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Thu Nov-06-08 04:42 PM
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| 90. As pessimistic as you are about this situation... |
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what do you propose as a solution?
I personally know for a fact that there people out there who oppose same-sex marriage who don't really care about civil unions. I don't know why, but a lot of them just have some kind of weird complex about the word 'marriage'. So I think you are painting people with too broad a brush; this is a complex issue in some ways, and not everyone feels the same about it.
I've been around long enough to recall when you couldn't even teach in public schools if you were gay, much less get married. I've seen a lot of progress in my life. I would be happy to enter into a civil union in my state if it meant taking a first step that would *someday*, down the road, lead to getting my full civil rights on the federal level.
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| -Let us please get one thing "straight" about marriage equality. |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 01:54 PM |
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K&R |
Solly Mack |
Nov-06-08 01:55 PM |
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K & R |
Cerridwen |
Nov-06-08 01:56 PM |
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I firmly agree with you, titles have nothing to do with the issue, they dont' like the concept |
AuntPatsy |
Nov-06-08 01:57 PM |
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Tyranny of the majority is a very, very dangerous thing |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 02:03 PM |
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Very true, sad that the people who push for such things don't seem to |
AuntPatsy |
Nov-06-08 02:20 PM |
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K&R |
gollygee |
Nov-06-08 01:57 PM |
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A-fuckin-men! |
carpentrerman |
Nov-06-08 01:57 PM |
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Welcome to the Greatest Page |
MrCoffee |
Nov-06-08 01:57 PM |
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agreed. |
Lerkfish |
Nov-06-08 01:59 PM |
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And one more thing |
nichomachus |
Nov-06-08 02:00 PM |
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I am glad you posted that |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 02:04 PM |
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And when they're done with you |
nichomachus |
Nov-06-08 02:20 PM |
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*** YES. Important point here. *** |
oktoberain |
Nov-06-08 04:26 PM |
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You don't offend me at all with that |
WarbirdForObama |
Nov-06-08 02:01 PM |
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Marriage is a basic human right. Human rights should not be |
Libertyfirst |
Nov-06-08 02:05 PM |
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AMEN |
WarbirdForObama |
Nov-06-08 02:23 PM |
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The Bill of Rights |
Liberalynn |
Nov-06-08 02:05 PM |
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K&R and I agree |
GTRMAN |
Nov-06-08 02:06 PM |
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lmao!!!! |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 02:08 PM |
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yeah, I can't stand her |
GTRMAN |
Nov-06-08 02:47 PM |
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Good one. But nothing fazes them. |
Gwendolyn |
Nov-06-08 02:15 PM |
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I've got something that might faze them |
GTRMAN |
Nov-06-08 03:03 PM |
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Bravo- K & R |
Marrah_G |
Nov-06-08 02:06 PM |
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What you say is absolutely correct from start to finish. |
Gwendolyn |
Nov-06-08 02:06 PM |
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No, they don't believe that |
nichomachus |
Nov-06-08 02:23 PM |
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The top layer doesn't believe any of the horsesh*t they spew. |
Gwendolyn |
Nov-06-08 02:25 PM |
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Exactly. The ones in Power aren't even RELIGIOUS!!! |
Bush in Berkeley |
Nov-06-08 02:33 PM |
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And to that end they don't care how many of their own laws they break... |
Juniperx |
Nov-06-08 02:35 PM |
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May your feet always hurt when you post. K&R |
jobycom |
Nov-06-08 02:07 PM |
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you don';t offend me at all |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-08 02:10 PM |
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In other words, a heavily catholic state like Mexico where the church |
NCevilDUer |
Nov-06-08 02:33 PM |
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Yes brought to you by three religious wars |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-08 06:09 PM |
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But |
MNBrewer |
Nov-07-08 06:16 AM |
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So why not call them on it? |
NCevilDUer |
Nov-06-08 02:12 PM |
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Why should we change strategies now? |
gollygee |
Nov-06-08 02:15 PM |
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I don't want to change terms, just take the churches out of the marriage |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-08 02:17 PM |
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You have entirely missed the point of the post. |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 02:17 PM |
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I did not miss it |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-08 02:22 PM |
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Other countries are not America, with our history. |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 02:35 PM |
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So we should not try to use what others have used |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-08 02:42 PM |
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Oh god, please get a clue |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 02:47 PM |
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Get a clue, the license is not a marriage certificate |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-08 02:54 PM |
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One need not have a clergyman marry you to be considered LEGALLY married. |
MNBrewer |
Nov-07-08 06:20 AM |
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How fucking dare you! |
Juniperx |
Nov-06-08 03:02 PM |
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I got a marriage license in Vegas and got married in an office around the corner. |
IndianaJones |
Nov-06-08 03:23 PM |
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Yes, indeed... but you could have also... |
Juniperx |
Nov-06-08 03:26 PM |
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Please re-read the post. |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 02:17 PM |
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By paragraph seven I assume you mean this one: |
NCevilDUer |
Nov-06-08 03:03 PM |
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Seriously -- this entire subthread is "Ignored" except for you |
LostinVA |
Nov-06-08 06:05 PM |
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They don't care - they are HYPOCRITES. |
Harvey Korman |
Nov-07-08 09:36 AM |
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excellent post. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Nov-06-08 02:12 PM |
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I agree, the core group behind all of this is exremely dangerous.... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-06-08 02:13 PM |
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You mean "separate but equal" doesn't do it for you? |
Flarney |
Nov-06-08 02:17 PM |
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You are absolutely right. |
Granny M |
Nov-06-08 02:21 PM |
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you're not offending me. hopefully you're not offending anyone here. n/t |
orleans |
Nov-06-08 02:23 PM |
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The straight and narrows are all over DU. |
Rockholm |
Nov-06-08 02:23 PM |
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and now with Prop 8 passing .. |
ronnykmarshall |
Nov-06-08 02:25 PM |
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Sean Hannity loved the election results, gives him new material |
arcadian |
Nov-06-08 02:26 PM |
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no doubt it's a relief not to have to defend that nitwit bush anymore |
Skittles |
Nov-06-08 08:30 PM |
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As a recovering Fundie... I think we should let them know... |
Juniperx |
Nov-06-08 02:28 PM |
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I'm a recovering fundie too, which is why I am beating the drum so loudly on this |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 02:37 PM |
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That's why I like the idea of playing their stupid game.. |
Juniperx |
Nov-06-08 02:43 PM |
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Can I start by pelting the followers of Ba'al who came out the other |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-08 02:37 PM |
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Don't you dare tell us what we don't understand. |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 02:43 PM |
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Seems to me you are missing something here... |
Juniperx |
Nov-06-08 02:49 PM |
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Bingo |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-08 02:52 PM |
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The rights are NOT conferred by the church, is what y'all don't understand. |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 02:52 PM |
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Riddle me this... can clergy marry me or not? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-08 02:56 PM |
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The clergy who performs the ceremony... |
Juniperx |
Nov-06-08 03:06 PM |
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I do, and that is your mistake |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-08 02:50 PM |
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"take the church out of the marriage business period" |
Juniperx |
Nov-06-08 02:47 PM |
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That is exactly how it works now. |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 02:50 PM |
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No it doesn't |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-08 02:58 PM |
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Yes, but clergy have the power to marry people! |
Juniperx |
Nov-06-08 03:11 PM |
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A power that is conferred by the state |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 04:25 PM |
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So you agree that this is a power given by the state |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-08 04:28 PM |
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Well, since you know so well what is and what is not possible |
Juniperx |
Nov-06-08 05:01 PM |
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I don't think it will make them go away either, and will only alienate more people. |
Gwendolyn |
Nov-06-08 05:19 PM |
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I was part of the Fundie culture for nearly half my life... |
Juniperx |
Nov-06-08 05:49 PM |
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I meant it wouldn't fly with mainstream people. |
Gwendolyn |
Nov-06-08 06:17 PM |
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You still need to go down to the courthouse and pay that tax to the guvment |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-08 06:25 PM |
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You have to whip down to court to get the license anyway |
Juniperx |
Nov-06-08 07:15 PM |
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You know this about people having LEGAL rights in mexico how? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-06-08 05:57 PM |
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Well it's true my brain leaks sometimes... |
Gwendolyn |
Nov-06-08 06:31 PM |
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The clergy can marry any two people they want |
MNBrewer |
Nov-07-08 06:26 AM |
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As a recovering atheist... |
LanternWaste |
Nov-06-08 03:19 PM |
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An excellent rant, thank you. n/t |
TechBear_Seattle |
Nov-06-08 02:29 PM |
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Agreed. So COME OUT. Shove it in their face. |
GreenFiles |
Nov-06-08 02:34 PM |
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K&R. |
Cabcere |
Nov-06-08 02:36 PM |
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K&R |
Lurking_Argyle |
Nov-06-08 02:43 PM |
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Chovexani, calm down and focus. You're not getting the point. |
TheWraith |
Nov-06-08 02:45 PM |
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"then a whole hell of a lot of people don't realize that that wouldn't legally require..." |
MNBrewer |
Nov-07-08 06:29 AM |
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I think that the OP understands. I think that the OP, like me and many others, sees very well. |
yardwork |
Nov-07-08 02:29 PM |
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True n/t |
newtothegame |
Nov-06-08 02:46 PM |
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When this happened in VA in 2006 |
essayist |
Nov-06-08 02:49 PM |
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I know all too well about Virginia |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 02:55 PM |
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what part? its my home state. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Nov-06-08 03:38 PM |
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Emporia, in Greensville County |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 03:59 PM |
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I'm from SW VA, 50 miles north of Roanoke. I know what you mean. |
IndianaJones |
Nov-06-08 04:02 PM |
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I'm familiar with that area |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 04:20 PM |
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Yep. K&R |
MountainLaurel |
Nov-06-08 03:04 PM |
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K&R |
bullwinkle428 |
Nov-06-08 03:05 PM |
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AWESOME RANT! |
Behind the Aegis |
Nov-06-08 03:27 PM |
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The hardcore fundies don't care what its called |
Sgent |
Nov-06-08 04:05 PM |
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And they are still bigots. |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 04:23 PM |
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K&R |
Chorophyll |
Nov-06-08 04:24 PM |
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As pessimistic as you are about this situation... |
Terran |
Nov-06-08 04:42 PM |
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I sort of agree with you |
nichomachus |
Nov-06-08 05:06 PM |
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This isn't "pessimism", it's the truth. |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 08:34 PM |
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I greatly appreciate your reply Chovexani |
Terran |
Nov-06-08 08:57 PM |
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Amen, Sister. |
Toasterlad |
Nov-06-08 06:01 PM |
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FUCKING RIGHTEOUS RANT MY FRIEND |
LostinVA |
Nov-06-08 06:03 PM |
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Of course! |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 08:48 PM |
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K/R |
Jed Dilligan |
Nov-06-08 06:09 PM |
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Righteous words. |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-06-08 06:14 PM |
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K&R. And yet...many are gradually being educated out of their hate. |
Orsino |
Nov-06-08 06:38 PM |
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They're dying off is what's happening. |
Chovexani |
Nov-06-08 08:46 PM |
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they're dying off = truth. nt |
IndianaJones |
Nov-06-08 08:49 PM |
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Yeah. And because "it takes a village"... |
Orsino |
Nov-07-08 04:51 AM |
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what they are doing is - hate crimes - and therefore illegal - gays should fight this hate crime NOW |
28erl |
Nov-06-08 07:40 PM |
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I love you. |
Jamastiene |
Nov-06-08 07:40 PM |
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I'm so proud to call you my friend. |
Bluebear |
Nov-06-08 08:31 PM |
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K&r |
MPK |
Nov-07-08 07:33 AM |
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They can't be bargained with, they can't be reasoned with, they don't feel pity, |
Dr_eldritch |
Nov-07-08 08:16 AM |
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Just trying to think outside the box a little... |
Waiting For Everyman |
Nov-07-08 08:43 AM |
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That's probably how it will end up in the Supreme Court |
gollygee |
Nov-07-08 08:46 AM |
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K and fucking R |
Harvey Korman |
Nov-07-08 09:34 AM |
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K&R |
Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel |
Nov-07-08 09:40 AM |
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I support your efforts for EQUAL not SPECIAL rights! |
OHDEM |
Nov-07-08 12:58 PM |
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Thanks, beautifully put. |
readmoreoften |
Nov-07-08 01:08 PM |
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Excellent Post |
Nydari |
Nov-07-08 02:04 PM |
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I agree with this. |
alarimer |
Nov-07-08 02:10 PM |
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I agree that equal rights are important. |
verges |
Nov-07-08 03:14 PM |
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