| 110. Yeah, that obstructionist shit worked real well for a guy named Newt. |
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You pull that stunt, and the first kid who dies because he didn't have body armor, because of defunding, would be laid at Pelosi's feet with catastrophic and ever-resonating effects. It's an idiotic idea. A recipe to hand the House BACK to the GOP "adults" (and I use that word with all the sarcasm I can muster).
You'd still need continuing resolutions for other areas of government. It wouldn't surprise me if the Monkey signed an Emergency Executive Order to move that money in a big FUCK YOU to the Congress. Congress is funding highways, and POOOF! the dough ends up in Iraq. Ooooh, you don't think he'd do that, or could do it? Who's gonna stop him? The Supremes??? Who can move like molasses, or not at all, when they want to?
The American people aren't looking for parliamentary games, they're looking for vigorous debate and a vote. But if we go to the floor too soon, and not make a good effort to cut the best possible deal we can get while pulling along as many votes as we can con out of the unwilling, we're fucked.
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| -Can You Help Me Understand Something |
Sybil_23mist |
Mar-17-07 09:53 PM |
#0 |
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Indeed. |
Synnical |
Mar-17-07 09:55 PM |
#1 |
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simple really. the dem party leadership supports the wars. |
KG |
Mar-17-07 09:58 PM |
#2 |
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that is why I vote Green more often than not these days.... |
mike_c |
Mar-17-07 09:59 PM |
#3 |
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Voting Green. ROFLMAO!!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!! |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:02 PM |
#6 |
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Oh God, they've elected America's best mayors the past few years |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:03 PM |
#8 |
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Well it is St. Patricks Day! Don't laugh so loud! ....n/t |
WiseButAngrySara |
Mar-17-07 10:06 PM |
#10 |
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Way to make a statement that will make a real DIFFERENCE!!!! |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 10:16 PM |
#28 |
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On the local level it does make a difference |
BoneDaddy |
Mar-19-07 03:47 PM |
#170 |
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Thank You For Your Concern. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:01 PM |
#4 |
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"pulling out of Iraq is far more complex and involved than just saying so." |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:02 PM |
#7 |
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As I Said: Pulling Out Of Iraq Is Far More Complex And Involved Than Just Saying So. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:07 PM |
#11 |
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You are absolutely wrong (like usual) |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:08 PM |
#13 |
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Actually I'm Not; Regardless Of Your Ignorant Interpretations. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:11 PM |
#19 |
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That time you just insulted, didn't even make an argument |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:16 PM |
#29 |
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Nothing Ad Hominem About It. You Interpretation Was Yet Again Cast From Ignorance. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:21 PM |
#42 |
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I Guess You Capitalizing Every Word Makes It True |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:22 PM |
#44 |
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Nope. That's Just Makes It My Header. Reality Makes It True. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:27 PM |
#55 |
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Reality Is You Support An Oil-Driven Occupation That Could Be Ended Now |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:28 PM |
#58 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-17-07 10:31 PM |
#66 |
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Name-Calling! Go for it Sunshine! |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:33 PM |
#69 |
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dems have enough votes to do that? |
MonkeyFunk |
Mar-17-07 10:12 PM |
#20 |
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It's called the House |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:16 PM |
#26 |
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and it means nothing |
MonkeyFunk |
Mar-17-07 11:03 PM |
#100 |
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do you intentionally ignore the rules of the Senate or just by accident? |
LSK |
Mar-17-07 10:14 PM |
#22 |
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Screw the Senate |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:15 PM |
#25 |
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how do you fund Veterans benefits? |
LSK |
Mar-17-07 10:18 PM |
#31 |
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You don't. |
Telly Savalas |
Mar-17-07 11:28 PM |
#114 |
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So how fast do you think it will be |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 11:36 PM |
#117 |
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They'd get swept in a landslide in 2008. |
Telly Savalas |
Mar-17-07 11:52 PM |
#123 |
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READ Legislation PLEASE |
LSK |
Mar-17-07 10:32 PM |
#67 |
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I do every day |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:43 PM |
# |
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Are you math challenged? Can't count? What part of "We don't HAVE the VOTES" escapes you? NT |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 10:26 PM |
#52 |
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Pulling out is complex? |
purduejake |
Mar-17-07 10:16 PM |
#27 |
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If you want the OIL it's very hard to leave Iraq now! |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:17 PM |
#30 |
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Cha! Haven't you seen 'I Dream Of Jeanie'? It should be *that* easy! |
BlooInBloo |
Mar-17-07 10:28 PM |
#57 |
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LOL |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:32 PM |
#68 |
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By defining your twisted perception of things as "reality" |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:36 PM |
#76 |
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Look Out Of Any Window, Any Morning, Any Evening, Any Day. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:40 PM |
#81 |
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What circumstances |
Sybil_23mist |
Mar-17-07 10:07 PM |
#12 |
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He doesn't understand Dems have the votes to end the war |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:09 PM |
#15 |
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Yeah, Cause Like, This Is Soooooooo Similar To The Civil Rights Movement. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:10 PM |
# |
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Your God probably doesn't exist |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:12 PM |
#21 |
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Now There's An Ignorant Sentiment If I've Ever Seen One. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:19 PM |
#33 |
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So now you understand your Iraq argument is flawed and we turn to matters of God |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:20 PM |
#39 |
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You're Projecting Now. Seriously. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:25 PM |
#51 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-17-07 10:27 PM |
#56 |
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No, MINDCRIME is right. Your arguments ARE sillly. And terribly uninformed. |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 10:22 PM |
#45 |
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A GRIEVING MOTHER WHO SPEAKS SOFTLY IS A LUNATIC? |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:25 PM |
#50 |
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For Real, You Call This 'Serious Argumentation'? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:27 PM |
#54 |
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I Didn't Capitalize Just The First Letter |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:29 PM |
#60 |
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Your Attacks Are Getting Weaker By The Minute. Take A Breather And Come Back Later When You're |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:33 PM |
#70 |
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More insults on my character |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:37 PM |
#77 |
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What Are You Talking About? What Attack On Your Character? ROFLMAO! |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:41 PM |
#82 |
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A kind suggestion that you're embarrassing yourself, and that maybe you should step back and |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 10:43 PM |
#85 |
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Her kid is not dead. He was just redeployed. But there, you don't even know what her beef is, and |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 10:38 PM |
#78 |
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I called her a Grieving Mother which is what you would be |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:42 PM |
#83 |
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Are You Her? Seriously, Are You? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:43 PM |
#86 |
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The flawed logic, certainly... |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 10:52 PM |
#94 |
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This thread is SO surreal. |
BlooInBloo |
Mar-17-07 11:14 PM |
#107 |
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Oh, please. Just stop. You ARE embarrassing yourself. |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 10:51 PM |
#91 |
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Votes, Schmotes, we don't even have to bring the war funding to the floor |
MadHound |
Mar-17-07 11:00 PM |
#97 |
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Yeah, that obstructionist shit worked real well for a guy named Newt. |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 11:24 PM |
#110 |
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The American people are looking to end this war as soon as possible, and |
MadHound |
Mar-18-07 07:12 AM |
#139 |
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You just proved my point. If there's money in one pot, it can be shifted to another. |
MADem |
Mar-18-07 11:07 AM |
#145 |
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While the Dems move forward in increments, people will die in droves. Can you accept that? |
MadHound |
Mar-18-07 12:50 PM |
#147 |
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And what Maddem described to you |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-18-07 12:58 PM |
#148 |
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No, you can't take out a wand and go ooogha ooogha ooogha |
MadHound |
Mar-18-07 02:26 PM |
#154 |
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Read what MADem wrote |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-18-07 03:04 PM |
#157 |
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Still seems like a hell of a lot quicker, and frankly the only option that we have right now |
MadHound |
Mar-18-07 10:17 PM |
#162 |
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I read it |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-19-07 01:16 PM |
#164 |
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Look, maybe you can't accept it, but you need to start wrapping your head around it. |
MADem |
Mar-18-07 02:27 PM |
#155 |
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Speaking of math, here's some for you |
MadHound |
Mar-18-07 10:15 PM |
#161 |
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And here's some math for you. Count the months. The 92nd took over TWO YEARS to do it. |
MADem |
Mar-19-07 01:16 PM |
#163 |
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Please read for comprehension, it really does help |
MadHound |
Mar-19-07 02:46 PM |
#168 |
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Well, you might do the same, frankly. I mean, REALLY. |
MADem |
Mar-19-07 03:17 PM |
#169 |
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Argue your limitations loud enough and long enough, and sure enough, they'll be yours |
MadHound |
Mar-19-07 06:34 PM |
#172 |
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How can you claim "constitutional crisis" when BushCo is ONLY doing what they've done for the last |
MADem |
Mar-19-07 11:00 PM |
#173 |
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For Someone Who Is A Lifelong Democrat I'd Expect You To Have A Better Understanding Of Congress. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:09 PM |
#16 |
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"Majority party Doing anything you want whenever you want." |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:14 PM |
#23 |
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Q:What are your silly rants motivated by? A: REALITY |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:20 PM |
#36 |
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Go to Baghdad now and fight the war you want to continue |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:21 PM |
#40 |
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That's The Most Ridiculous And Pathetic Thing You've Said Yet. Shows A Total Lack Of |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:30 PM |
#62 |
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Go fight in the war Keyboard Warrior |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:31 PM |
#64 |
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Awwwww, That's So Cute Now How You've Completely Unraveled. So Silly Willy. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:35 PM |
#72 |
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"Silly Willy" |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:38 PM |
#79 |
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I Have Devolved To A Degree In That Manner, Yes. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:43 PM |
#84 |
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Look your constant accusations to MINDCRIME are getting irritating, and border on insults themselves |
MADem |
Mar-18-07 02:43 PM |
#156 |
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He's been ahem |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-18-07 03:07 PM |
#158 |
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Ah, how lovely. Took long enough!!! |
MADem |
Mar-18-07 03:21 PM |
#159 |
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Ah, there's the real agenda behind the innocent OP question. |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 10:19 PM |
#35 |
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We have the votes we just have too many spineless Democrats |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:22 PM |
#43 |
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You have missed the 100+ hearings so far |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 10:36 PM |
#74 |
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Hearings on almost meaningless things |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:39 PM |
#80 |
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Hold it, Nixon didn't step down |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 10:50 PM |
#90 |
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Oh, 'we' do, do 'we?' How do we make these Blue Dogs vote our way, then? |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 10:58 PM |
#95 |
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they could at least try, and go on record as being willing to put the good... |
mike_c |
Mar-17-07 10:36 PM |
#75 |
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What do you think Dave Obey is trying to do? I mean, really? |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 11:07 PM |
#102 |
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Oh and add kucinish to this |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 11:10 PM |
#104 |
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oh come on, we both know that there are numerous dems who... |
mike_c |
Mar-17-07 11:15 PM |
#108 |
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Mike WE, yes you and Me, need to lead |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 11:16 PM |
#109 |
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yes, but right now you and I cannot enforce the will of the people... |
mike_c |
Mar-17-07 11:26 PM |
#111 |
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They will |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 11:30 PM |
#115 |
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YES. Many in the Blue Dog contingent aren't onboard yet. THAT is what OBEY was SAYING. |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 11:39 PM |
#118 |
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that is why the dems are failing us and the nation.... |
mike_c |
Mar-17-07 11:41 PM |
#119 |
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I am willing to accept that it will happen |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 11:44 PM |
#121 |
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He's taking my words out of context, FWIW. |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 11:52 PM |
#124 |
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There is NOT going to be a 100 percent OUT NOW vote. It is NEVER going to happen. |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 11:51 PM |
#122 |
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And then go on the Internets and complaint that they are not |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 11:57 PM |
#125 |
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then they are failing us, plain and simple.... |
mike_c |
Mar-18-07 12:01 AM |
#127 |
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Don't you understand that we don't NEED every vote? And stop putting false words in my mouth. |
MADem |
Mar-18-07 12:12 AM |
#131 |
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There are plants in our midst |
Synnical |
Mar-17-07 10:20 PM |
#37 |
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you've got to be joking.... |
mike_c |
Mar-17-07 10:20 PM |
#38 |
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They have enough votes to cut off funding by over 30+ over Republicans |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:23 PM |
#46 |
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And guarantee the GOP takes the House back. Don't be foolish. NT |
MADem |
Mar-17-07 11:42 PM |
#120 |
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Not A Millionth As Pathetic As Voting For The Greens. n/t |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Mar-17-07 10:46 PM |
#88 |
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Not good enough, whoever you think you are |
kdpeters |
Mar-18-07 10:22 AM |
#143 |
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Bullshit. What a load of complete bullshit. |
leeroysphits |
Mar-18-07 06:33 PM |
#160 |
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Pelosi is a shill for AIPAC(hyper-right wing lobby of Israelis) |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:02 PM |
#5 |
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Sure. Right. That's why the MAJORITY of House dems |
cali |
Mar-18-07 07:39 AM |
#141 |
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First, welcome to DU and a recommend for your thread. |
Cerridwen |
Mar-17-07 10:04 PM |
#9 |
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This was helpful as was your link. Thanks. ...n/t |
WiseButAngrySara |
Mar-17-07 10:24 PM |
#49 |
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Hey, thanks for saying so. |
Cerridwen |
Mar-17-07 10:51 PM |
#93 |
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Walter Reed |
LSK |
Mar-17-07 10:08 PM |
#14 |
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Most of the country wants the war to end |
thethinker |
Mar-17-07 10:09 PM |
#17 |
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It's too bad we don't have the money or clout of AIPAC otherwise Pelosi would LISTEN |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:30 PM |
#63 |
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You can say that again! |
TheGoldenRule |
Mar-18-07 02:17 AM |
#136 |
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Your guess is as good as mine. nt |
Miss Chybil |
Mar-17-07 10:10 PM |
#18 |
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self-delete - posted to wrong spot. |
BlooInBloo |
Mar-17-07 10:14 PM |
#24 |
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Procedure, cloture |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 10:19 PM |
#32 |
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I've not heard |
Sybil_23mist |
Mar-17-07 10:27 PM |
#53 |
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They will after they raelize they are being left behind |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 10:28 PM |
#59 |
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You have the votes to cut off funding and fail every funding bill for occupation |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:30 PM |
#61 |
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Do we have the votes to overcome a |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 10:31 PM |
#65 |
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Why would you HAVE to overcome a veto? |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 10:35 PM |
#73 |
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It does? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 10:43 PM |
#87 |
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Yes, the dems capitulated on the "surge." The soldiers are fucked. nt |
thereismore |
Mar-17-07 10:19 PM |
#34 |
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I am not voting for anyone who voted for the IWR |
vssmith |
Mar-17-07 10:21 PM |
#41 |
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Ditto. ....n/t |
WiseButAngrySara |
Mar-17-07 10:35 PM |
#71 |
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Same here |
proud2Blib |
Mar-18-07 01:04 PM |
#151 |
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Sybil just stirred the pot! Welcome to DU, Sybil_23mist. |
babylonsister |
Mar-17-07 10:23 PM |
#47 |
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goddamned democrats |
leftofthedial |
Mar-17-07 10:24 PM |
#48 |
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I think if they really wanted to end the war |
Mojorabbit |
Mar-17-07 10:46 PM |
#89 |
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The houise maybe |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 10:51 PM |
#92 |
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I am educated, thank you very much |
Mojorabbit |
Mar-17-07 11:04 PM |
#101 |
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WRONG, it trakes you and me to change those votes |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 11:11 PM |
#105 |
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We elect them to lead |
Mojorabbit |
Mar-17-07 11:27 PM |
#113 |
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Have you sent a lettter lately? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 11:35 PM |
#116 |
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I have sent a gazillion letters |
Mojorabbit |
Mar-18-07 12:10 AM |
#129 |
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Then continue doing that |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-18-07 12:21 AM |
#133 |
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Or a simple hearing on war crimes would end it |
TheConstantGardener |
Mar-17-07 11:01 PM |
#99 |
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Hold it you said hearings did nothing |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 11:12 PM |
#106 |
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Welcom to DU Sybil |
DiktatrW |
Mar-17-07 10:59 PM |
#96 |
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The Bush junta is still very powerful |
bambino |
Mar-17-07 11:00 PM |
#98 |
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Some may assume that |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-17-07 11:07 PM |
#103 |
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This whole thread is unbelievable.... |
BlackVelvet04 |
Mar-17-07 11:27 PM |
#112 |
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Where are the mods? This thread is a train wreck through |
Texas Explorer |
Mar-18-07 12:10 AM |
#130 |
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Perhaps we can restore the discussion as there is concern out there |
Sybil_23mist |
Mar-18-07 10:35 AM |
#144 |
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Write letters |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-18-07 01:01 PM |
#150 |
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I think |
Sybil_23mist |
Mar-18-07 01:38 PM |
#152 |
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Ok writing letters is part of the process |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-18-07 01:57 PM |
#153 |
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Yeah. Right. |
omega minimo |
Mar-18-07 12:00 AM |
#126 |
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Had to get some sleep |
Sybil_23mist |
Mar-18-07 09:50 AM |
#142 |
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I'm very concerned about the age and health |
Justice Is Comin |
Mar-18-07 12:10 AM |
#128 |
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Well, the governor in WV is a Democrat--how do they handle vacancies in that state, anyone know? |
MADem |
Mar-18-07 12:17 AM |
#132 |
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At least in fiction |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-18-07 12:23 AM |
#134 |
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Yep, helluva guy. Love his pocket Constitution, too. NT |
MADem |
Mar-18-07 12:25 AM |
#135 |
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I see a lot of nuance to this. |
loyalsister |
Mar-18-07 02:31 AM |
#137 |
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They still don't get it; or if they do, they're as complicit in all this as the |
grannylib |
Mar-18-07 02:46 AM |
#138 |
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It is really quite simple |
leftchick |
Mar-18-07 07:20 AM |
#140 |
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Careful. Please, don't you become too dissonant. |
Festivito |
Mar-18-07 11:25 AM |
#146 |
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First of all, welcome to DU! |
proud2Blib |
Mar-18-07 12:59 PM |
#149 |
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You've always been 100% happy with every Democratic politician? |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-19-07 01:39 PM |
#165 |
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Like mine |
nadinbrzezinski |
Mar-19-07 01:40 PM |
#166 |
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Sounds like you're doing the right thing. |
Bridget Burke |
Mar-19-07 01:55 PM |
#167 |
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The majority of Democratic elected officials are afraid. |
MilesColtrane |
Mar-19-07 04:10 PM |
#171 |