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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 03:51 AM
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33. I'll have to pass on that myself.
Diesel engines have too narrow a powerband and too low an RPM ceiling to make for good enthusiast driving in a proper sports car. They can be strong and satisfying, but not 'sporty' per se. For that, you need high RPM and flexibility.

I do think diesels are the future for many other segments however; from frugal economy cars to stump pulling trucks they are going to be a major force in the future of the US auto industry.
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  -GM puts next generation Corvette on hold ReadTomPaine  Oct-16-08 10:33 PM   #0 
  - Is that why Nat Geo Channel was showing the Corvette factory  csziggy   Oct-16-08 10:46 PM   #1 
  - No wonder I thought I saw Brock Yates big meaty head on in the background earlier this evening.. n/t  ReadTomPaine   Oct-16-08 10:58 PM   #9 
  - People with soul, that's who.  DainBramaged   Oct-16-08 11:34 PM   #17 
  - What's your take on the news, Dain?  ReadTomPaine   Oct-16-08 11:53 PM   #27 
     - We are in the last throws of the supercar renaissance  DainBramaged   Oct-17-08 04:08 AM   #36 
        - I think the Cobalt SS is the most underrated car made by GM...  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 04:16 AM   #43 
        - the Lotus Elite is an example of going light to obtain supercar status.  alfredo   Oct-17-08 12:30 PM   #65 
           - The Elise does a lot with 190 horsepower...  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 01:17 PM   #76 
           - The Corvette started off as an underpowered brick, in some peoples' eyes.  alfredo   Oct-17-08 01:58 PM   #78 
              - Don't forget Zora Arkus-Duntov...  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 02:06 PM   #81 
                 - So Zora was Mr Inside, and Fitch as the manager of the racing team was  alfredo   Oct-17-08 02:17 PM   #84 
           - The LS series V8s can be prodded into the Sky and Solstice  EOTE   Oct-17-08 02:01 PM   #79 
           - Mallet produces those V8 Solstice models..  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 02:04 PM   #80 
           - I have driven a new Solstice with the 260HP turbo motor  DainBramaged   Oct-17-08 07:51 PM   #102 
              - It must be nice. I walk onto the lot and the salesmen hide.  alfredo   Oct-17-08 11:46 PM   #103 
                 - LOL.. Have a bit of a local reputation as a hot foot? n/t  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 11:54 PM   #104 
                 - Mine is worse: a tightwad.  alfredo   Oct-17-08 11:56 PM   #105 
                 - I get to go to GM auctions, that is fun  DainBramaged   Oct-18-08 01:06 AM   #106 
                    - My sister in law works in the equine world. In that industry they get  alfredo   Oct-18-08 10:01 AM   #109 
                       - You bet, but a pretty Irish lass.... you didn't convince her to stay?  DainBramaged   Oct-18-08 10:56 AM   #110 
                          - She was gay, I'm married, she's young, I'm old.  alfredo   Oct-18-08 01:38 PM   #111 
                             - awwwwwwwwwww  DainBramaged   Oct-18-08 01:47 PM   #112 
                                - I'm liking some good American Ales  alfredo   Oct-18-08 01:58 PM   #113 
  - No one "needs" it but  JNelson6563   Oct-17-08 08:53 AM   #57 
  - GM's Existance as a Company is Under Review at Press Time  AndyTiedye   Oct-16-08 10:48 PM   #2 
  - They're dancing around the issue, but the new CAFE standards will likely mean a downsized 'Vette...  ReadTomPaine   Oct-16-08 10:54 PM   #6 
     - They get better fuel milage than alot of other high performance cars of its caliber  CRF450   Oct-16-08 11:00 PM   #10 
     - We've spoken about it before a few times. What's your take on the news?  ReadTomPaine   Oct-16-08 11:03 PM   #11 
        - Who knows...  CRF450   Oct-16-08 11:11 PM   #14 
           - Well the one thing they insist on is the fact they are keeping it alive...  ReadTomPaine   Oct-16-08 11:28 PM   #15 
              - I'd rather see a diesel v8 than anything smaller.  CRF450   Oct-17-08 01:54 AM   #31 
                 - I'll have to pass on that myself.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 03:51 AM   #33 
                    - Ah, you got a point their.  CRF450   Oct-17-08 04:36 AM   #46 
                    - The faster they bring new diesel technology to the truck and economy segments, the better.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 04:41 AM   #49 
                    - my stepfather has a s10  bobbydem   Oct-18-08 02:25 PM   #115 
                    - Audi has been dominating sports car racing with turbo diesels.  HooptieWagon   Oct-17-08 08:58 AM   #58 
                       - Ironically, not everything that makes for a successful race car make for a satisfying sports car...  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 11:41 AM   #60 
                          - Audi's V12 TDI is a remarkable engine.  EOTE   Oct-17-08 02:09 PM   #82 
                             - Well I'd take a hearty diesel over a weak gasoline engine as well..  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 02:21 PM   #85 
                                - But the 2.0 has an additional 25 hp.  EOTE   Oct-17-08 02:39 PM   #91 
                                   - As you indicate, it's the entire graph, not just the peak.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 02:55 PM   #93 
                                      - I still have to disagree.  EOTE   Oct-17-08 03:11 PM   #97 
                                         - It will be an excellent test case. Should be fun to watch.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 03:15 PM   #99 
     - How About a 'Vette Hybrid?  AndyTiedye   Oct-16-08 11:29 PM   #16 
     - Yep, see downthread a bit although I would consider it a longshot.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-16-08 11:42 PM   #23 
     - Ain't never going to happen  DainBramaged   Oct-17-08 04:09 AM   #37 
        - Why Not?  AndyTiedye   Oct-17-08 12:38 PM   #66 
           - Way too heavy, stops owners from working on the car (A BIG deal with owners)  DainBramaged   Oct-17-08 07:46 PM   #101 
     - Only one model tops 100k as far as I know. And that's the ZR1.  EOTE   Oct-17-08 02:16 PM   #83 
     - I don't think it's in the character of the Corvette or Chevy to push that high..  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 02:22 PM   #86 
     - yep  bobbydem   Oct-18-08 02:16 PM   #114 
  - There is talk of a merger with Ford or Chrysler  wtmusic   Oct-16-08 10:48 PM   #3 
  - Mostly Chrysler...  ReadTomPaine   Oct-16-08 10:57 PM   #7 
  - Perhaps the little penis crowd is short of $$ lately  liberaltrucker   Oct-16-08 10:49 PM   #4 
  - I take pitty with what you say  CRF450   Oct-16-08 10:57 PM   #8 
  - 50% of the Vettes sold in the Northeast are sold to women  DainBramaged   Oct-16-08 11:37 PM   #18 
  - well...most of them aren't exactly known for their large penises, are they?  QuestionAll   Oct-16-08 11:42 PM   #21 
  - Only a few  JVS   Oct-17-08 04:14 AM   #40 
  - I always found the old C4 to be a very feminine car overall. That doesn't surprise me.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-16-08 11:55 PM   #28 
     - And six-speeds are no longer the majority transmission  DainBramaged   Oct-17-08 03:59 AM   #35 
        - Sequentials are interesting but just not as flexible as a real stick.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 04:15 AM   #41 
  - I thought that the "little penis crowd" tended to buy Porsches.  SurferBoy   Oct-17-08 04:39 AM   #47 
  - Oh Damn!!  madmax   Oct-16-08 10:51 PM   #5 
  - I'm waiting for the hybrid model  ironflange   Oct-16-08 11:05 PM   #12 
     - Don't laugh, Lexus actually builds a hybrid luxury sports sedan..  ReadTomPaine   Oct-16-08 11:10 PM   #13 
        - Tesla is in serious trouble, there is one thing associated with horsepower  DainBramaged   Oct-16-08 11:39 PM   #19 
           - Yes every review I've read about that car cites its lack of sound to be a liability.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-16-08 11:44 PM   #24 
           - Why not just pump a simulation through the sound system?  riverdeep   Oct-17-08 07:08 AM   #54 
              - That's already being considered actually...  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 11:50 AM   #61 
                 - Yeah, I can understand that.  riverdeep   Oct-18-08 01:40 AM   #107 
                    - Good analogy.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-18-08 01:49 AM   #108 
           - So Whadyathink About a Hybrid 'Vette?  AndyTiedye   Oct-17-08 12:15 AM   #29 
              - Ain't never going to happen  DainBramaged   Oct-17-08 04:10 AM   #38 
  - well...when they've got to compete with the likes of THIS...whaddya expect them to do...?  QuestionAll   Oct-16-08 11:40 PM   #20 
  - Other than the gearbox, it's a great car. I wish it weren't so pricy...  ReadTomPaine   Oct-16-08 11:49 PM   #26 
  - Tesla Motors hits the brakes amid credit crisis  Book Lover   Oct-17-08 02:18 AM   #32 
  - This is depressing news.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 03:53 AM   #34 
  - (sigh) so many experts, so little time........  DainBramaged   Oct-17-08 04:21 AM   #44 
  - A stock Vette outperforms the Tesla in just about every criteria.  EOTE   Oct-17-08 02:32 PM   #90 
  - MOPAR RULES!  Swamp Rat   Oct-16-08 11:42 PM   #22 
  - Love 'em. But they are rich boys cars now. How ironic, eh? n/t  ReadTomPaine   Oct-16-08 11:45 PM   #25 
  - Here's an example: "CNN - 1971 Plymouth sells cheap for $2.5 million"  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 12:16 AM   #30 
  - Uh, no  DainBramaged   Oct-17-08 04:13 AM   #39 
     - The Mopars did hang on for a few years after the party was over at GM & Ford...  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 04:24 AM   #45 
     - I can't count the number of Camaros I spanked  snooper2   Oct-17-08 09:56 AM   #59 
     - And the Shelby GLHS spanked Porsches and Corvettes  Swamp Rat   Oct-17-08 12:59 PM   #71 
        - Ahhh someone who remembers those cool little cars..  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 01:02 PM   #72 
        - It was one, BADASS hatchback!  Swamp Rat   Oct-17-08 01:12 PM   #74 
        - THANK YOU  bobbydem   Oct-18-08 02:34 PM   #116 
     - Camaros and Chevelles can never be as good as Hemi Cudas.  Swamp Rat   Oct-17-08 12:53 PM   #68 
     - I don't think so, from a professional point of view  DainBramaged   Oct-17-08 01:14 PM   #75 
     - The 1970 Chevelle SS 454 LS6 is my dream ride.  EOTE   Oct-17-08 02:44 PM   #92 
  - A wise decision. Putting a bunch of money into a halo car probably isn't the way to go right now.  JVS   Oct-17-08 04:16 AM   #42 
  - Hard to argue with that, esp since they have committed to keeping it alive.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 04:39 AM   #48 
     - Do CAFE standards apply on the basis of brand or corporation?  JVS   Oct-17-08 04:44 AM   #50 
        - Here are some relevant citations:  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 04:49 AM   #51 
  - the should make it a hybrid, but then again they are already out of reach for most of us  carlyhippy   Oct-17-08 06:47 AM   #52 
  - There is a word in the dictionary, it sort of gives new meaning to the word individual  DainBramaged   Oct-17-08 07:05 AM   #53 
  - The Corvette has outgrown its market. Only the base model makes sense anymore.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 12:09 PM   #63 
  - Good. Environmentallly irresponsible cars like that need to go.  alarimer   Oct-17-08 07:34 AM   #55 
  - "But what will guys in a mid-life crisis do now?"  DainBramaged   Oct-17-08 12:15 PM   #64 
  - Considering that the C6 gets 30mpg in town, that won't be a problem.  EOTE   Oct-17-08 02:56 PM   #94 
     - In town?? They only get that on the highway.  CRF450   Oct-17-08 03:03 PM   #95 
     - Sorry, a bit of a mis-type there.  EOTE   Oct-17-08 03:12 PM   #98 
     - 30 is the highway number with a very light foot. Most will see around 18 city/28hwy  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 03:09 PM   #96 
  - luckily the C6 is more than good enough to last a few more model years  Blue_Tires   Oct-17-08 08:17 AM   #56 
  - Yes, fortunately the C6 is a pretty nice car as it is.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 11:53 AM   #62 
     - they are waiting to see where the wind blows  Blue_Tires   Oct-17-08 12:48 PM   #67 
        - I'd say those observations are pretty much on target. n/t  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 01:03 PM   #73 
  - The ZR1 will hold the hype for a few years.  flvegan   Oct-17-08 12:53 PM   #69 
  - Meanwhile, Nissan can't make enough GT-Rs  DS1   Oct-17-08 12:58 PM   #70 
  - Nissan went through hell before Ghosn stepped in with Renault.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 01:51 PM   #77 
  - Sweet car.  slutticus   Oct-17-08 02:24 PM   #87 
  - Back in July  wiboy   Oct-17-08 02:25 PM   #88 
     - Yep.  ReadTomPaine   Oct-17-08 02:31 PM   #89 
     - Only 2000 will be made (as of this time) and distributed via lottery  DainBramaged   Oct-17-08 06:02 PM   #100 

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