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Fri Oct-17-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #62 |
| 67. they are waiting to see where the wind blows |
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and i say that as someone who grew up a Chevy/Corvette fanboy...
GM is kind of in limbo...the second horsepower wars which started in the late 90s has reached critical mass. GM knows that the vette buyer base will NOT accept a car which does not significantly outperform the current one (with future releases that outperform the Z06 and ZR1 special models)...To create a better car will take a lot more R+D cash than they have at disposal right now -- not to mention the fact that with the renewed consumer interest in fuel-efficient cars, the marketplace could force GM to build something much greener (and to vette fans' dismay, something slower)... Like in the 70s, deep down GM and other automakers know that the insane numbers of the horsepower wars need to be pulled back a bit; but no one wants to be the first to blink...So long story short, GM will play a waiting game...
and the HP numbers have gone way over the top the past couple of years...more than a handful of cars have 500+ HP (which in most cases is WAY too much for a street driven car, and is used more for country-club bragging rights than actual track work), and many buyers are still clamoring for more and more.
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| -GM puts next generation Corvette on hold |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-16-08 10:33 PM |
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Is that why Nat Geo Channel was showing the Corvette factory |
csziggy |
Oct-16-08 10:46 PM |
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No wonder I thought I saw Brock Yates big meaty head on in the background earlier this evening.. n/t |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-16-08 10:58 PM |
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People with soul, that's who. |
DainBramaged |
Oct-16-08 11:34 PM |
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What's your take on the news, Dain? |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-16-08 11:53 PM |
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We are in the last throws of the supercar renaissance |
DainBramaged |
Oct-17-08 04:08 AM |
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I think the Cobalt SS is the most underrated car made by GM... |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 04:16 AM |
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the Lotus Elite is an example of going light to obtain supercar status. |
alfredo |
Oct-17-08 12:30 PM |
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The Elise does a lot with 190 horsepower... |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 01:17 PM |
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The Corvette started off as an underpowered brick, in some peoples' eyes. |
alfredo |
Oct-17-08 01:58 PM |
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Don't forget Zora Arkus-Duntov... |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 02:06 PM |
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So Zora was Mr Inside, and Fitch as the manager of the racing team was |
alfredo |
Oct-17-08 02:17 PM |
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The LS series V8s can be prodded into the Sky and Solstice |
EOTE |
Oct-17-08 02:01 PM |
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Mallet produces those V8 Solstice models.. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 02:04 PM |
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I have driven a new Solstice with the 260HP turbo motor |
DainBramaged |
Oct-17-08 07:51 PM |
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It must be nice. I walk onto the lot and the salesmen hide. |
alfredo |
Oct-17-08 11:46 PM |
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LOL.. Have a bit of a local reputation as a hot foot? n/t |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 11:54 PM |
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Mine is worse: a tightwad. |
alfredo |
Oct-17-08 11:56 PM |
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I get to go to GM auctions, that is fun |
DainBramaged |
Oct-18-08 01:06 AM |
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My sister in law works in the equine world. In that industry they get |
alfredo |
Oct-18-08 10:01 AM |
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You bet, but a pretty Irish lass.... you didn't convince her to stay? |
DainBramaged |
Oct-18-08 10:56 AM |
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She was gay, I'm married, she's young, I'm old. |
alfredo |
Oct-18-08 01:38 PM |
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awwwwwwwwwww |
DainBramaged |
Oct-18-08 01:47 PM |
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I'm liking some good American Ales |
alfredo |
Oct-18-08 01:58 PM |
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No one "needs" it but |
JNelson6563 |
Oct-17-08 08:53 AM |
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GM's Existance as a Company is Under Review at Press Time |
AndyTiedye |
Oct-16-08 10:48 PM |
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They're dancing around the issue, but the new CAFE standards will likely mean a downsized 'Vette... |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-16-08 10:54 PM |
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They get better fuel milage than alot of other high performance cars of its caliber |
CRF450 |
Oct-16-08 11:00 PM |
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We've spoken about it before a few times. What's your take on the news? |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-16-08 11:03 PM |
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Who knows... |
CRF450 |
Oct-16-08 11:11 PM |
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Well the one thing they insist on is the fact they are keeping it alive... |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-16-08 11:28 PM |
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I'd rather see a diesel v8 than anything smaller. |
CRF450 |
Oct-17-08 01:54 AM |
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I'll have to pass on that myself. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 03:51 AM |
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Ah, you got a point their. |
CRF450 |
Oct-17-08 04:36 AM |
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The faster they bring new diesel technology to the truck and economy segments, the better. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 04:41 AM |
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my stepfather has a s10 |
bobbydem |
Oct-18-08 02:25 PM |
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Audi has been dominating sports car racing with turbo diesels. |
HooptieWagon |
Oct-17-08 08:58 AM |
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Ironically, not everything that makes for a successful race car make for a satisfying sports car... |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 11:41 AM |
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Audi's V12 TDI is a remarkable engine. |
EOTE |
Oct-17-08 02:09 PM |
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Well I'd take a hearty diesel over a weak gasoline engine as well.. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 02:21 PM |
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But the 2.0 has an additional 25 hp. |
EOTE |
Oct-17-08 02:39 PM |
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As you indicate, it's the entire graph, not just the peak. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 02:55 PM |
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I still have to disagree. |
EOTE |
Oct-17-08 03:11 PM |
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It will be an excellent test case. Should be fun to watch. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 03:15 PM |
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How About a 'Vette Hybrid? |
AndyTiedye |
Oct-16-08 11:29 PM |
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Yep, see downthread a bit although I would consider it a longshot. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-16-08 11:42 PM |
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Ain't never going to happen |
DainBramaged |
Oct-17-08 04:09 AM |
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Why Not? |
AndyTiedye |
Oct-17-08 12:38 PM |
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Way too heavy, stops owners from working on the car (A BIG deal with owners) |
DainBramaged |
Oct-17-08 07:46 PM |
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Only one model tops 100k as far as I know. And that's the ZR1. |
EOTE |
Oct-17-08 02:16 PM |
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I don't think it's in the character of the Corvette or Chevy to push that high.. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 02:22 PM |
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yep |
bobbydem |
Oct-18-08 02:16 PM |
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There is talk of a merger with Ford or Chrysler |
wtmusic |
Oct-16-08 10:48 PM |
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Mostly Chrysler... |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-16-08 10:57 PM |
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Perhaps the little penis crowd is short of $$ lately |
liberaltrucker |
Oct-16-08 10:49 PM |
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I take pitty with what you say |
CRF450 |
Oct-16-08 10:57 PM |
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50% of the Vettes sold in the Northeast are sold to women |
DainBramaged |
Oct-16-08 11:37 PM |
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well...most of them aren't exactly known for their large penises, are they? |
QuestionAll |
Oct-16-08 11:42 PM |
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Only a few |
JVS |
Oct-17-08 04:14 AM |
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I always found the old C4 to be a very feminine car overall. That doesn't surprise me. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-16-08 11:55 PM |
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And six-speeds are no longer the majority transmission |
DainBramaged |
Oct-17-08 03:59 AM |
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Sequentials are interesting but just not as flexible as a real stick. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 04:15 AM |
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I thought that the "little penis crowd" tended to buy Porsches. |
SurferBoy |
Oct-17-08 04:39 AM |
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Oh Damn!! |
madmax |
Oct-16-08 10:51 PM |
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I'm waiting for the hybrid model |
ironflange |
Oct-16-08 11:05 PM |
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Don't laugh, Lexus actually builds a hybrid luxury sports sedan.. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-16-08 11:10 PM |
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Tesla is in serious trouble, there is one thing associated with horsepower |
DainBramaged |
Oct-16-08 11:39 PM |
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Yes every review I've read about that car cites its lack of sound to be a liability. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-16-08 11:44 PM |
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Why not just pump a simulation through the sound system? |
riverdeep |
Oct-17-08 07:08 AM |
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That's already being considered actually... |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 11:50 AM |
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Yeah, I can understand that. |
riverdeep |
Oct-18-08 01:40 AM |
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Good analogy. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-18-08 01:49 AM |
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So Whadyathink About a Hybrid 'Vette? |
AndyTiedye |
Oct-17-08 12:15 AM |
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Ain't never going to happen |
DainBramaged |
Oct-17-08 04:10 AM |
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well...when they've got to compete with the likes of THIS...whaddya expect them to do...? |
QuestionAll |
Oct-16-08 11:40 PM |
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Other than the gearbox, it's a great car. I wish it weren't so pricy... |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-16-08 11:49 PM |
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Tesla Motors hits the brakes amid credit crisis |
Book Lover |
Oct-17-08 02:18 AM |
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This is depressing news. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 03:53 AM |
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(sigh) so many experts, so little time........ |
DainBramaged |
Oct-17-08 04:21 AM |
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A stock Vette outperforms the Tesla in just about every criteria. |
EOTE |
Oct-17-08 02:32 PM |
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MOPAR RULES! |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-16-08 11:42 PM |
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Love 'em. But they are rich boys cars now. How ironic, eh? n/t |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-16-08 11:45 PM |
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Here's an example: "CNN - 1971 Plymouth sells cheap for $2.5 million" |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 12:16 AM |
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Uh, no |
DainBramaged |
Oct-17-08 04:13 AM |
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The Mopars did hang on for a few years after the party was over at GM & Ford... |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 04:24 AM |
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I can't count the number of Camaros I spanked |
snooper2 |
Oct-17-08 09:56 AM |
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And the Shelby GLHS spanked Porsches and Corvettes |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-17-08 12:59 PM |
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Ahhh someone who remembers those cool little cars.. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 01:02 PM |
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It was one, BADASS hatchback! |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-17-08 01:12 PM |
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THANK YOU |
bobbydem |
Oct-18-08 02:34 PM |
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Camaros and Chevelles can never be as good as Hemi Cudas. |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-17-08 12:53 PM |
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I don't think so, from a professional point of view |
DainBramaged |
Oct-17-08 01:14 PM |
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The 1970 Chevelle SS 454 LS6 is my dream ride. |
EOTE |
Oct-17-08 02:44 PM |
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A wise decision. Putting a bunch of money into a halo car probably isn't the way to go right now. |
JVS |
Oct-17-08 04:16 AM |
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Hard to argue with that, esp since they have committed to keeping it alive. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 04:39 AM |
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Do CAFE standards apply on the basis of brand or corporation? |
JVS |
Oct-17-08 04:44 AM |
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Here are some relevant citations: |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 04:49 AM |
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the should make it a hybrid, but then again they are already out of reach for most of us |
carlyhippy |
Oct-17-08 06:47 AM |
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There is a word in the dictionary, it sort of gives new meaning to the word individual |
DainBramaged |
Oct-17-08 07:05 AM |
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The Corvette has outgrown its market. Only the base model makes sense anymore. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 12:09 PM |
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Good. Environmentallly irresponsible cars like that need to go. |
alarimer |
Oct-17-08 07:34 AM |
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"But what will guys in a mid-life crisis do now?" |
DainBramaged |
Oct-17-08 12:15 PM |
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Considering that the C6 gets 30mpg in town, that won't be a problem. |
EOTE |
Oct-17-08 02:56 PM |
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In town?? They only get that on the highway. |
CRF450 |
Oct-17-08 03:03 PM |
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Sorry, a bit of a mis-type there. |
EOTE |
Oct-17-08 03:12 PM |
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30 is the highway number with a very light foot. Most will see around 18 city/28hwy |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 03:09 PM |
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luckily the C6 is more than good enough to last a few more model years |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-17-08 08:17 AM |
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Yes, fortunately the C6 is a pretty nice car as it is. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 11:53 AM |
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they are waiting to see where the wind blows |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-17-08 12:48 PM |
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I'd say those observations are pretty much on target. n/t |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 01:03 PM |
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The ZR1 will hold the hype for a few years. |
flvegan |
Oct-17-08 12:53 PM |
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Meanwhile, Nissan can't make enough GT-Rs |
DS1 |
Oct-17-08 12:58 PM |
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Nissan went through hell before Ghosn stepped in with Renault. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 01:51 PM |
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Sweet car. |
slutticus |
Oct-17-08 02:24 PM |
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Back in July |
wiboy |
Oct-17-08 02:25 PM |
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Yep. |
ReadTomPaine |
Oct-17-08 02:31 PM |
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Only 2000 will be made (as of this time) and distributed via lottery |
DainBramaged |
Oct-17-08 06:02 PM |
#100 |