, I appreciate your words immensely...  Psyop Samurai   Nov-08-08 09:06 AM   #37 
           - I can't say I can always do it  hippywife   Nov-08-08 10:41 AM   #76 
              - Talk about anger and hurting no one but yourself...  Psyop Samurai   Nov-08-08 11:45 AM   #87 
  - I like your focus on ignorance and bigotry.  JohnnyLib2   Nov-08-08 07:26 AM   #24 
  - Let me reduce your point: gays and their supporters who are pissed off about prop 8 are stupid.  readmoreoften   Nov-08-08 07:42 AM   #27 
  - Anger is justified. I just don't see any reason to misdirect it.  jpgray   Nov-08-08 07:51 AM   #29 
  - interesting  mbergen   Nov-08-08 07:54 AM   #31 
  - There Is Not A Thing Wrong With Identifying The Largest Subgroups Requiring Further Persuasion.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Nov-08-08 09:07 AM   #38 
  - screaming "nigger" at a black gay couple who showed up to help protest...  NorthernSpy   Nov-08-08 01:36 PM   #119 
  - That is contemptible behavior. No one I know would condone or ignore that.  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-08-08 02:34 PM   #139 
  - Uh, nader just made it easier for the ignorant to blame nader.  Zhade   Nov-09-08 01:13 AM   #162 
  - for some reason they want to blame black people despite the fact that they made up only 10%  book_worm   Nov-08-08 09:13 AM   #40 
  - A core constituency of the Democratic party voted 70% in favor to remove rights for gays.  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-08-08 11:34 AM   #86 
  - Exactly  gaspee   Nov-08-08 12:28 PM   #97 
  - Yes, people have blamed black voters for the passage of this POS.  sfexpat2000   Nov-08-08 12:42 PM   #103 
  - Evil is perpetrated by people who know exactly what they're doing.  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-08-08 01:09 PM   #111 
     - Culture blindness. And those votes don't need to be palatable.  sfexpat2000   Nov-08-08 01:11 PM   #113 
  - You are Dangerous 94114  publichealthnut1   Nov-08-08 01:33 PM   #118 
  - And I want to keep them as a core constituency.  NorthernSpy   Nov-08-08 01:46 PM   #124 
     - The Democrats lost them to the Mormons on this issue. What's next?  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-08-08 02:14 PM   #135 
        - what's next is we try to find a way out the current crisis..  NorthernSpy   Nov-08-08 02:47 PM   #144 
  - I'm sorry, but if you do the math, the margin that the proposition was passed is equal  boloboffin   Nov-08-08 04:29 PM   #150 
  - 'Twas the darkies?... OMFG!  Psyop Samurai   Nov-08-08 09:17 AM   #43 
  - There are probably a couple dozen threads on this subject right now.  eowyn_of_rohan   Nov-08-08 09:45 AM   #53 
  - Yes, let's not muddy up the board with civil rights issues  crappyjazz   Nov-08-08 09:46 AM   #54 
  - THis is a very unfortunate thing that happened  eowyn_of_rohan   Nov-08-08 09:53 AM   #58 
     - Again, if a few are blaming an entire race, they are wrong  crappyjazz   Nov-08-08 09:55 AM   #60 
        - Huh? Who's scapegoating you? surely not I. I think voting corruption is to blame  eowyn_of_rohan   Nov-08-08 09:58 AM   #64 
           - Read some threads  crappyjazz   Nov-08-08 10:00 AM   #65 
              - Yep, that's what we are...  Psyop Samurai   Nov-08-08 10:23 AM   #74 
  - If you think THIS is demoralizing, try having your civil rights eliminated.  mondo joe   Nov-08-08 11:05 AM   #81 
     - IT SUCKS  eowyn_of_rohan   Nov-08-08 11:15 AM   #85 
  - there needs to be a seperate "prop 8" forum until this shit settles down.  QuestionAll   Nov-08-08 09:53 AM   #57 
  - I totally agree-nt  eowyn_of_rohan   Nov-08-08 09:55 AM   #61 
  - How dare people discuss civil rights on a progressive politics forum!  QC   Nov-08-08 09:55 AM   #62 
  - apparently only white conservapigs can be homophobic.  bluedawg12   Nov-08-08 10:00 AM   #66 
  - Let's sit down and shut up and maybe we will get a nice pat on the head. n/t  QC   Nov-08-08 10:01 AM   #67 
  - actually, it should be a sub-set of the california forum.  QuestionAll   Nov-08-08 10:03 AM   #68 
     - This is post Prop 8 - we are discussing civil rights issues  bluedawg12   Nov-08-08 10:05 AM   #71 
     - "it doesn't really concern the other 49 states"  QC   Nov-08-08 10:08 AM   #72 
     - The search function is your friend.  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-08-08 12:20 PM   #95 
     - Funny, isn't it, how some people can always be counted on to show up in gay-related threads  QC   Nov-08-08 12:30 PM   #99 
     - you could try explaining how it has anything to do with voters in other states...  QuestionAll   Nov-09-08 04:13 PM   #171 
     - Similar measures passed in Florida and Arizona  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-08-08 11:02 AM   #80 
     - As a native Californian in exile  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-08 11:47 AM   #88 
     - Um, equal rights for all concerns all Americans.  Zhade   Nov-09-08 01:15 AM   #163 
        - definitely- but there's nothing i can do about it as an illinois voter.  QuestionAll   Nov-09-08 04:11 PM   #170 
  - Seperate but equal forum?  bluedawg12   Nov-08-08 10:03 AM   #69 
  - We're not going away  crappyjazz   Nov-08-08 10:11 AM   #73 
  - well, then maybe there should be a PERMANENT prop 8 forum.  QuestionAll   Nov-08-08 10:48 AM   #77 
     - Or maybe you could learn how to scroll past threads that don't interest you. n/t  QC   Nov-08-08 10:50 AM   #78 
     - Hey Einstein, maybe you could use the "hide thread" function? (nt)  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-08-08 01:29 PM   #116 
     - We're not going away. Get fucking used to it.  Zhade   Nov-09-08 01:17 AM   #164 
  - GD:P -> Prop 8?  Taverner   Nov-08-08 12:46 PM   #106 
  - IDEA: Maybe you could just leave for a while until it all "settles down"?  Bluebear   Nov-08-08 03:17 PM   #148 
  - Right...the gays should just shut up about being scapegoated themselves  kevinbgoode   Nov-08-08 10:28 AM   #75 
  - "OMG! It was the religionz!"  tjwash   Nov-08-08 10:58 AM   #79 
  - Specific religious leaders are absolutely to blame.  jpgray   Nov-08-08 11:11 AM   #84 
  - Oh hell yes! Justify that bigotry with evidence!  IronLionZion   Nov-08-08 12:04 PM   #92 
  - Become? DUers were always into mindless infighting and ridiculous witch hunts  IronLionZion   Nov-08-08 11:51 AM   #89 
  - Hey all you gay people! Shut the fuck up, you're destroying the illusion of party unity.  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-08-08 12:14 PM   #94 
  - Snort. Exactly  gaspee   Nov-08-08 12:34 PM   #101 
  - Yes.  Ellen Forradalom   Nov-08-08 12:48 PM   #107 
  - Prescient, indeed.  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-08-08 04:54 PM   #153 
  - Yep  Ellen Forradalom   Nov-08-08 12:45 PM   #104 
  - Well said.  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-08-08 04:48 PM   #152 
  - If the choices are scapegoating and silence, we need to develop better choices.  sfexpat2000   Nov-08-08 12:54 PM   #109 
  - OMG He is so hot when he's radical  publichealthnut1   Nov-08-08 01:36 PM   #120 
  - Party unity? Many of the loudest voices in this uproar swore months ago...  NorthernSpy   Nov-08-08 01:41 PM   #122 
  - You have an amazing ability to state the obvious.  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-08-08 01:55 PM   #129 
     - I posted a discussion of how Connecticut Vote No stopped a similar effort in CT...  NorthernSpy   Nov-08-08 02:36 PM   #140 
  - NOW we "have a winner"...  TankLV   Nov-08-08 01:57 PM   #132 
  - Wish I could rec your reply!  LeftCoast   Nov-09-08 01:17 AM   #165 
  - HA! if they think we will, they should have their heads examined.  Zhade   Nov-09-08 01:19 AM   #166 
  - I want to get beyond the bs and find out stuff. Like, what happened in L.A. County?  sfexpat2000   Nov-08-08 12:29 PM   #98 
  - Good points, although a certain amount of deflection. I don't blame mormons, per se....  Raster   Nov-08-08 12:34 PM   #102 
  - Not only Mormons but also dominionists like Eric Prince's mother.  sfexpat2000   Nov-08-08 12:45 PM   #105 
  - Scapegoat?  GreenFiles   Nov-08-08 01:11 PM   #112 
  - If you've read any of the 2,000 threads on this topic  sfexpat2000   Nov-08-08 01:14 PM   #114 
     - Among core Democratic constituencies there's a profound disconnect.  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-08-08 01:39 PM   #121 
     - It's the "question" because you are privileging that frame  sfexpat2000   Nov-08-08 01:46 PM   #125 
     - Yeah, but here's the thing; NOT ONE AFRICAN-AMERICAN SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES.  Zhade   Nov-09-08 01:22 AM   #167 
  - Because it is another Divide and Conquer issue for the Freeper moles to exploit  McCamy Taylor   Nov-08-08 01:29 PM   #117 
  - Sorry but it all boils down to fundie whack jobs who seek to control the entire planet.  TheGoldenRule   Nov-08-08 01:42 PM   #123 
  - and we must never underestimate their vast resources  publichealthnut1   Nov-08-08 01:49 PM   #127 
     - Most people here on DU choose to ignore the fundie underpinnings of Obama's campaign.  TheGoldenRule   Nov-08-08 02:04 PM   #134 
  - Core issues DO count -- underlying problems  publichealthnut1   Nov-08-08 01:48 PM   #126 
  - When the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of a group votes a particular  TankLV   Nov-08-08 01:54 PM   #128 
  - To overlook the vast majority in service of scapegoating a very small minority  sfexpat2000   Nov-08-08 02:18 PM   #136 
  - A more accurate summarization does not exist.  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-08-08 02:25 PM   #137 
  - Hear Hear... nt  curse of greyface   Nov-08-08 02:26 PM   #138 
  - In effect, you're demanding that we single out blacks, and push them out of the party.  NorthernSpy   Nov-08-08 02:41 PM   #141 
  - Where does the post say that? We're asking for fucking JUSTICE and ACCOUNTABILITY.  94114_San_Francisco   Nov-08-08 04:18 PM   #149 
  - Thank you Tank!  Raster   Nov-09-08 05:24 PM   #172 
  - Perhaps as would a ballerina @ a strange recital; we'll take 2nd position 1st...  bridgit   Nov-08-08 01:56 PM   #131 
  - This keeps reminding me of the log cabin Republicans.  Waiting For Everyman   Nov-08-08 02:03 PM   #133 
  - spell it again ....... WEDGE ISSUE  TWiley   Nov-08-08 03:07 PM   #145 
  - Religion had everything to do with Prop 8 passing....  AntiFascist   Nov-08-08 03:14 PM   #147 
  - And wrongly so at that. If it were solely a religious institution, there'd be no married atheists.  Zhade   Nov-09-08 01:25 AM   #168 
  - Damn, you mean to tell me that there is still intellectual honest and thinking people here at DU on  IsItJustMe   Nov-08-08 04:36 PM   #151 
  - Religion can be a buttress for ignorance.  D23MIURG23   Nov-09-08 01:01 AM   #155 
  - In a way, it was religion.  Lumpsum   Nov-09-08 01:04 AM   #156 
  - Your apologies are simplistic.  ColbertWatcher   Nov-09-08 01:12 AM   #161 
     - Thank you! Your points are spot on! This was a highly organized attempt to TAKE AWAY legal  Raster   Nov-09-08 11:52 AM   #169 

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